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allatsea

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Some have a concern about Vic but how about the Liverpool goalie who let one shot go through his legs for the winning goal for Arsenal and another he jumped over. Very poor goalkeeping.
 

luRRka

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I just feel the reason he is being targeted is because he doesn’t punch or catch the ball and regularly ends up palming it back into the six yard box.

I’m just asking myself why teams are doing this to us and being successful whilst pretty much every other goalkeeper seems to be able to cope.

He looked way more proactive in the second half and caught a lot of the balls and it made a difference IMO.
Because in the 2nd half they had 3 corners and didn't put a man fouling Vic. They left him to it. That's why he caught the ball
 

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It was a foul, 100%. It's very hard to "be stronger " when you are reaching up and someone pushes lower on the torso like he did.

Next time we meed to just stick a player in between the two to protect Vic
 

Ribble

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It was a foul, 100%. It's very hard to "be stronger " when you are reaching up and someone pushes lower on the torso like he did.

Next time we meed to just stick a player in between the two to protect Vic

I think we should adopt the tactic on corners but against every opposition player. If it's not a foul on the 'keeper then that's perfectly fine, right?

The FA would be rewriting the rules before the final whistle was blown to expressly prohibit it.
 

DogsOfWar

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The player on Vic is not trying to win the ball, he's just pushing into him to try to obstruct him so it is basically a foul.
These have always been given so I'm a bit baffled as to why refs have stopped giving them against us.

However, it is also worth pointing out that Everton still managed two headers in the six yard to score so the defence is also culpable.
 

Yantino

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It seems common place nowadays that it is going to be totally dependent on who the ref is each week and what mood they are in.

One week they are fouls, the next week they aren't. So who knows. No blame or concern with Vicario IMO, player of the season so far.
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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My question for all those “Vic needs to be stronger” folks: What exactly would you have him do?

If he shoves Harrison away with any actual force, he risks giving away a penalty.

IMHO there needs to be clarity on the rules. How “entitled” is a keeper to come claim a ball that is well within reach? If the answer is “not at all,” then to what lengths can the keeper go to get the ball when being impeded by an opposing player WHO HAS NO INTENTION OF PLAYING THE BALL!?!”
Create spqce for himself, to be fsir though, this one is more about being blocked off his movement, i cant post videos from my phome because id show you exactly how to deal with it to create space
 

mil1lion

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I just feel the reason he is being targeted is because he doesn’t punch or catch the ball and regularly ends up palming it back into the six yard box.

I’m just asking myself why teams are doing this to us and being successful whilst pretty much every other goalkeeper seems to be able to cope.

He looked way more proactive in the second half and caught a lot of the balls and it made a difference IMO.
The ones he caught 2nd half were all far post and he was able to travel back to catch. After the goal the ref strangely started to give fouls so I think it may be why Everton stopped impeding him 2nd half.
 

ernie78

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I think we should adopt the tactic on corners but against every opposition player. If it's not a foul on the 'keeper then that's perfectly fine, right?

The FA would be rewriting the rules before the final whistle was blown to expressly prohibit it.
I did t understand why we didn’t do it on our very next corner. Highlight the hypocrisy and inconsistency
 

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IfiHadTheWings

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It is actually obstruction when you shepherd the ball out - if you are not in position to play the ball.

Per the laws of the game:

IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT

Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.

All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.

A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.



The above would be an indirect kick - note that the players can line-up around the keeper, and as long as they don't move - that is not impeding, but if they move with the keeper - that should be an indirect free kick.

The below is defined as a direct kick:
  • impedes an opponent with contact
How would you shield the ball without using your body or arms?

seems a bit redundant
 

Shanks

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I am sure refs would change their opinion on that had they been GKs
I do agree with this, but also can see why it wasnt given as well.

Still maintain the keeper has to do more and i bet you thst without a doubt he'll be working on exactly that in training this week
 

easley91

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For years there was a protection (some might say an over protection) on keepers and now suddenly without any explanation there isn't. A season or two ago, or even at the start of the season that would be a foul.
 

Styopa

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I still feel like this is something that we are more inclined to see as a foul because it has affected us negatively in a couple of matches and could do so again going forward.

I wonder if it was a one off incident that had gone in our favour (as in this issue had never arisen with Vicario but instead Richy had done something similar at the other end leading to a goal for us) whether we would so convinced it was a foul?

I have to admit when I watched it in real time I didn’t think it was a foul. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong about that though and a lot of knowledgeable people on here do believe it is a foul - people that seem to be more knowledgeable about the current rules than I am. But by the same token you have some ex-refs saying it’s not.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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Nathan A Clark from the Extra Inch discussing other premier league teams using this tactic, and how it has has been a core part of Arsenal's set pieces all season:

 

JoaoPereira

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For years there was a protection (some might say an over protection) on keepers and now suddenly without any explanation there isn't. A season or two ago, or even at the start of the season that would be a foul.
there still is but certainly not to the same degree. the other day Onana nearly decapitated a Wolves player and got away with it.
 

easley91

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there still is but certainly not to the same degree. the other day Onana nearly decapitated a Wolves player and got away with it.
I'm talking strictly fouls on the keepers, not fouls by keepers. Last season slightly backing into a keeper for a goal would be deemed a foul. I don't remember anyone coming out saying they would be more lenient about it, they just started doing it randomly one day.
 
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