Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

Trix said:
See this is why it's all about opinions. I'd much rather see a a more pragmatic side with blistering and effective counter attacking than a possession based tika-taka team. In fact how we played in the latter half of last season was exactly what gets me excited about football. Watching the whole team stream forward every time we won the ball whilst camped in our half, 3 or 4 precise passes at pace carving teams open and scoring is far more exciting to me than watching a team pass it 30-40 times in the build up.

We've looked poor this time out because that generally hasn't happened this season and so it's look stale. We have to be far more assured in what we are doing defensively and we have to be more decisive with our forward passing in the build up than we have been this season. That to me is why it's been poor in comparison to the run in last term.

You cant play that way all season. What happens against the teams who also want to sit back in a low block?

I prefer a team that mixes it up, that goes direct but also plays the tika-taka stuff but isnt limited to one or the other.

Its not one or the other, theres loads of way to play. Gallardo is the man for this so he wont happen

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
You cant play that way all season. What happens against the teams who also want to sit back in a low block?

I prefer a team that mixes it up, that goes direct but also plays the tika-taka stuff but isnt limited to one or the other.

Its not one or the other, theres loads of way to play. Gallardo is the man for this so he wont happen

There are loads of ways to play but generally speaking teams stick to one of the two styles of football, with minor tweaks against stubborn opposition.

I can’t think of any team’s that have successfully managed to play two opposing styles of football across the same season.

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
There are loads of ways to play but generally speaking teams stick to one of the two styles of football, with minor tweaks against stubborn opposition.

I can’t think of any team’s that have successfully managed to play two opposing styles of football across the same season.

Liverpool? Obviously have a bee in your bonnet still from earlier :whistle:

spursfan1991 · Mar 14, 2023

I want Spurs to play attacking football and win consistently which will be considered good football. I want it all and i think its possible for this club to achieve it. Spurs have huge potential and i dont think you need oil money to realise that potential.

We need to stop arse kissing historical managers such as Conte and Jose though. We need to create or find our own. We came close with Poch, no reason we cant do it again but better.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
Liverpool? Obviously have a bee in your bonnet still from earlier

not at all :ROFLMAO:

I was asking a genuine question.

Liverpool play gegen pressing and possession based football, I haven’t seen them take a pragmatic approach under Klopp?

14/04/91 · Mar 14, 2023

mil1lion said:
Yeah I agree, things fell apart under Poch for that very reason. We went away from that DOF and then the transfers dried up and the squad fell off a cliff. Its key that we keep that conveyor belt of players incoming and that any new director continues to sign players who align with the manager. I kind of think it should be a package deal , if there's a manager you really like but they need a different DOF to work with then do that. Otherwise get a manager who will work well with the current one. Our best managers have been ones who followed a good DOF and inherited good players but then fell apart with the wrong one or no one. Jol did well with Arnesen but it fell apart under Comolli as they did not work well together. That caught up to us and Jol was sacked. Redknapp inherited quality players like Modric and Bale but with no DOF it dried up after a few years and his own signings were typically short term signings. Poch inherited quality players after funtime Frank and worked well initially with Mitchell but the squad dried up after Mitchell left.

I totally agree with you but what I would say is;

1. Transfers dried up because Poch was fed up with being handed players he didn't ask for - see Sissoko.
2. Not sure the word 'continues' is accurate. Has Paratici really been given total control over signing players? Danjuma would suggest not.

As quite a few people have already said, DoF only works if given control and someone finds that very, very hard to do.

Regardless of manger, coach or DoF, the meddling from the unqualified has to stop.

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
not at all I was asking a genuine question.

Liverpool play gegen pressing and possession based football, I haven’t seen them take a pragmatic approach under Klopp?

Im not talking about lump the ball to a big old CF, Im talking about hitting the forward line early, or playing passes behind the opposing defense early for your forward to run in behind to. Liverpool absolutely do that, or did at least, I'm not sure what they are really doing right now.

There was a massive difference between City and Liverpool's tactics in that regard. One of the reasons that despite his goals Haaland spends most of his time running around in circles because City wont hit that long pass.

Trix · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
You cant play that way all season. What happens against the teams who also want to sit back in a low block?

I prefer a team that mixes it up, that goes direct but also plays the tika-taka stuff but isnt limited to one or the other.

Its not one or the other, theres loads of way to play. Gallardo is the man for this so he wont happen

You never know..........

