Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Trix · Jun 9, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Trust the Academy is the new Trust the Process

Easy saying "trust the academy" but the older age group is not great because the academy has been neglected for quite a while, and under who's watch may add.

When you constantly change the direction of the club by employing managers with completely different philosophies you end up with a fucked up squad full of mismatched players, again under who's watch.

This is just lip service imo because he knows the hardcore want to see more home grown players but the fact is that's not going to solve our problems in the short term. Only spending money will!

He's just trying to push the blame away from himself once more.

jbstarr14 · Jun 9, 2023

GMI said:
Hopefully we’ll be ‘Road Warriors’ this season.

* hopefully some Mad Max fans on here or this Aussie pun may fall flat…

** i suppose if you think you have to explain your pun then it’s not a very good one….

That’s bait

Bluto Blutarsky · Jun 9, 2023

Trix said:
Easy saying "trust the academy" but the older age group is not great because the academy has been neglected for quite a while, and under who's watch may add.

When you constantly change the direction of the club by employing managers with completely different philosophies you end up with a fucked up squad full of mismatched players, again under who's watch.

This is just lip service imo because he knows the hardcore want to see more home grown players but the fact is that's not going to solve our problems in the short term. Only spending money will!

He's just trying to push the blame away from himself once more.

To me it’s a message that the wheelbarrow is empty, and we need to make do with what we have - at least in the short-term.

jbstarr14 · Jun 9, 2023

Yiddo100 said:

I have this strange feeling in my tummy…

Wait a minute - is… is that - optimism…?

JayB · Jun 9, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Wonder which acquisitions he's referring to specifically? Are we going all the way back to Ndombele/Sess/Lo Celso or are we talking Richarlison, Perisic, etc?

Also, if you keep flip-flopping between completely different styles of managers who value totally different qualities in players, you're gonna have issues with your acquisitions, Daniel.

Those quotes also gloss over the abject neglect of the CB position.

Mourinho wanted Skriniar and was given an unproven talent from the Championship on a cut-price deal thanks to Swansea's financial crisis. Conte chased after a LCB last summer and again in January and all he got was a distinctly average loanee. Since buying Alderweireld nearly a decade ago we've brought in one CB who has proven to be a success.

"The notion that Tottenham haven't backed certain managers is incorrect. We've backed them some of the time, while completely fucking ignoring central defence despite the managers' protests" is not the most compelling perspective when you've just shipped 63 goals in the league.

hutchiniho · Jun 9, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
To me it’s a message that the wheelbarrow is empty, and we need to make do with what we have - at least in the short-term.

Exactly how I read it.
Trust the academy means promote from within rather than buy from elsewhere. Or at best sell before we buy.

Levy is quite correct though. We have spend over a hundred million on Lo Celso, NDombele and Sanchez and we’d be lucky to get £15m. Money was spent but not well at all.

FrankSpencer · Jun 9, 2023

The signings of Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulu, Porro and Richarlison have all been spot on.

A few more of that quality (with this managers attacking philosophy) we’re on the right tracks.

Lots to be positive about.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jun 9, 2023

hutchiniho said:
Exactly how I read it.
Trust the academy means promote from within rather than buy from elsewhere. Or at best sell before we buy.

Levy is quite correct though. We have spend over a hundred million on Lo Celso, NDombele and Sanchez and we’d be lucky to get £15m. Money was spent but not well at all.

Levy is half-correct.

We have spent money. A lot of money.

But, we really have not "backed" our managers - because that is an on-going commitment, not a one-window deal. That is the nature of clubs that want to compete at the top of the table - the work is never done.

wrd · Jun 9, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Levy is half-correct.

We have spent money. A lot of money.

But, we really have not "backed" our managers - because that is an on-going commitment, not a one-window deal. That is the nature of clubs that want to compete at the top of the table - the work is never done.

He actually said similar in the documentary and I remember his tone was dismissive towards the criticisms, it's pretty amazing to see he hasn't reflected on it to be honest. If he thinks backing Poch is spending 100 mill on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon and sacking him 12 games in to the transition when two of them were injured 90% of the time after having 3 years to reflect on it then it perfectly correlates to why we never get things all the way right. That doesn't get into then hiring managers who would never have signed those midfielders making the outlay redundant. I actually think the comment he made about the outlay on the players was dismissive of the players and made no effort to understand the why. I expect fans to write them off as shit and look at players in binary terms but not the person in charge. I expect more nuanced understanding.

ultimateloner · Jun 9, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Bissouma last summer was just as good a bargain, if not better, than Mac Allister. Will be a new player in a non-Conte system.

