Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

septicsac · Mar 19, 2023

Conte will go, Levy will parade a new, possibly former new coach and the cycle continues. Problems run much deeper than the manager, been going on for more than 2 decades, with the odd exception. Nothing changes until it changes from the top down.

Harrier · Mar 19, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Yeah, surely what Conte did today was tantamount to a resignation letter.

You’d think so.

I really can’t see any positive reason for keeping him on.

Pull the trigger now!

ajspurs · Mar 19, 2023

rossdapep said:
When he says some players are selfish I am really struggling to understand who he is talking about?

If he has suspicions about some then why were they starting today?

Who exactly is just playing for themselves?

My immediate thought went to Kane because he was taking shots when others were in better positions and he'd be completely undroppable.

But then he always comes up trumps anyway and he loves the club.

Skipp and Sarr - absolutely not.

Porro has been here 5 mins and performs.

Forster nope.

Romero??

Richarlison after his comments the other week? But then he got injured after 5 today.

Son? Maybe but Son has been shite all season and still gets picked so that's on Conte.

Perisic? Lenglet? Well Conte wanted these playera cause they are experienced but again that reflects badly on him.

I can only really come to Dier or back to Kane.

Lack of quality I would 100% be in agreement with.

I was wondering the same and thought the only person who looked any bit selfish with the ball was Kane and I very much doubt he was referring to him. Maybe he doesn't mean selfish in such a case specific sense. Actually I just checked the quotes and to me it sounds like he's referring to more off the ball moments, like maybe players not moving to support others, track back, cover etc.

Frank Blank · Mar 19, 2023

13VanDerBale13 said:
It’s actually sad how people still don’t realise the root cause of all this.

Two serial winners in Conte & Jose, have now both now failed, & it all points back to the same person …

Maybe, just maybe, they had reached their peaks long before they rocked up at Totteringham.

For the next manager we may as well go for a clean sweep and hire Benitez.

Cornpattbuck · Mar 19, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
At the very least - they ought to be able to protect a 3-1 lead against the bottom team, and one of the lowest scoring teams, in the table...

But, going back to the game - I commented at the time when Bednarek first went off injured, we had a man advantage, and the players were very lethargic, when we should have been aggressively attacking a team, down to 10-men, and missing both CBs. Instead we played kick-the-ball around for a few minutes.

We were in a good position to win today and, well, we should have, with a little graft - irrespective of shit refereeing calls or whatever football we were trying to play. I'd be fucked off with it all and, unusually for me, I probably am tonight.

Spawn · Mar 19, 2023

I think people are a bit hopeful if they think any manager is going to throw himself under the bus after he has thrown everyone else under. Most people in their own jobs wouldn’t do it so why expect him to do it?
He is protecting his brand and self preservation after a spell managing Spurs is super important.

let’s see what the next one does.

Reece_Spurs · Mar 19, 2023

ultimateloner said:
What annoys me about Conte's interview isn't what he said but the way he said it and what he didn't say.

The content alone was fine. We failed to beat teams we should beat and not holding onto a win against Soton is bad.

However instead of saying 'the players have a bad attitude' it would go down better with me if he had said 'the players have a bad attitude and I failed to inspire them.

For this reason he makes me think he is only in this only for himself, and his refusal to extend his contract and the way he had set up the team and the subs add more doubt. It also felt like he thinks he is better than us; which could be true but this ego thing doesn't bode well with the performance he has given us this season.

In contrast, Pep also ranted about Man City's attitude and the lack of passion from the home fans a couple of weeks ago. Pep has alot more credit with the club and his concern seems genuine as it wasn't just blame; he said he is to blame as well.

Potter also came across well in his interviews. He is under even more pressure than Conte, but at least he knew his place and his humility will buy him some time.

Thats why for our next appointment, on top of a footballing CV, I hope DL would also consider more elusive qualities like 'character' or 'humanity'. An egotistical coach isnt a good fit for us because it crumbles during adversity.

Nah i don't really buy that. Apart from when Conte was quite clearly very unwell, he's been extremely passionate and vocal on the touchline, even today, he was back to his old self shouting and screaming to the players.

I'm not sure how he could, as a manager, try to inspire the players much more with how he behaves on the touchline in general.

You got to remember, Conte is an elite manager, same with Jose, they aren't going to except "Ok", as much as they might be in it for themselves, it doesn't benefit them unless the team performs well on the pitch either.

Conte wants nothing less than winning, he's calling out the board and the players because it's not just his fault, simple as.

