Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Thread - Day 19
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TheVoiceofReason
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Nothing to see here.
Didn’t even get a replay from BT. The bias is unreal.
Nebby
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Well, we could go on the offensive and ship 4 or 5 when we lose. Even playing this so-called negative stuff, we still get can’t defend properly. What chance we got when we play a more and expansive style?
Well we'd be more likely to score more for a start.
TonyS
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Agree with most comments on here tonight, so no need to regurgitate the same things.
That said, there are some things that won't be happening anytime soon....even if we all agree
1. Jose getting sacked. I don't see it happening, because of the huge compensation that Levy would have to pay, and I don't see Jose walking of his own accord. On the off chance he did, who'd replace him??
2. Canning half the team. I think we are stuck with this lot and again, Levy is not going to splash anymore cash anytime soon, due to the uncertainty with the virus. He did say that if the lack of fans attending continued, we couldn't sustain it.
Where the fuck do we go from here?? I have said it before, the only way I see us competing at the highest level consistently, is to sell the club. We are never going to get past where we are with the likes of what we have, we'll at least the bulk of them.
That said, there are some things that won't be happening anytime soon....even if we all agree
1. Jose getting sacked. I don't see it happening, because of the huge compensation that Levy would have to pay, and I don't see Jose walking of his own accord. On the off chance he did, who'd replace him??
2. Canning half the team. I think we are stuck with this lot and again, Levy is not going to splash anymore cash anytime soon, due to the uncertainty with the virus. He did say that if the lack of fans attending continued, we couldn't sustain it.
Where the fuck do we go from here?? I have said it before, the only way I see us competing at the highest level consistently, is to sell the club. We are never going to get past where we are with the likes of what we have, we'll at least the bulk of them.
Nebby
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Do you remember the glory days under Ossie? Nah, me neither.
BuryMeInEngland
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Fucking Chavski must be looking forward to playing us. 
I do not get why we did not go with a similar team and formation to the game at Anfield Sissoko to sit in front of Aurier and NDombele for Lo Celso Toby with Dier and go from there.. Jose tinkering way too much btw he needs to involve Alli again lack of creativity is just glaring
I’d take Lloris off that list but otherwise agree completely!!
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Or, alternatively, I support the team and try and look for positives instead of turning this place into a cesspool of when we don't play like peak Barca.
The team has been cack for a few years now. I wonder how many on here lived through the 90s.
greavesy461
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Had time to calm down. Was not a good performance but we gave them the goals they didn’t over-run us. If Liverpool are “back in the title race” then we are certainly well in the mix for top four. We win our game in hand and we are still only a point behind Liverpool. Hopefully Kane only out for a few weeks but time to play Vini now and see what he can do. Give Bale 90 mins against Brighton and hopefully get back to winning ways. We clearly need better CBs and another robust CM to play the way Mourinho wants us to and I’m sure he’ll get what he wants in the Summer. It isn’t pretty but with reinforcements it should be effective. Hopefully he will then feel he can take the shackles off a bit so I’m willing to give him another season to see. COYS.
Strikeb4ck
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I didn't think it was that bad. We had a gameplan that has worked very well against big teams and today it didn't work out.
The first half was fine...they had a couple moments but the biggest one would have been called back for Mane being offside in the buildup. Apart from that it wasn't as if they looked like they would inevitably score. We had the Son goal harshly disallowed, and apart from that there were SEVERAL chances to get a through ball behind their defense and score - the final ball just wasn't good enough and 3 or 4 times it was just a really poor pass under minimal pressure, so I think that was disappointing.
The game swung in stoppage time in the first half. Just a disastrous goal to concede and one very sloppy moment at the back. Doherty started it off keeping everyone onside but even then, the fact that neither Lloris or Dier get that ball cleared is pathetic. Just shambolic stuff. That moment cost us the match.
It was always going to be a game where the first goal won it. Neither team can break down a low block, as we've seen the past month or two. Liverpool got the goal today, but I honestly think that had the Son goal counted, we walk away with a 1-1 at the absolute minimum.
So in that sense I'm not upset with the first half gameplan. The final ball was really disappointing, and the goal we conceded was pathetic, but apart from that I thought things were fairly comfortable.
The second half of course, was pathetic. Kane coming off, Aurier coming off, the formation switch that pitted Doherty vs Mane, Winks coming in...absolutely killed us. Had no chance from the 45th minute onwards. Our goal was just a wonderstrike, but we didn't create a thing and they could easily have had more on the counter.
The thing is, it doesn't surprise me at all. We can't break down teams when they sit in. We are vulnerable on the counter with that back 4 we had the 2nd half. The end result was pretty predictable when we stepped out with that 11 2nd half down 1-0 against a team that can counter like Liverpool can. It's very disappointing that we can't play better when we're not counterattacking ourselves, and that we can't dominate teams, but I'm used to it at this point.
