Eric Dier

[sigurdl]

Trolls ought to be confronted. Dier has shown himself a good role model. In fact, the guy is a hero. All of this should hopefully 1. inject courage in some of those that silently condone this kind of stuff. 2. make the trolls think twice. 3. Raise the debate about the kind of behaviour he reacted to.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Nah don’t move on, these discussions and different opinions are healthy if can be done in a respectful manner.

I just couldn’t ignore that level of abuse, no matter what I did for a living.

I guess it’s ingrained in me.

may son plays academy football, as a keeper - I find it difficult to contain emotions when I hear groans about him letting a goal in, or levels of negativity from parents, players, supporters - so I take myself away from the others, pains me to see him have to deal with it.
Incidentally, he has his referee’s course in a few weeks, so no doubt I’ll be watching him and even more people and trying my hardest to keep schdum when he will get abused - I guess that’s the crux of my issue, abuse and those that feel they have the right to abuse people - I don’t like it and cannot sit by and listen.
I have no doubt that Dier’s brother was involved in a spat, and I absolutely have no doubts that this was in retaliation of abuse directed towards him, his brother and possibly family.

I also know that when being held back from helping a family member in those situations it only makes people angrier - once he got hold of his brother, he dragged him away.

The thing is in everyday life that’s fine to protect but in the environment Eric is in its not hence the incoming ban imagine.

Players and families are told not to get involved and obviously his brother decided he couldn’t ignore it and made a situation where Eric would’ve just walked off to blowing it out into this.

Should the “fan” in question be giving it to Eric In a ideal world no he’s come on here and let frustrations out but it’s not a ideal world and he let Eric know he weren’t happy ( being kind here ).

I wish your son good luck on his course and reffing career.
You might need to stay In the car though otherwise you’ll be in a fight every week ?

 

[Shanks]

The thing is in everyday life that’s fine to protect but in the environment Eric is in its not hence the incoming ban imagine.

Players and families are told not to get involved and obviously his brother decided he couldn’t ignore it and made a situation where Eric would’ve just walked off to blowing it out into this.

Should the “fan” in question be giving it to Eric In a ideal world no he’s come on here and let frustrations out but it’s not a ideal world and he let Eric know he weren’t happy ( being kind here ).

I wish your son good luck on his course and reffing career.
You might need to stay In the car though otherwise you’ll be in a fight every week ?

Tbf most people don’t say too much when I’m there as I’m on the larger side ?
Yep, probably a ban incoming, rules are rules - I can understand why he did it, and I’ve no problem with what he did.

 

[nailsy]

His brother caused it. I’d be fuming with my brother for getting involved ??

What do you mean his brother caused it? Have there been any reports that his brother started on this guy?

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

What do you mean his brother caused it? Have there been any reports that his brother started on this guy?

“Quite simply, Patrick was not prepared to remain silent. And who could blame him? He became embroiled in an argument with the man”

that’s from the guardian and others report similar.

The “fan” was giving Eric abuse and his brother confronted the man and seems escalated the situation.

Obviously the fan started the situation in terms of shouting at Eric.

 

[Shadydan]

“Quite simply, Patrick was not prepared to remain silent. And who could blame him? He became embroiled in an argument with the man”

that’s from the guardian and others report similar.

The “fan” was giving Eric abuse and his brother confronted the man and seems escalated the situation.

Obviously the fan started the situation in terms of shouting at Eric.

Right so he didn't cause it then...

And even if he did whether Eric Dier knew that is irrelevant, he'a hardly going to wait and find out who caused the incident before deciding to jump in, if your family member is in trouble why does it matter whether he started it or not, your first instinct is to protect.

As I said so so far detached from reality.

Again as I said this is just typical OTT nonsense from people sitting firmly on their soap boxes playing judge and jury on others despite never being in that situation themselves.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Right so he didn't cause it then...

And even if he did whether Eric Dier knew that is irrelevant, he'a hardly going to wait and find out who caused the incident before deciding to jump in, if your family member is in trouble why does it matter whether he started it or not, your first instinct is to protect.

As I said so so far detached from reality.

Again as I said this is just typical OTT nonsense from people sitting firmly on their soap boxes playing judge and jury on others despite never being in that situation themselves.

The reality is Eric done wrong, He knows it, Jose said it and imagine he’ll be punished for it.

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[sigurdl]

The reality is Eric done wrong, He knows it, Jose said it and imagine he’ll be punished for it.

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Dier may have broken a rule, and he may be punished for it. However, he did nothing wrong.

 

[Timberwolf]

In a moral sense the majority of us are with him. It was a natural human reaction to a horrible thing.

However, the league can't be seen to condone this type of behaviour so obviously he'll get punished. Pretty straightforward, really.