Stavrogin · Mar 19, 2023

Stamford said:
he's gone but his quote about any managers coming in and it not changing anything is right.

It's depressing because ultimately we will be here and watching the next manager fail under similar circumstances.

I'm bored of this now.

I liked his outburst but some key points are just not true - regardless of whether it is just self-preservation.

People are being too dramatic, you really don't need mountains of Cash or some kind of exorcism to turn this around. All you need to do is show some promise, show us that things can move in a positive direction.

We can never really know how someone will do as there are so many variables but the idea that Tuchel, Potter, Kompany, Fonseca, Mason, Frank, de Zerbi, Pochettino, Pleat, whoever, would all be unable to show us something worthwhile is daft. We're not asking for someone to challenge for the title, just show there is a reason to persevere.

For example, If the defence is poor then organise them to be functional, or show us that we can be effective elsewhere and then we can improve the defence over time.

If the players lack mental strength then inspire them, sign someone who can or play youngsters like Bentaleb and Mason.

These aren't intractable problems. Clubs solve them all the time, we've solved them multiple times over the past twenty years.

The big issue is that we've just had three very poor or unsuited managers. There's an element of bad luck to it but if you think about it, there is a theme.

We've improved so much over the last 20 years that managers coming in post Pochettino seem to think they have to add some missing x-factor and turn us into an elite team (or in the case of Espirito Santo, get results immediately to establish himself). It's very logical, but maybe it's not what was needed.

Conte and Mourinho appeared here with a slightly bizarre messianic attitude. Given that this is a very difficult job to suceed in, they were never going to walk the walk. Maybe the correct direction was to go with someone more calculating and reserved, who would eschew any narratives associated with the club and our position. Rather than trying to get our players to cope with pressure, maybe we needed someone who would have lessened any pressures we might have felt.

DenverSpur · Mar 19, 2023

Tottenhamboy85 said:
Im not sure any player after this will be listening to him anymore

Why because they won’t play for a manager who tells them home truths. That’s why we’re where we are. The players are allowed to just dial it in. They’re never held responsible. The manager, whoever he is is just the prospective scapegoat for the failures of the board and the players. The board demand success from the manager but never give him the players he asks for. The players are never shipped out when they show they’re not good enough. No it’s always only the manager’s who takes the fall.

ultimateloner · Mar 19, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
At the very least - they ought to be able to protect a 3-1 lead against the bottom team, and one of the lowest scoring teams, in the table...

But, going back to the game - I commented at the time when Bednarek first went off injured, we had a man advantage, and the players were very lethargic, when we should have been aggressively attacking a team, down to 10-men, and missing both CBs. Instead we played kick-the-ball around for a few minutes.

I respectfully disagree.

I thought the same as well (that we ought to be able to protect lead). However defeats against Sheffield Utd and the bad performance against Milan made me think otherwise (alongside this game).

The mental state/confidence/mood of the squad is so important that its enough to make up for big diff in footballing ability, at least on paper.

Furthermore, if Conte's willing to do a presser like this, it's not hard to imagine the amount of grief he gives individuals. More junior players like Sess, I just can't see them reacting well. At this moment it's hard to see him being supportive of any individual player bar the 'mentally strong' ones like Kane. However the fact is our squad is largely made up of mentally weak players.

13VanDerBale13 · Mar 19, 2023

DenverSpur said:
Why because they won’t play for a manager who tells them home truths. That’s why we’re where we are. The players are allowed to just dial it in. They’re never held responsible. The manager, whoever he is is just the prospective scapegoat for the failures of the board and the players. The board demand success from the manager but never give him the players he asks for. The players are never shipped out when the show they’re not good enough. No it’s always only the manager’s to takes the fall.

It’s simply the easy solution of sacking managers, rather than rebuilding our squad properly, instead of half heartedly, like we always seem to do

Stamford · Mar 19, 2023

He's challenging the club to essentially change its culture but we all know they won't

slartibartfast · Mar 19, 2023

Stavrogin said:
I liked his outburst but some key points are just not true - regardless of whether it is just self-preservation.

People are being too dramatic, you really don't need mountains of Cash or some kind of exorcism to turn this around. All you need to do is show some promise, show us that things can move in a positive direction.

We can never really know how someone will do as there are so many variables but the idea that Tuchel, Potter, Kompany, Fonseca, Mason, Frank, de Zerbi, Pochettino, Pleat, whoever, would all be unable to show us something worthwhile is daft. We're not asking for someone to challenge for the title, just show there is a reason to persevere.