Feel like the jury's still out on Rich too (somewhat). Never got a run of games in his best position all season and had about 4 goals offside by millimetres.

Think the recent recruitment has largely been above average - main issue is the flip flopping and the dogshit pre-paratici deals.

I can't rmb Bissouma's price. I am hopeful that he can play an important for us in the coming season though. I'm unsure if I can call him a bargain given his lack of game time thus far, though it's not his own fault (injury i think..).

I agree with you that jury's still out with Richy and that he may still produce for us. However at 60m you are looking at a 20-goals/season striker and he hasn't been that. I think he brings more than just goals but not sure it's worth that price. I think there is a steep PL premium there.

I agree that since the Conte-era the recruitment has improved; there's no one we have to downright write-off compared to the Ndom-phase, but that's a really low bar. Low to the point of pre-ENIC era IMO.

ultimateloner · Jun 9, 2023

Trix said:
Easy saying "trust the academy" but the older age group is not great because the academy has been neglected for quite a while, and under who's watch may add.

When you constantly change the direction of the club by employing managers with completely different philosophies you end up with a fucked up squad full of mismatched players, again under who's watch.

This is just lip service imo because he knows the hardcore want to see more home grown players but the fact is that's not going to solve our problems in the short term. Only spending money will!

He's just trying to push the blame away from himself once more.

I'm not even sure spending money will...

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 9, 2023

glacierSpurs said:
That's why it's so important to have manager/head coach who can speak and communicate well.

makes a big difference and much needed to give clarity and direction at our club.

robotsonic · Jun 9, 2023

Only just saw the little vid. Can see a little twinkle in the bloke's eye. You can tell he's effing loving it that he's got this gig. Fair play to him.

Locotoro · Jun 9, 2023

robotsonic said:
Only just saw the little vid. Can see a little twinkle in the bloke's eye. You can tell he's effing loving it that he's got this gig. Fair play to him.

Read this in my Ange voice

Finchyid · Jun 9, 2023

FrankSpencer said:
The signings of Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulu, Porro and Richarlison have all been spot on.

A few more of that quality (with this managers attacking philosophy) we’re on the right tracks.

Lots to be positive about.

U missed Udogie… he’s a player I am looking forward to seeing

Syn_13 · Jun 9, 2023

robotsonic said:
Only just saw the little vid. Can see a little twinkle in the bloke's eye. You can tell he's effing loving it that he's got this gig. Fair play to him.

Probably just the sun glaring off Levy's bonce.

spark7586 · Jun 9, 2023

FrankSpencer said:
The signings of Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulu, Porro and Richarlison have all been spot on.

A few more of that quality (with this managers attacking philosophy) we’re on the right tracks.

Lots to be positive about.

I wouldn’t say Richy has been spot on. 1 goal in the league is terrible for a £60m signing. Porro, who looks good going forward is not the answer at RB either.

jpascavitz · Jun 9, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Trust the Academy is the new Trust the Process

I'm actually fine with this if:

• You judge Ange on attacking football, movements, etc. and not results. The long contract is a good start
• Actions speak louder than words, would love to see our "back ups" be filled with young, hungry players that are signings and our academy. Example: If (BIG IF) we were to sign Maddison, his cup game/rotation player should be Devine. Just using an example but would love to see motivation for preseason for Parrott, Scarlett, Gil, Devine, Craig, Abbott, and co.

Ray Ray · Jun 9, 2023

Trix said:
Easy saying "trust the academy" but the older age group is not great because the academy has been neglected for quite a while, and under who's watch may add.

When you constantly change the direction of the club by employing managers with completely different philosophies you end up with a fucked up squad full of mismatched players, again under who's watch.

This is just lip service imo because he knows the hardcore want to see more home grown players but the fact is that's not going to solve our problems in the short term. Only spending money will!

He's just trying to push the blame away from himself once more.

100% - how can we trust the academy when it's probably been neglected as far back as poch in terms of what a goal and vision.

At least back when Tim and Les where around, players got loans, where sold on, broke into the squad.

Now it's just a chasm of talent, hopefully after what FP did behind the scenes is a bit of a road back to redemption but in all honesty we just need to decide what we want the academy to do for us.

Also it's a bit short sighted to hope that youngsters are going to fix this, it should always be about the long term, integrating them in slowly and not relying on pinning our hopes on an academy player to immediately fix our deficiencies.

Enzo · Jun 9, 2023

Yiddo100 said:

I am excited, he seems a man of real substance, I truly hope our board back him properly.

He has an excellent gravelly voice, I am excited.

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