You'd hope they don't make an example of him and take the circumstances into account (i.e. he didn't actually hurt anyone and was defending a family member).

I'd say a 4-6 match ban would be fair.

 

[McFlash]

I think some people don’t understand how protective even reasonable people get over their younger siblings. I’d consider myself to be a very well behaved individual but god forbid if anyone was to threaten my younger siblings my anger would know no bounds.

Not just younger siblings. My big sister got bullied on her last day of school and despite me being in the second year (yes, it was a long time ago), my anger and protectiveness kicked in and I launched into a volley of abuse at this gang of 5th year kids.
To be honest, they could have just laughed at me, or filled me in but because I was protecting my sister, I didn't even think.
They were obviously quite surprised by the aggression shown by this little, normally quiet kid and so, backed off.

I still feel proud about that moment in Purley, some 30 odd years later.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Dier confrontation a reminder that football can make c***s of us all - Football365

Eric Dier was wrong, but he did also remind us that football can’t half turn us all into c***s.

www.football365.com

 

[Shadydan]

The reality is Eric done wrong, He knows it, Jose said it and imagine he’ll be punished for it.

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Jose said

I think Eric did what we as professionals cannot do but in these circumstances, I think everyone of us would do.

What do you actually think he meant by that, it means he knew it was wrong but he understands why he did it.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Jose said



What do you actually think he meant by that, it means he knew it was wrong but he understands why he did it.

Exactly

 

[Shadydan]

Exactly

What are you actually arguing then? You're implying that you don't understand why he did it yet what you're agreeing with totally contradicts your argument.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I had to disagree with this view entirely.

He hasn’t lost his head, if anything kept it calm, all video footage shows him going up, grabbing his brother, shouting over the noise and getting him out of the place.

Whether it’s my brother, son, dad, mother - I’m never walking by knowing they were in some kind of altercation, regardless of job, location or my own safety.

it’s just how I’ve been brought up, family first.

he absolutely did the right thing by going up there and getting his brother out of that situation.

to say he let people down is just plain wrong.

do you have brothers, or close family?

could you sit there and listen to them get abused?

I couldn’t and won’t.

funnily enough I deal with this on a level, so I probably understand the frustration a little more how frustrating it can be watching a family member play football and the reaction of fans, both sides have towards said family member.

must hard to hear - currently I take myself away from those situations , sometimes in a stadium environment you can’t. It ain’t nice hearing reasonably negative stuff about your family imduring a football match, let alone horribly negative stuff let alone plain abuse.

Not sure who I’d be more frightened of charging up the stands at me like a hungry lion, Dier or you...

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

What are you actually arguing then? You're implying that you don't understand why he did it yet what you're agreeing with totally contradicts your argument.

Im not arguing anything, you replied to my original comment.

My point as made clear in my posts are as a professional and a Tottenham employee he was wrong as was his brother for confronting the fan shouting at Dier. Players & Family members are told when getting tickets not to get involved.

On a emotive every day life situation I understand why Eric done it but that doesn’t change he was wrong.

Anyway enough from me now.

 

[sigurdl]

Im not arguing anything, you replied to my original comment.

My point as made clear in my posts are as a professional and a Tottenham employee he was wrong as was his brother for confronting the fan shouting at Dier. Players & Family members are told when getting tickets not to get involved.

On a emotive every day life situation I understand why Eric done it but that doesn’t change he was wrong.

Anyway enough from me now.

Saying that it was wrong implies not only that it was against the rules. It also implies that he should not have done it. But saying that as an employee he should not have done it, does not show that he should not have done it all things considered. Because he is not only an employee, he is also a human being and a brother.

Same goes for his brother. Sure, as someone who has been told not to get involved, he should not get involved. However, Eric's brother is not only someone who has been told not to get involved.

All things considered, both did the right thing.

 

[Shadydan]

Im not arguing anything, you replied to my original comment.

My point as made clear in my posts are as a professional and a Tottenham employee he was wrong as was his brother for confronting the fan shouting at Dier. Players & Family members are told when getting tickets not to get involved.

On a emotive every day life situation I understand why Eric done it but that doesn’t change he was wrong.

Anyway enough from me now.

Read back and have a look at the implication of your posts mate

 

[Nebby]

Personally I'd give him a medal. Give his brother one too.

I hope the fan is identified and banned for life.

 

[allatsea]

Right so he didn't cause it then...

And even if he did whether Eric Dier knew that is irrelevant, he'a hardly going to wait and find out who caused the incident before deciding to jump in, if your family member is in trouble why does it matter whether he started it or not, your first instinct is to protect.

As I said so so far detached from reality.

Again as I said this is just typical OTT nonsense from people sitting firmly on their soap boxes playing judge and jury on others despite never being in that situation themselves.

I blame the internet for a lot of these idiots.