Spurs Amazon Documentary?

Gb160 · Sep 15, 2020

LeParisien said:
Rachel! How do you spell that?

Brilliant, Winksy single-handedly smashing down the 'footballers are thick' stereotypes right there!

I think overall a lot of people were just expecting too much from this.
It was never going to be deep, forensic, tactical analysis, it was never going to be a hit piece on Levy...no matter how much people were desperate for it to be.

It was always going to be a bit fluffy, so just take it for what it is, a PR piece which showed the club in a positive light and earned the club a few quid.

Wsussexspur · Sep 15, 2020

How many times in does Levy have to repeat when the camera is on him ”we had the highest net spend of £100 odd million in the league last season”.

guiltyparty · Sep 15, 2020

Gb160 said:
Brilliant, Winksy single-handedly smashing down the 'footballers are thick' stereotypes right there!

I think overall a lot of people were just expecting too much from this.
It was never going to be deep, forensic, tactical analysis, it was never going to be a hit piece on Levy...no matter how much people were desperate for it to be.

It was always going to be a bit fluffy, so just take it for what it is, a PR piece which showed the club in a positive light and earned the club a few quid.

But that’s the thing, it really doesn’t. At all.

Sure we’ve got a nice stadium and a nice training ground. But behind the scenes it’s way more revealing than people seem to want to acknowledge, and not in a good way

BringBack_leGin · Sep 15, 2020

guiltyparty said:
I would say your attitude is generally being a bit of a dick to anyone who doesn’t agree with you. There’s lots on here like that and why this site is basically disintegrating as those with opposing views to the general party line are either ridiculed or leave to go elsewhere.

I have plenty of time for people who disagree with me, in fact most of my favourite posters and best relationships here are born out of disagreements and opposing views. Common denominator is that those are posters who actually put thought into what they post and make constructive points and evidence based criticisms, not posters who wait for any excuse to rant, rave, and spout unsubstantiated, inflammatory, agenda driven tripe. I’d be interested in what you consider the general party line as the vast majority of posts on this site are anti whoever that poster dislikes at Spurs. Levy. Dele. Dier. Davies. Højbjerg. Lloris. Kane. Lucas. It goes on, and it’s also almost always a result of a defeat because grown men (I assume) can’t handle a football match going badly. That’s the end of my discourse on this issue in this thread as I don’t want to further pollute it with this type of boring dick waving that nobody will give a shit about.

Albertbarich · Sep 15, 2020

Never been a mourinho fan but this has made wonder even more if his yesterday's man.

Those last three episodes were brutal. Nearly every match the players did almost the opposite of what he asked for.

Press high, be aggressive, attack them. We never did it once. I dont know if that's the training, the players not being good enough, them not responding or what butits clear he couldn't get much of a tune out of them.

gavspur · Sep 15, 2020

I was quite surprised to see Jose saying ‘press high, be aggressive’ etc cos they certainly didn’t show that on the pitch. Harry doesn’t press high for us, hasn’t in ages. Son, Moura, Dele, they are slow to do so (although Moura certainly tries more from the Arsenal game on).. Winks sitting too deep. The defence too deep. So why are the team not doing it? Are they scared to, and scared to speak out and say they are scared to press? All a bit weird.

SamR · Sep 15, 2020

eddiev14 said:
Was left feeling that José is the one that needs to adapt.

It’s basically a season of him criticising the players, telling them they need to be c-words, more aggressive blah, blah, blah. It may well be for the camera (I hope so, at least) but it felt like a really antiquated management style. It’s not really a surprise that they didn’t look motivated. I think a lot of those players doubted themselves even more after a few months of that.

We definitely need more leaders in that dressing room but, I’m sorry, good leaders do not have to be c-words. They can be vocal, inspiring and demand a lot from those around them without the need for that.

Not impressed.

The thing is though, all of his in game analysis was spot on. There was a moment where Aurier should have taken the foul and other moments where the team didn't work hard enough and we conceded. It's exactly what the fans were thinking and have been saying for months.

The minimum we should expect for a team with top 4 aspirations is energy and work rate. There is clearly a defeatist attitude and none of the players really want to step up and take the responsibility.

What's wrong with his approach? The way to win is to concede fewer goals and that's a team effort. Yes we want to go out and smash teams 4-0 but team need to work harder to shut teams out.

The players need to accept this level of feedback and accountability if they are going to win things. It's obviously worked everywhere else he has managed.

Levy & Co are to blame for this staleness however. His constant reminder of being big net spenders in 1 window was laughable.

Albertbarich · Sep 15, 2020

SamR said:
The thing is though, all of his in game analysis was spot on. There was a moment where Aurier should have taken the foul and other moments where the team didn't work hard enough and we conceded. It's exactly what the fans were thinking and have been saying for months.

