Harry Kane

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 27, 2023

Joshua shepherd said:
How many were better than Kane?

Lewendoski and Ronaldo for certain. Bonucci probably - albeit harder to evaluate different positions.

But, the reality is, players worth is not determined by what they have done, but what they are likely to do in the future.

Once players reach 30 - it's a risky call to expect high levels of performance from any player. Could Kane be one of those players who plays at a high level into his mid-30s? Sure. But, he also might be like most 30 yo players, and starts to regress. Its not easy to say one way or the other.

The evidence says he will regress, but every rule has its exceptions, and Kane could be one.

mil1lion · Jul 27, 2023

It doesn't matter about history. It's about what he's worth in this current market and what he's worth to us. He's a 100m player at the very least.

DannyNZ · Jul 27, 2023

Looks like Kane wants Bayern and I’m 100% confident that Levy will not want Kane to leave on a free transfer. This looks like a dance to squeeze the last euro out of Bayern. Never a thought to the disruption and chaos Levy leaves behind with his obsession to extract that last drop of blood no matter the consequences.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 27, 2023

mil1lion said:
It doesn't matter about history. It's about what he's worth in this current market and what he's worth to us. He's a 100m player at the very least.

He is only worth what a willing buyer will pay in this market. We would be very fortunate to get £86M for a 30yo player in the last year of his contract.

His worth to us is really much lower than what Bayern have already offered - if you assume he won't ever sign a new deal. Making CL is worth, on average, about £60M - but in reality it's lower, as that figure assumes a decent run in the knock-out stage. And, that figure assumes that Kane alone can lead us to CL - when history tells us that is not true.

FloridaSpur · Jul 27, 2023

SHAMON said:
Been reading this thread for a while now.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the way I see it is:
Kane is holding all the cards. Why would he leave now when he could have his pick of clubs in a year with a massive signing on fee + wages
We’re better off with Kane than without. Whether Richarlison is a good fit for Ange's style of football or not, Kane has shown himself to score goals in a great team and a shit team (both Spurs)
As a fan I’d rather keep him for a year longer and possibly persuade him to stay.
As for the transfer fee… it’s not my money and I couldn’t care less about Levy’s bonus or paying off the stadium.
And breathe…

"We’re better off with Kane than without"

We will not be "better off with Kane than without" if we keep him and he goes on a free next season.

Turning down say, eighty million now, or nothing next season would make any Chairman at any club facing the same option look plain daft.

If the club cannot get Kane to sign another contract (and this seems unlikely) then his intention is to leave.

The end of the day Kane perhaps has three more seasons (injury free) playing in a top European league. With the money that the club could generate from his sale, it could potentially give us the financial funds to secure two or three quality players good for the next decade.

Top player, has been loyal, appears to be calm about the situation not causing trouble, and no one should begrudge him of his decision to leave.

It really is a no brainer, and it will be some time until any player at Spurs approaches a transfer interest offer approaching eighty odd million.

mil1lion · Jul 27, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
He is only worth what a willing buyer will pay in this market. We would be very fortunate to get £86M for a 30yo player in the last year of his contract.

His worth to us is really much lower than what Bayern have already offered - if you assume he won't ever sign a new deal. Making CL is worth, on average, about £60M - but in reality it's lower, as that figure assumes a decent run in the knock-out stage. And, that figure assumes that Kane alone can lead us to CL - when history tells us that is not true.

It's far more than that. Commercial value, player profile, shirt sales, sponsors, England captain. There's a lot to factor in. He's worth more to us than Bayern are offering for me. Its not up to us to sell him, we don't want or need to sell him. It's up to them to pay more to get our best player.

Albertbarich · Jul 27, 2023

Don't forget Bayern are also in a bit of a hole themselves.

They have made so much noise about Kane they can't really afford not get him now or they totally lose face.

They have put themselves into a corner where it gives us power we shouldn't have. Especially as whilst we can't really afford to lose him for free , they also must know that their chances of getting him hugely decrease if he does go for free as he will likely have his choice of any club in the world.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 27, 2023

mil1lion said:
It's far more than that. Commercial value, player profile, shirt sales, sponsors, England captain. There's a lot to factor in. He's worth more to us than Bayern are offering for me. Its not up to us to sell him, we don't want or need to sell him. It's up to them to pay more to get our best player.

He has no more commercial value. Sponsors won't pay for players that won't be here, and the sponsors we already have - have already paid.

He literally is not worth more than what Bayern are offering.

And, we (being the club) probably do want, and need to sell him - given his stance of not signing a new deal.

The is no value to stubbornly holding on to sentiment.

If you can get Kane to sign an extension - then do it. If you cannot, we are not in a position to let that kind of value walk out of the club for free.

mil1lion · Jul 27, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
He has no more commercial value. Sponsors won't pay for players that won't be here, and the sponsors we already have - have already paid.

He literally is not worth more than what Bayern are offering.

And, we (being the club) probably do want, and need to sell him - given his stance of not signing a new deal.