Ultimately, the first goal was vital, and we didn't get it. On another day with better passing and without that terrible Hugo/Dier messup we probably get something sometimes playing like that. But there's still a pretty clear gap in quality between the sides, and Jose's problem is that when you lose games playing like this, you don't get the forgiveness you do when losing games playing like we did under Poch.
The first half was fine...they had a couple moments but the biggest one would have been called back for Mane being offside in the buildup. Apart from that it wasn't as if they looked like they would inevitably score. We had the Son goal harshly disallowed, and apart from that there were SEVERAL chances to get a through ball behind their defense and score - the final ball just wasn't good enough and 3 or 4 times it was just a really poor pass under minimal pressure, so I think that was disappointing.
The game swung in stoppage time in the first half. Just a disastrous goal to concede and one very sloppy moment at the back. Doherty started it off keeping everyone onside but even then, the fact that neither Lloris or Dier get that ball cleared is pathetic. Just shambolic stuff. That moment cost us the match.
It was always going to be a game where the first goal won it. Neither team can break down a low block, as we've seen the past month or two. Liverpool got the goal today, but I honestly think that had the Son goal counted, we walk away with a 1-1 at the absolute minimum.
So in that sense I'm not upset with the first half gameplan. The final ball was really disappointing, and the goal we conceded was pathetic, but apart from that I thought things were fairly comfortable.
The second half of course, was pathetic. Kane coming off, Aurier coming off, the formation switch that pitted Doherty vs Mane, Winks coming in...absolutely killed us. Had no chance from the 45th minute onwards. Our goal was just a wonderstrike, but we didn't create a thing and they could easily have had more on the counter.
The thing is, it doesn't surprise me at all. We can't break down teams when they sit in. We are vulnerable on the counter with that back 4 we had the 2nd half. The end result was pretty predictable when we stepped out with that 11 2nd half down 1-0 against a team that can counter like Liverpool can. It's very disappointing that we can't play better when we're not counterattacking ourselves, and that we can't dominate teams, but I'm used to it at this point.
Ultimately, the first goal was vital, and we didn't get it. On another day with better passing and without that terrible Hugo/Dier messup we probably get something sometimes playing like that. But there's still a pretty clear gap in quality between the sides, and Jose's problem is that when you lose games playing like this, you don't get the forgiveness you do when losing games playing like we did under Poch.
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Whenever a team hasn’t scored for a while.....there’s always Spurs
Whenever a player hasn’t scored all season.....there’s always Sputs
Whenever January is just about gone.....there’s always a Kane injury.
Players make mistakes but so does Jose. There should have been a straight forward back 4 not with Doherty as a left wing back.
When Harry went off moving Son up front was crazy, even though Vinicius played badly last game he should have come on. We should have played three in midfield from the off and certainly no5 to have left it until half time.
Only positive was that except for his bad mistake Rodon was excellent. I would start him and Toby as first choice pairing to be honest.
Whenever a player hasn’t scored all season.....there’s always Sputs
Whenever January is just about gone.....there’s always a Kane injury.
Players make mistakes but so does Jose. There should have been a straight forward back 4 not with Doherty as a left wing back.
When Harry went off moving Son up front was crazy, even though Vinicius played badly last game he should have come on. We should have played three in midfield from the off and certainly no5 to have left it until half time.
Only positive was that except for his bad mistake Rodon was excellent. I would start him and Toby as first choice pairing to be honest.
rupsmith
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Top post sir. Objective, articulate and I personally could not agree more.
rupsmith
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The 90s bring back memories. We have been through worse times. This is Jose’s project - with somewhat minimal investment. It’s not something that gets fixed in 18 months. We had fallen apart for nearly 12 months under Poch. Half of our squad need replacement. We need to support this lot through thick and thin. Spurs - bloody Spurs.
That peak Barca team....
VoteMe4Prez
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Sorry but Winksy had no right entering play at all. It was a dreadful change to make and not startng Alderweireld ahead of Rodon, unless he had a knock was insane
rupsmith
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Am I wrong but it looked like Lloris was partially - or even fully - at fault for all 3 goals.
Also I thought Joses responses were clear and fair. We lost the games because of individual cock ups not because they ripped us apart
Also I thought Joses responses were clear and fair. We lost the games because of individual cock ups not because they ripped us apart
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rossdapep
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Just watched the highlights back now.
First goal, I initially put all the blame on Aurier and Dier but seeing from another angle, Lloris could easily have got down to it and cut the cross out. He seemed to leave it for Dier. Dier then did the same for him. Still no excuses for Dier's poor positioning. He needed to be further towards Mane, far too concerned about the pull back.
Second goal, all on Lloris, rule number one is too push those shots around the post. I can only assume he thought Davies would get to it first.
Third goal, not his fault. Rodon let the ball bounce, he needed to attack it.
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