Only problem is Jose expects his midfielders to defend . Ali is not really good at that
Dele Alli at Everton
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Only problem is Jose expects his midfielders to defend . Ali is not really good at that
Hakkz
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Other than that I'm happy to keep him. But having a square peg with round holes to fill isn't ideal.
BringBack_leGin
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I’m torn on the Dele situation. When he’s on song he provides so much variation, unpredictability and flair. Problem is, I’ve been defending him increasingly, pointing to his stats increasingly, arguing his case increasingly for a long time, which suggests to me that on song Dele is becoming less and less evident.
If he goes I’ll be sorry to see it, but unfortunately I don’t think I’ll be able to disagree with it.
If he goes I’ll be sorry to see it, but unfortunately I don’t think I’ll be able to disagree with it.
Dele’s got to complacent. Was un-droppable under Poch because we had nobody else. Jose came in loved him and he started well but has fallen off for whatever reason. This is probably the first time in his career he’s felt any pressure to buck up or not play.. Really don’t think Jose wants him gone just trying to get a reaction. Euros coming up would think that alone would get him going! Hope he comes good
tiger666
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I don't see a place for him in the regular formation.
Imo he's best up front next to Kane in a 2 or in the 10 slot but then you're dropping one of Bale/Son again. It seems a lot of messing about to get Dele in the team. Loads of games to come of course so he'll get playing time, I wouldn't sell him but I don't see where he has a place in the first choice starters. Bale Kane Son is the strength of this team, that imo is untouchable.
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Lloris
Doherty Defender Defender Reguilon
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso Tanguy
Bale Kane Son
I'd never drop Bale or Son for him to play on the wing and he's too slow to be a runner off Kane imo. I'm hoping Tanguy will cement that central mid spot for himself and I don't like Dele in there anyway, he's too ponderous on the ball and I hate seeing the flicks and tricks in central midfield. Maybe in place of Lo Celso? I dunno.Doherty Defender Defender Reguilon
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso Tanguy
Bale Kane Son
Imo he's best up front next to Kane in a 2 or in the 10 slot but then you're dropping one of Bale/Son again. It seems a lot of messing about to get Dele in the team. Loads of games to come of course so he'll get playing time, I wouldn't sell him but I don't see where he has a place in the first choice starters. Bale Kane Son is the strength of this team, that imo is untouchable.
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Dov67
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A player who was sensational at the age of 21 doesn't degrade into a bad player at the age of 23/24.
I know he has been poor for approx 18 months now, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think we would seriously regret selling him, maybe not today maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of our lives (says in his best Bogie voice
).
I know he has been poor for approx 18 months now, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think we would seriously regret selling him, maybe not today maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of our lives (says in his best Bogie voice
).
Haddock
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I mean it's quite telling that Dele played with much more aggression, effort, and sharpness when Mourinho first arrived and challenged him. Now, that level of effort has dropped. If we're going to crawl out of the EL and back into the top four we can't be carrying players who feel like playing on 80-90% of their capacity is enough.
Dele showed a noticeable difference in attitude once, now he has to show it again and consistently rise to that level. For me, it's that simple. I'm not as concerned with formations and roles as most on here. If Dele buckles up he has a place in this team. But it all starts and ends with his attitude and effort.
Dele showed a noticeable difference in attitude once, now he has to show it again and consistently rise to that level. For me, it's that simple. I'm not as concerned with formations and roles as most on here. If Dele buckles up he has a place in this team. But it all starts and ends with his attitude and effort.
Darrkespur
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I thought Danny Murphy put it well on MOTD2 last night - most modern formations in the Premier League aren't playing with a no 10 and it's hard to see how Dele fits into the formation we are moving towards. Murphy reckoned that that Dele needs to change position - either to a deeper midfield position or onto the wings. I think that's right and think a deeper role would be better suited for him but I'm not sure Dele is ready mentally to make that shift - it would require more discipline and less tricks. I think if he committed to making that position change he could be a great no 8, but it might take a move for him to realise that.