The is no value to stubbornly holding on to sentiment.

If you can get Kane to sign an extension - then do it. If you cannot, we are not in a position to let that kind of value walk out of the club for free.

What sentiment? He's our best player, massively important to us and nobody has said he will not sign a new contract just not for now. We'll be keeping him because he's our MVP.
Even if it's just one more season he's worth more than 85m to us.
So if you had 105m and a choice to have say Rice between age 24-29 or Kane between age 30-35 which one do you spend on honestly?
The player who is already world class or the one with potential? Who is more likely to help win a Champions League, the one who never played in it or the one who has a great record in it? Who is more likely to win you games? We're talking about a player who just scored 30 league goals. If a young Mbappe is worth over 200m with 1 year left I fail to see how Kane is worth less than half. Especially given how well Lewandowski and Benzema are into their mid 30s and Kane is showing no signs of slowing down.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 27, 2023

mil1lion said:
Even if it's just one more season he's worth more than 85m to us.

He just isn't.

Kane for this season, assuming he starts to adjust to Ange's tactics - which is not a certainty - is not the difference in making CL. But, not selling Kane, and then not being able to adequately upgrade LCB - could be the difference.

But, even if you believe that the only way we qualify for CL is with Kane - that is worth about £60M. But then we would be out of luck next season, with no Kane, and needing to replace Son also.

Is that a worthwhile gamble?

£86M now v. a potential £60M next year (or maybe just £0 next year if we finish 8th with Kane again)?

Jody · Jul 27, 2023

mil1lion said:
Honestly if we get a suitable bid from PSG and he refuses to go he can't complain if we keep him. Bayern either match or he stays.

I don’t think he’ll be complaining either way tbh. It feels like he’s doing us a favour going this year for a fee so he has every right to choose his club.

mil1lion · Jul 27, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
He just isn't.

Kane for this season, assuming he starts to adjust to Ange's tactics - which is not a certainty - is not the difference in making CL. But, not selling Kane, and then not being able to adequately upgrade LCB - could be the difference.

But, even if you believe that the only way we qualify for CL is with Kane - that is worth about £60M. But then we would be out of luck next season, with no Kane, and needing to replace Son also.

Is that a worthwhile gamble?

£86M now v. a potential £60M next year (or maybe just £0 next year if we finish 8th with Kane again)?

Like I mentioned before you don't value a player on league position alone, there's a lot to factor in.
To say he's not the difference in making CL is ridiculous though. Our only world class player improves our chances massively.
End of the day he cost us nothing and we don't need to sell him , we have enough we just need to spend it.
If you're saying we have to sell Kane to get a LCB then there's a massive issue. Sign a quality LCB and keep Kane.
Now what are our chances? I mean we can do that no issue whatsoever, and we can let Kane go next year and still spend £100m.
Top 10 richest club in the wealthiest league in the world and we should sell our best player for less than 100m. Madness.

Aleks · Jul 27, 2023

I've had kenough of this transfer saga

Yiddo1982 · Jul 27, 2023

So the Bayern directors have sidestepped their tour to Asia to get the Kane deal done - yet Levy, who still has gaping holes in the squad, and about a dozen players to get off the books, went on the jolly with our players.

kent brockman · Jul 27, 2023

Albertbarich said:
Don't forget Bayern are also in a bit of a hole themselves.

They have made so much noise about Kane they can't really afford not get him now or they totally lose face.

They have put themselves into a corner where it gives us power we shouldn't have. Especially as whilst we can't really afford to lose him for free , they also must know that their chances of getting him hugely decrease if he does go for free as he will likely have his choice of any club in the world.

100%. Their chance to land H is now.

JerryGarcia · Jul 27, 2023

I want him to stay for life but at the same time I’m quite excited to enter a new era with the extra money hopefully being used to upgrade our defence. Hope he wins everything he can at Bayern and then comes back for a few seasons as a super sub, maybe adapting his game like Sheringham.

y1dk1d · Jul 27, 2023

Apparently Bayern are after Raya too who is still valued at £40M by Brentford. They surely can’t afford him and Kane. Walker links too. No idea how much he’ll cost but another big name and high wages.

FWIW if Raya is worth £40M then Kane is worth £100M+

Dave1882 · Jul 27, 2023

This thread gets worse by the hour. We’re no better with Kane and better off without him & the funds it brings, some of you really are deluded

Bosher · Jul 27, 2023

Isn't 86 mil just one more than we got for Bale? Could work out. Kane gets his move, Bayern get their man and RumpleStillSkint can say he got a club record fee for a 30 year old with a year on his contract, which is good for optics.

Johnny J · Jul 27, 2023

I can't imagine many situations at Spurs that would be as emotive for fans as the potential transfer of Harry Kane.

Quite naturally people will have strong emotions about this. But I don't think we should turn those emotions on each other with insults or ill-temper.

There's room for a range of different views on this and I think we should try to be civil with our fellow fans, even where we disagree.

We are a Spurs community, after all.

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