Saying that, if he did come in would he get the control and time required to get us to into that position. At some point both the fan base and the board have got to stand by a manager even when things are not going smoothly. As an entity all of the Directors, the various managers, the players and the fans have contributed to our instability.

Trix · Mar 14, 2023

spursfan1991 said:
I want Spurs to play attacking football and win consistently which will be considered good football. I want it all and i think its possible for this club to achieve it. Spurs have huge potential and i dont think you need oil money to realise that potential.

We need to stop arse kissing historical managers such as Conte and Jose though. We need to create or find our own. We came close with Poch, no reason we cant do it again but better.

There are numerous reasons, everything will have to change throughout the entire club from top to bottom, from those paying the wages to those paying at the turnstiles before that happens.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
Im not talking about lump the ball to a big old CF, Im talking about hitting the forward line early, or playing passes behind the opposing defense early for your forward to run in behind to. Liverpool absolutely do that, or did at least, I'm not sure what they are really doing right now.

There was a massive difference between City and Liverpool's tactics in that regard. One of the reasons that despite his goals Haaland spends most of his time running around in circles because City wont hit that long pass.

They have always been very deadly on the counter attack, but I still think the main objective of their football is possession and precision in transition.

I wouldn’t say their counter attacking is a pragmatic approach, they’ve always tried to play on the front foot and their counter attacking ability is a by product of the ability of their front 3.

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

Trix said:
You never know..........

Saying that, if he did come in would he get the control and time required to get us to into that position. At some point both the fan base and the board have got to stand by a manager even when things are not going smoothly. As an entity all of the Directors, the various managers, the players and the fans have contributed to our instability.

I really hope so re Gallardo. I fear he isnt even in the discussion though.

Why the fans? I'm sure you have some intelligent answers to that but in our defense we are no different to most fanbases and have just had enough now of the constant failures, and I think we need to be given a break tbh.

We have become a joke to other fans, and the media, always throwing things like Spursy at us because we are both big enough and good enough to win something but never do. Nobody cares Newcastle or Palace have never won major honours, it gets thrown at us, and when we see another opportunity wasted ok we probably do get on the players/managers backs which isnt the right way to go about things but people are just desperate now.

funkycoldmedina · Mar 14, 2023

Trix said:
There are numerous reasons, everything will have to change throughout the entire club from top to bottom, from those paying the wages to those paying at the turnstiles before that happens.

Totally agree with you on this but I do think there's a bit more flexibility from fans for managers that play a more positive stance. I don't think it's a conscious thing I just think you always believe you're in with a chance if you're creating. When a manager has you set up to absorb pressure, the nagging dread of when not if they'll score sets in

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
They have always been very deadly on the counter attack, but I still think the main objective of their football is possession and precision in transition.

I wouldn’t say their counter attacking is a pragmatic approach, they’ve always tried to play on the front foot and their counter attacking ability is a by product of the ability of their front 3.

Exactly like I said then, mix it up when they have/want to.

Nothing to do with front or back foot, or objective, if they need to bypass the midfield they do, if they need to keep the ball they do, etc.

Not getting drawn in again... See it how you see it...

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
Exactly like I said then, mix it up when they have/want to.

Nothing to do with front or back foot, or objective, if they need to bypass the midfield they do, if they need to keep the ball they do, etc.

Not getting drawn in again... See it how you see it...

Seems like you’re the one who still has a bee in his bonnet and not me :ROFLMAO:

But it’s chilled I’ll engage with the other forum members who don’t take everything personally from now on.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

funkycoldmedina said:
Totally agree with you on this but I do think there's a bit more flexibility from fans for managers that play a more positive stance. I don't think it's a conscious thing I just think you always believe you're in with a chance if you're creating. When a manager has you set up to absorb pressure, the nagging dread of when not if they'll score sets in

At the end of the day it will come down to the results we get from the football we play. If it’s more offensive based football, we might see a slight change in patience but I doubt it will be a huge difference if we still haven’t won anything in 3-4 years time but we’ve spent the time playing attractive football.

More than anything in the world we need to get that trophy chip off our shoulders.

dannyo · Mar 14, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I don't think people realize how convenient it is to live in a hotel for a guy like Conte.

He works long hours, has no time for upkeep. He lives alone - so no need for a house. I don't know what hotel is is living in, but I imagine it has a good restaurant.

I kind of doubt he is staying in an economy hotel with just a bed, a TV, and a mini-fridge.

