Fredo
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The problem is theres just no way back now regardless of a 3 game win streak for example. The man is completely clueless and out of his depth, impossible to maintain long-term consistency
FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo
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BringBack_leGin
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Mine too but rumour is he’s already turned us down in the summer. I’d be delighted with him, having been a sceptic in the summer when we were linked. I’ve seen the light.
Spunkmonkey
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Did you see yesterday’s game?
Russ1201
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Brilliant news thanks for sharing Trix.
10 games become 15, 15 become 20, 20 become 25.
We are getting beat by 2,3 at the moment. The attacking stats are alarming and the whole managerial debacle in summer made it obvious he wasnt long term.
If he was playing expansive attacking football, lets say we lose yesterday 3-2 there wouldnt be the pressure.
shelfboy68
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I don't think he needs anymore time on this horror story pull the plug now and pay the money to get someone in.
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Mr Pink
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Come on though...why waste months when a new manager who fits us better will get the rest of the season to prepare for next...thats crucial...and might even achieve something in the interim.
Nuno doesnt even appear to have general motivational skills...we're as dull as dish water on the pitch...what possible good would it do to keep this going?
It's not going to improve. Said it before the game last night that if we cant get up for a game under the lights at home against United, off the back of all these poor performances, we never will.
Last night was the final straw. Got to go.
PCozzie
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I like a challenge, but I think you've set yourself up for defeat trying to convince almost everyone that Nuno is making some kind of progress behind the scenes that we're just about to see come to fruition on the pitch.
We did it before with Santini, and if it didn't usher in a trophy laden era at least under Jol we enjoyed watching the football and could get behind him.
mpickard2087
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Like the summer, Nuno would be only the first change of many. Personally I'd boot Don Fraudeone as well.
- Levy needs to decide the overarching vision, fans might not like that or have faith but he is the man with the Tottenham world in his hands and is who counts on the direction of the club. He simply must decide a path to go down and stick with it. But wanting "attacking football" is not enough - does that mean considered ultra technical possession, direct attacking, old fashioned wingplay stuff, high tempo, low tempo, high press, mid-block gegenpress... what? The detail is what is needed. With that the transfer policy/limits/parameters, youth policy, etc that the club operates under. We don't need vision about outcomes (eg. Top Four, Trophies, etc), we need vision about the process. Good process leads to good outcomes.
- We then need a DOF/someone in charge of the football operation who understands this, believes in it, oversees it all and can put the pieces in place. Not just some bog standard transfer guy.
- A Coach who fits how we want to play. Someone who is cutting edge at whatever aspect of the game we deem important (possession, pressing, etc).
- An academy set up (eg. Who is in charge at the moment, post-McDermott???) properly and ambitiously resourced and in tune with the clubs ethos and philosophy. Develops players for our style of play, has clear objectives - even if its to make money (eg. by building value via loans such as what Chelsea and other clubs do).
- A comprehensive recruitment network and ability to identify targets. Clear understanding of how the club wants to play, transfer policy, what sort of players we want and the requisite tools and qualities they need/we hold important, and build the target list from there.
- World class set ups in other departments - data, analysis, medical, coaching development and methodology, etc.
Changing manager might do a bit, likewise changing the players, throwing money at the obvious might help..... but really we need big ambitious structural reform at the end of the day in the whole of the footballing operation. That's the path to long term "success" and good outcomes.
- Levy needs to decide the overarching vision, fans might not like that or have faith but he is the man with the Tottenham world in his hands and is who counts on the direction of the club. He simply must decide a path to go down and stick with it. But wanting "attacking football" is not enough - does that mean considered ultra technical possession, direct attacking, old fashioned wingplay stuff, high tempo, low tempo, high press, mid-block gegenpress... what? The detail is what is needed. With that the transfer policy/limits/parameters, youth policy, etc that the club operates under. We don't need vision about outcomes (eg. Top Four, Trophies, etc), we need vision about the process. Good process leads to good outcomes.
- We then need a DOF/someone in charge of the football operation who understands this, believes in it, oversees it all and can put the pieces in place. Not just some bog standard transfer guy.
