Harry Kane

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 13, 2024

Had a couple of random thoughts today:

1. Bayern have won 23 trophies in the last 10 years - on track for 0 the season after bringing Kane in.

2. I suspect we are losing out on add-ons because Bayern are going trophy-less this season...

elfy · Feb 13, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Had a couple of random thoughts today:

1. Bayern have won 23 trophies in the last 10 years - on track for 0 the season after bringing Kane in.

2. I suspect we are losing out on add-ons because Bayern are going trophy-less this season...

True, but the devil in me finds it VERY funny he left for guaranteed silverware and is very likely to end the season empty handed.

I am a small, petty, bitter man - I know, but the longer he goes without a trophy the funnier I find it and well worth losing out on a few million quid

thelak · Feb 13, 2024

Led's Zeppelin said:
Johan Cruyff would be an exception but I also agree, very few exceptional players make exceptional managers.

And I suppose it’s not surprising. Why should they? There’s not much correlation between the physical skills needed to be a top player and the managerial skills needed to be a top manager.

But I do suspect Harry would make a decent manager. But I don’t think he has that spark that would put him at the top.

After seeing his team talks in the Amazon doc not sure how anyone could think Harry would make a decent manager

“lads it’s Christmas”

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 13, 2024

elfy said:
True, but the devil in me finds it VERY funny he left for guaranteed silverware and is very likely to end the season empty handed.

I am a small, petty, bitter man - I know, but the longer he goes without a trophy the funnier I find it and well worth losing out on a few million quid

I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

McFlash · Feb 13, 2024

elfy said:
True, but the devil in me finds it VERY funny he left for guaranteed silverware and is very likely to end the season empty handed.

I am a small, petty, bitter man - I know, but the longer he goes without a trophy the funnier I find it and well worth losing out on a few million quid

I too am a small, petty and bitter man then because I'm also finding it rather amusing.

rossdapep · Feb 13, 2024

McFlash said:
We gave Kane too much, to try to keep him here and happy and it turned out detrimental to the club.
Levy said that he'd listened to the voices when it came to hiring a "win now" manager with both Jose and Conte and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kane was one of the loudest (along with us as fans of course).

I think we pandered far too much to try to keep Kane happy. From playing him all the time, even when not properly fit like the CL final, to listening to what he wanted manager wise.

Then he fucked off anyway so it was all for nothing.
Hope we've learnt our lesson there.

Not for one moment suggesting Kane is a selfish player or disruptive but if you allow one player to get onto a pedestal it upsets the whole balance of the team.

I don't think Harry downed tools (apart from when he tried to move to City), however, it was clear to me he was on a bit of a one-man mission toward the end. It probably helped us in that period as he was the only one making a difference.

But I believe he had checked out of Tottenham a while back and put his goal-scoring records as his priority.

There isn't much wrong with that as long as the rest of the team is firing or a really strong group.

Except we weren't and we needed new shoots to come through. I think Harry, or more accurately trying to keep him happy, was preventing that.

Lloris, Toby, Dier, Rose, Sissoko, Winks, Vertonghen, Lucas, Aurier - all of these players left the club well past their best or just in a state of indifference.

Got to be hard to keep a positive spirit about the club when you see players around you, who were once huge elements, just lose energy for the cause but still hang around longer than they should have.

McFlash · Feb 13, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

Nobody deserves anything.

rossdapep · Feb 13, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

Saw a YT clip pop up earlier of a Spurs' girl on a podcast saying finds it karma him leaving and not winning anything.

I think it is pathetic.

A lot of us were close to checking out on this team under Levy in the last few years and hope was incredibly low.

A footballer's career is really short and Kane has only a few years left, he gave us 20 years of his life.

He was one of the last to have left from the Poch group so it is not like he wanted to leave as soon as he got interest from elsewhere, he only wanted to leave when it was obvious we were in a real downward spiral.

McFlash · Feb 13, 2024

rossdapep said:
Not for one moment suggesting Kane is a selfish player or disruptive but if you allow one player to get onto a pedestal it upsets the whole balance of the team.

I don't think Harry downed tools (apart from when he tried to move to City), however, it was clear to me he was on a bit of a one-man mission toward the end. It probably helped us in that period as he was the only one making a difference.

But I believe he had checked out of Tottenham a while back and put his goal-scoring records as his priority.

There isn't much wrong with that as long as the rest of the team is firing or a really strong group.

Except we weren't and we needed new shoots to come through. I think Harry, or more accurately trying to keep him happy, was preventing that.

Lloris, Toby, Dier, Rose, Sissoko, Winks, Vertonghen, Lucas, Aurier - all of these players left the club well past their best or just in a state of indifference.

Got to be hard to keep a positive spirit about the club when you see players around you, who were once huge elements, just lose energy for the cause but still hang around longer than they should have.

Maybe Pep was right when he called us the Harry Kane team because everything was focused on him for far too long.
The noise every season about how he should leave to win things and all the distraction that came with it.

He was a big fish but we're not actually a small pond and I think it was best for all concerned that he moved on.
I wanted him to stay but on reflection, I think he needed to leave for both himself and for us.