Opening up on his living arrangements, Conte said: "For sure [there are advantages], it was a really good choice in this aspect! Then, honestly, I live in the hotel and now the people and the owner, I'm part of their family. They consider me a person that lives there and, for this reason, I want also to use this moment to say thanks because they treat me very well."

Plus, even if he spent £400/night - that runs to £146,000/year. He nets about that each week. Its the equivalent of someone making £100k/year spending about £125 per month on housing.

I imagine him sitting forlornly on his bed, dismantling his Corby trouser press in the evenings, a la Partridge.

chrisd2k · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Seems like you’re the one who still has a bee in his bonnet and not me

But it’s chilled I’ll engage with the other forum members who don’t take everything personally from now on.

Cool

Trix · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
I really hope so re Gallardo. I fear he isnt even in the discussion though.

Why the fans? I'm sure you have some intelligent answers to that but in our defense we are no different to most fanbases and have just had enough now of the constant failures, and I think we need to be given a break tbh.

We have become a joke to other fans, and the media, always throwing things like Spursy at us because we are both big enough and good enough to win something but never do. Nobody cares Newcastle or Palace have never won major honours, it gets thrown at us, and when we see another opportunity wasted ok we probably do get on the players/managers backs which isnt the right way to go about things but people are just desperate now.

Because we as a whole are far too quick to turn on the team or players and then starts the social media witch hunts which in turn the board reacts to.

Emerson Royal is a great case in point. Despite god knows how many managers and ex players explaining to us that it sometimes takes time for players to adapt to new leagues and surroundings the fans turned toxic and vitriolic in huge numbers. Masses of online abuse even booing his name being read out on the team sheet before a ball was kicked. When did our fan base become so precious? It wasn't just a vocal minority either and it was quite frankly embarrassing to witness. I think the word supporters means something very different now to what it once was, because actual support is something that used to be unconditional. Now it it feels like it's only applicable when we are winning. I completely accept we pay more than anyone else but this never used to be about vfm or customer satisfaction, it used to be about unconditional love for your team through thick and thin. Until as a collective we can really get behind the side we will be part of the problem.

I know there is inevitably going to be some "yeah but" replies to this but I wouldn't waste your time as I'm not going to pay them any mind whatsoever as my opinion on this will never be swayed.

HildoSpur · Mar 14, 2023

Trix said:
Because we as a whole are far too quick to turn on the team or players and then starts the social media witch hunts which in turn the board react to.

Emerson Royal is a great case in point. Despite god knows how many managers and ex players explaining to us that it sometimes takes time for players to adapt to new leagues and surroundings the fans turned toxic and vitriolic in huge numbers. Masses of online abuse even booing his name being read out on the team sheet before a ball was kicked. When did our fan base become so precious? It wasn't just a vocal minority either and it was quite frankly embarrassing to witness. I think the word supporters means something very different now to what it once was, because actual support is something that used to be unconditional. Now it it feels like it's only applicable when we are winning. I completely accept we pay more than anyone else but this never used to be about vfm or customer satisfaction, it used to be about unconditional love for your team through thick and thin. Until as a collective we can really get behind the side we will be part of the problem.

I know there is inevitably going to be some "yeah but" replies to this but I wouldn't waste your time as I'm not going to pay them any mind whatsoever as my opinion on this will never be swayed.

I couldn't agree more with this. We as a fan base really need to grow up.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

Trix said:
Because we as a whole are far too quick to turn on the team or players and then starts the social media witch hunts which in turn the board react to.

Emerson Royal is a great case in point. Despite god knows how many managers and ex players explaining to us that it sometimes takes time for players to adapt to new leagues and surroundings the fans turned toxic and vitriolic in huge numbers. Masses of online abuse even booing his name being read out on the team sheet before a ball was kicked. When did our fan base become so precious? It wasn't just a vocal minority either and it was quite frankly embarrassing to witness. I think the word supporters means something very different now to what it once was, because actual support is something that used to be unconditional. Now it it feels like it's only applicable when we are winning. I completely accept we pay more than anyone else but this never used to be about vfm or customer satisfaction, it used to be about unconditional love for your team through thick and thin. Until as a collective we can really get behind the side we will be part of the problem.

I know there is inevitably going to be some "yeah but" replies to this but I wouldn't waste your time as I'm not going to pay them any mind whatsoever as my opinion on this will never be swayed.

I think the fan base becoming precious as you put it is down to the world in general becoming way too politically correct and soft, this seems to be spilling over into all walks of life as we know it.

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