NickHSpurs
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What’s the odds on Jose being a massive troll and we see Dele as captain tomorrow night ?
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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I hope we are ruthless and sell. Nice kid but get the feeling he thinks he’s better than he is. he’s just too careless with the ball in the final third and a bit one paced as well.
Rosco1984
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He was a CM in a 2 at MK Dons lower standard obviously but he knows how to play that position it is the same as Dier at CB that was his initial position CM was always a makeshift position to get him in the side and fill a squad gap but after a while of not playing a position it will take a run of games and patience to get those instincts back it will be the same for Dele if we move him to CM.
Danny1
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I’d say he is trying to light a fire within Dele. I remember an interview with Lampard about Mourinho where he said that Mourinho is a man manager genius. He gives you the praise but then out of nowhere he suddenly stops talking to you and it makes you feel like you have let him down in some way. This then has the effect of the player working twice as hard to find out why. Which is good for the team.
Personally I think this wouldn’t work for everyone but it definitely sorts the weak minded from the strong.
Personally I think this wouldn’t work for everyone but it definitely sorts the weak minded from the strong.
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Of course they do - there's a very long list of players that did.
Players have to keep pushing hard beyond that age - no one really 'makes it' at 21, but a lot of players can fall into the trap of thinking they have and taking their foot off the throttle.
Hakkz
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Yup. The pure no 10 has no place in teams atm unless you have a really solid 2 man midfield behind (Dembele and Wanyama for example). So he either has to play more of a cm or a winger. Can never see him be effective on the wing, especially when Bale and Son are so much better. Maybe cm but then he has to learn to be much more careful with the ball and not do the stupid flicks.
Dov67
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that's my point though. The ability he had at 21 hasn't gone away. Its still there. The attitude, desire, focus, work ethic or whatever you want to call it has dropped, and that's why he isn't the same player we saw in 2017/18.
tommo84
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I’d rather we keep him but the only way he can fit into this team/system is by dropping deeper. He’s got the ability to do that (he was a number 8 for MK Dons) but at the top level and in a counter-attacking team he’ll need to work harder in order to compete with GLC and Tanguy for that role.
Agree with Murphy...
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Always felt as though as though Dele was not a natural fit in a Mourinho team. Since Mourinho has been here, he has probably wanted to work with Dele to remould his game to become more of a central midfield but perhaps is wondering if that is ever going to happen.
Dele Alli told to ‘change his position’ to save Spurs career
Former Tottenham and Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy believes Dele Alli has to ‘change his position’ if he is to get back into the Spurs team.
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Always felt as though as though Dele was not a natural fit in a Mourinho team. Since Mourinho has been here, he has probably wanted to work with Dele to remould his game to become more of a central midfield but perhaps is wondering if that is ever going to happen.
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Well that and a few hamstring type injuries. He's dragged his feet through an important couple of years of development. If you can't take inspiration from someone like Kane when he's around you in the same club, what hope does he have?
Arsenal had a full midfield of these types of players not too long ago - they end up 28 and still being called a prospect.
Japhet
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Agree with Murphy...
Dele Alli told to ‘change his position’ to save Spurs career
Former Tottenham and Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy believes Dele Alli has to ‘change his position’ if he is to get back into the Spurs team.
Always felt as though as though Dele was not a natural fit in a Mourinho team. Since Mourinho has been here, he has probably wanted to work with Dele to remould his game to become more of a central midfield but perhaps is wondering if that is ever going to happen.
I don't think Dele has the discipline, maturity, whatever you want to call it, to play CM. He's too careless with possession and chooses personal show boating over effectiveness far too often. He also has a streak of petulance in him that has repeatedly caused him problems. I'm fully on board with selling him for a top, top price, but that would inevitably mean selling to an EPL team and bringing HG premium into play. This could all be bluster of course with Mourinho trying to light a fire under him to get him focussed, but then we're still left with the question of where the hell does he fit in the team, because I can't see him behaving if he sits on the bench for long.
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