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 13, 2024

McFlash said:
Nobody deserves anything.

What does that even mean?

Typical Spurs · Feb 13, 2024

If he wins trophies then great.

If he doesn't then great.

Honestly could not give a shit. Spurs legend whatever happens but he's an ex-player and I hardly ever think about him.

But we're all different.

Chinaspur · Feb 13, 2024

I think it’s possible to be sad for him, because he gave his best years to us and many incredible memories and deserves to be talked about as a generational talent, and also find it funny. Tragi-comedy is often the best.

dontcallme · Feb 13, 2024

Chinaspur said:
I think it’s possible to be sad for him, because he gave his best years to us and many incredible memories and deserves to be talked about as a generational talent, and also find it funny. Tragi-comedy is often the best.

He's England's top ever scorer, he's our top ever goalscorer and has broken goalscoring records in his first season in Germany.

He doesn't need trophies to be a generational talent.

McFlash · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
What does that even mean?

That I hate the saying "he deserves to win something" because it's bollocks.

Kane had more than enough chances to win something with us and plenty of very good players finish their careers without a trophy which doesn't mean that they weren't great players.

Like, it would be nice for Sonny to win something with us but I wouldn't say he deserves it because...nobody deserves anything.

I didn't think it was a complicated thing to say?

wakefieldyid · Feb 14, 2024

rossdapep said:
Saw a YT clip pop up earlier of a Spurs' girl on a podcast saying finds it karma him leaving and not winning anything.

I think it is pathetic.

A lot of us were close to checking out on this team under Levy in the last few years and hope was incredibly low.

A footballer's career is really short and Kane has only a few years left, he gave us 20 years of his life.

He was one of the last to have left from the Poch group so it is not like he wanted to leave as soon as he got interest from elsewhere, he only wanted to leave when it was obvious we were in a real downward spiral.

... and by engineering the move to Bayern, rather than running down his contract, he ensured that Spurs received the money they needed to underwrite the current team rebuild.

1882andallthat · Feb 14, 2024

I'm English, and the only trophies I want him to win whilst he's not at Spurs is for England.

I don't like seeing the same team win their league over and over again which is why I don't want Bayern Munich to win yet another Domestic League title There is a slight caveat to that though in that I don't want Liverpool or Arsenal winning the PL title so if it has to be Man City again this season so be it, unless it was us in the running.

There is another caveat, if Bayern met Arsenal in CL final this season I definitely want Kane to bag a winners medal in the CL final, and I'd even go one better than that and say that I'd want him to win the softest of soft penalties that went through a 5 minute VAR check and then net that controversial last minute penalty and see Legohead and AFTV explode with sore loser rage ....

Spursmatty87 · Feb 14, 2024

Kane will we the league their next season so personally I don’t see the harm of us, enjoying his trophy drought for another season.

I mean surely everyone can see the funny side of him getting a transfer completed in the night so he could a trophy the next day only for them to lose and then going out of the cup to a 3rd division team. So wrapping that up by losing the league(although Bayern probably still win it) to a team that get mocked as much a spurs for their trophy misses would be hilarious.

Styopa · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

rossdapep said:
Saw a YT clip pop up earlier of a Spurs' girl on a podcast saying finds it karma him leaving and not winning anything.

I think it is pathetic.

A lot of us were close to checking out on this team under Levy in the last few years and hope was incredibly low.

A footballer's career is really short and Kane has only a few years left, he gave us 20 years of his life.

He was one of the last to have left from the Poch group so it is not like he wanted to leave as soon as he got interest from elsewhere, he only wanted to leave when it was obvious we were in a real downward spiral.

I think you can both understand his decision to leave and not resent him for it, and find it funny if he doesn’t win anything with Munich this season.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. If Kane doesn’t win anything with Munich this season it just is funny, no karma or anything needed.

Bayern Munich win the league nearly every season. So Kane (who notoriously has never won a trophy) leaving to join a club who were dead certs to win a trophy, but not doing so this season, just is funny.

kungfujoe98 · Feb 14, 2024

Kane, despite being the best English striker since at least Greaves, doesn’t deserve to win trophies. And that’s simply because football’s a team sport and trophies are won by teams.

Being part of a team that’s good enough to get over the line and win a trophy usually requires you to be a very good player, but there are loads of good and great players who hardly got a sniff of one, and plenty of examples of relatively ordinary players who were part of trophy-winning teams.

Personally, I think if Harry had employed an actual agent, he’d have ended up at Man City and won the lot and it would have felt weird, but I’d have shrugged and largely ignored it. I’ll find it amusing if he wins nothing at Bayern this season. But they’ll win something the season after or after that and fair play to him if he’s part of it. Unless he comes back to Spurs (which I don’t see happening), the only Kane trophy that I’ll really feel anything about is if he’s able to lift something in an England shirt.

Trix · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

He doesn't "deserve" anything. He has to go out and take them. The true elite drag their teams to trophies even when they aren't playing well. Thus far Harry does the opposite when on the biggest stage and with the trophy in sight.

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