- A Coach who fits how we want to play. Someone who is cutting edge at whatever aspect of the game we deem important (possession, pressing, etc).
- An academy set up (eg. Who is in charge at the moment, post-McDermott???) properly and ambitiously resourced and in tune with the clubs ethos and philosophy. Develops players for our style of play, has clear objectives - even if its to make money (eg. by building value via loans such as what Chelsea and other clubs do).
- A comprehensive recruitment network and ability to identify targets. Clear understanding of how the club wants to play, transfer policy, what sort of players we want and the requisite tools and qualities they need/we hold important, and build the target list from there.
- World class set ups in other departments - data, analysis, medical, coaching development and methodology, etc.
Changing manager might do a bit, likewise changing the players, throwing money at the obvious might help..... but really we need big ambitious structural reform at the end of the day in the whole of the footballing operation. That's the path to long term "success" and good outcomes.
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rossdapep
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Problem is, by only appointing Nuno this summer, they would really not have been expecting to have to appoint another coach now.
Nuno was clearly a stop gap til next summer where they could get their man a bit easier.
Therefore I can't imagine them having too much up their sleeve
Nuno was clearly a stop gap til next summer where they could get their man a bit easier.
Therefore I can't imagine them having too much up their sleeve
dagraham
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In all seriousness, I can’t actually imagine what the actual plan ( if we have one) is?
Paratici was brought in to steer direction on the football side and pick the manager and his choices were Gattuso and then Nuno. If we leave it to him again I can see another disaster, but the alternative of course is undermining him less than 6 months into the job. In which case he might walk.
Now I wouldn’t be too unhappy if he did personally, but that’s still another red flag to the rest of the football world that we are a circus.
I just don’t even know where we go from here anymore?
Paratici was brought in to steer direction on the football side and pick the manager and his choices were Gattuso and then Nuno. If we leave it to him again I can see another disaster, but the alternative of course is undermining him less than 6 months into the job. In which case he might walk.
Now I wouldn’t be too unhappy if he did personally, but that’s still another red flag to the rest of the football world that we are a circus.
I just don’t even know where we go from here anymore?
For the love of Spurs
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far better not even a close comparison.
Aphex
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Glad to hear the end is near for Nuno. Yesterday was the final knock out blow to his tenure here. He had the look of a man who knows his time is up. I reckon he wants to go too. Doesn’t look like he’s enjoying it one bit, he can’t be.
It’s amazing that the club wasted a whole summer and ended up with Nuno. What a wasted opportunity, the club had a chance to really kick off a new project and instead went with Nuno. I can only imagine he was hired because he was cheap and available but then what does it say for us appointing a successor?
I’d actually rather we hired Nuno because we wanted him genuinely, because the alternatives doesn’t bare thinking about. Which is that top coaches like Potter and ETH didn’t want us. I sincerely hope we can attract someone good otherwise we are screwed.
It’s amazing that the club wasted a whole summer and ended up with Nuno. What a wasted opportunity, the club had a chance to really kick off a new project and instead went with Nuno. I can only imagine he was hired because he was cheap and available but then what does it say for us appointing a successor?
I’d actually rather we hired Nuno because we wanted him genuinely, because the alternatives doesn’t bare thinking about. Which is that top coaches like Potter and ETH didn’t want us. I sincerely hope we can attract someone good otherwise we are screwed.
InBlackAndWhite
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Points per game not far off last season.
I think until the end of Dec by the way, not end of season if things don't improve.
Alex Ferguson would of lasted about 2 months in this day and age.
shelfboy68
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What do you define as long term success, because clubs like Chelsea, city and eventually Newcastle will virtually put a stop to trophy collection.
Westmorlandspur
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Who do you suggest. Took us 10 wks to get Nuno.
Could always go back to Fonseca.
I mean the managerial search looks very poor on Paratici and the lack of cm cover and kane cover in BUT Emerson, Romero, Gil look to be good signings. Gollini is a steady number 2 worth the loan option.
Ideally Hitchen would pick coach and Paratici sorts transfer business. Levy stays well away.