For example, If the defence is poor then organise them to be functional, or show us that we can be effective elsewhere and then we can improve the defence over time.

If the players lack mental strength then inspire them, sign someone who can or play youngsters like Bentaleb and Mason.

These aren't intractable problems. Clubs solve them all the time, we've solved them multiple times over the past twenty years.

The big issue is that we've just had three very poor or unsuited managers. There's an element of bad luck to it but if you think about it, there is a theme.

We've improved so much over the last 20 years that managers coming in post Pochettino seem to think they have to add some missing x-factor and turn us into an elite team (or in the case of Espirito Santo, get results immediately to establish himself). It's very logical, but maybe it's not what was needed.

Conte and Mourinho appeared here with a slightly bizarre messianic attitude. Given that this is a very difficult job to suceed in, they were never going to walk the walk. Maybe the correct direction was to go with someone more calculating and reserved, who would eschew any narratives associated with the club and our position. Rather than trying to get our players to cope with pressure, maybe we needed someone who would have lessened any pressures we might have felt.

Agree. The managerial appointments post Poch have been awful, inevitable failure really. Those managers spend big big money for their success. We are not that club. Its like we're trying to promote the brand, with the stadium, to say look we are a big club but we're just not at that finacial place yet. And appointing successful managers who play defensive, coward football when we have one of the best strikers in the world showed a total lack of an understanding of football.
For example, I think I can say with co fidence that had we appointed Klopp, big name but plays on the front foot, we would not have been through the God awful shit show we just have. Certainly wouldn't have been bored to tears anyway.

DenverSpur · Mar 19, 2023

muppetman said:
I'd actually say my respect for him has gone up.

Whoever we appoint as the next manager I would like him to have the balls to tell Levy that if has not got the players he’s asks for by the end of the Transfer Window he’s off. And carry out his threat. Managers have got to stop letting Levy undermine them and then treat them as the scapegoat when they cannot achieve the board’s targets.

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 19, 2023

Stamford said:
He's challenging the club to essentially change its culture but we all know they won't

We are challenging him to change his system but we all know he won’t

DenverSpur · Mar 19, 2023

freeeki said:
Because they’ve all been so coachable previously

I watched Everton at Chelsea and I couldn’t help think that I bet Dyche couldn’t coach our lot to defend and counterattack as well as he has Everton doing. Our players have been in easy street for so long that they are impervious to good coaching.

slartibartfast · Mar 19, 2023

Anyone else keeping an eye on here hoping to hear he's gone lol.

ajspurs · Mar 19, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
At the very least - they ought to be able to protect a 3-1 lead against the bottom team, and one of the lowest scoring teams, in the table...

But, going back to the game - I commented at the time when Bednarek first went off injured, we had a man advantage, and the players were very lethargic, when we should have been aggressively attacking a team, down to 10-men, and missing both CBs. Instead we played kick-the-ball around for a few minutes.

I completely agree but we were never, ever going to put our foot on the gas in that instance. It's like when prior to big games people say that we'll surely come out fast attacking from the off. Never gonna happen. I just don't think (for the most part, still hard to explain 2nd halves of games) that Conte instructs us to change the tempo of our play, regardless of the circumstance. We always look to try and build in the same way and in a way that isn't greatly effective.

Even when Saints had two CB's taken off, I knew it would barely impact the way we would perform. I used to look so closely at oppositions teams and see who they're missing to assess where we may have an advantage but I feel that our approach is so reactive, defensive in nature, however you want to put it, that it doesn't matter near as much as it should.

Cavehillspur · Mar 19, 2023

DanielJohnCosta said:
We are challenging him to change his system but we all know he won’t

Surely the club should be buying the right players to suit his system and keep their fuckin noses out of the football side of things but they think they know best.

WeGotLedley · Mar 19, 2023

jpascavitz said:
Fully agree with this. While there are loads of good managers out there I think if this squad stays consistent no matter who the manager is we finish anywhere from 3-6 depending on the competition every season.

Maybe to those that would be happy with it, we play more attacking and possibly win a cup at some point/some time but unless there's a huge anomaly I don't see us winning a PL or UCL title anytime soon

If we'd shown something vs Milan who were VERY betable, we'd basically be a good game vs napoli off being in CL final.
The margins are finer than we realize. The brining negativity and me me me me me are a problem I'm just fed up with.

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