The minimum we should expect for a team with top 4 aspirations is energy and work rate. There is clearly a defeatist attitude and none of the players really want to step up and take the responsibility.

What's wrong with his approach? The way to win is to concede fewer goals and that's a team effort. Yes we want to go out and smash teams 4-0 but team need to work harder to shut teams out.

If the players can't take that feedback they should f*&k off and play for a team with smaller ambition.

Levy & Co are to blame for this staleness however. His constant reminder of being big net spenders in 1 window was laughable.

The issue is though that we have all seen the games and now retrospectively seen the team talks and briefings- well part of them. They barely did anything he asked. I understand the desire for fight and passion but it has to go with play and tactics. At one point he was screaming at the team because it was goaless at half time and saying about clean sheets and I remember thinking we were absolutely awful in that game and the camera was on dele and his face said it all. You have a group who are used to being on the front foot and his asking them to defend defend defend and they aren't enjoying it, which you may not think is an issue or at least shouldn't be but he clearly is struggling to get the best out of them.

Is levy at fault? Yes! But we have the squad we do and the very very highly paid manager has to get the best out of them.

Dean · Sep 15, 2020

If the documentary, irrespective as to how condensed and edited it is, is anything to go by, you can't question the fact that Mourinho pushes the players. He can't help the fact that they play sloppy passes and he's pushing them to press and be aggressive. It just seems to go in one ear and out of the other. Can't understand where their lack of passion has come from.

Gb160 · Sep 15, 2020

guiltyparty said:
But that’s the thing, it really doesn’t. At all.

Sure we’ve got a nice stadium and a nice training ground. But behind the scenes it’s way more revealing than people seem to want to acknowledge, and not in a good way

I think maybe you’re seeing things that weren’t actually there mate.

This might be a crazy suggestion, but maybe Sunday’s result is clouding the opinions of some.

Albertbarich · Sep 15, 2020

Gb160 said:
I think maybe you’re seeing things that weren’t actually there mate.

This might be a crazy suggestion, but maybe Sunday’s result is clouding the opinions of some.

Always does. Momentum us so important

Jamturk · Sep 15, 2020

What makes me laugh about all these critiques aimed at our club and team is the total disregard of any efforts made by our opponents and that just sometimes they may do well and counter things we may be trying on and off the field.

Take Everton for example, sure we did'nt play very well but I was very impressed with them. They have a top manager have made some great signings and got their tactics spot on for the match.

guiltyparty · Sep 15, 2020

Dean said:
If the documentary, irrespective as to how condensed and edited it is, is anything to go by, you can't question the fact that Mourinho pushes the players. He can't help the fact that they play sloppy passes and he's pushing them to press and be aggressive. It just seems to go in one ear and out of the other. Can't understand where their lack of passion has come from.

I guess because they came within 90 mins of being champions league winners having not so long ago finished 2nd in the league. I think if I was being asked to bust my arse at work and play what is archaic football compared to what we were to get nowhere near that, maybe 4th at the very, very best and win a two-bob cup, I’d probably be considering my options too. It’s hard to get motivated for lesser prizes when you’ve been gunning for the big ones for so long, even if you didn’t win them.

Not excusing it but as a human, that’s just very relatable to me. The top 4 is almost a separate league, so it’s like having Championship “best of the rest” mentality; and teams such as Wolves and Leicester look like making even that hard.

southlondonyiddo · Sep 15, 2020

Rob said:
Watching Ep 7 and Jose/Joao pull apart the Leizig and Chelsea loses, they're spot on and our players all look confused.

Not sure it’s a confused look, more a, Yeah, whatever!

Legacy · Sep 15, 2020

Spurs' Pipe Dreams said:
Yesterdays defeat will have hurt, Hugo, Kane, Dele, Son, Dier are all winners, all ready to push their teammates further

Strongly disagree with this bit, and the documentary only highlighted it further. Which of them pushed their teammates further against Everton? Or any of the other matches where the effort levels were clearly subpar. They can't even push themselves further when the going gets tough.

Instead, they end up being just as culpable as everybody else all game, but we get a few arsey, whiny complaints from Dele in the dressing room after the game.

Not a single player in our squad actually inspires or motivates either themselves or their teammates when needed, save for that one time Lloris bollocked Son. Absolute pansies, the lot of them. And no amount of Jose telling them they have to be ****s is going to change that. Further evidenced by the way they slump down like scared little children during all of those team briefings.

Legacy · Sep 15, 2020

Gb160 said:
Brilliant, Winksy single-handedly smashing down the 'footballers are thick' stereotypes right there!

Yeah, Winks wanting to make sure he used the correct version of a name with multiple variations was dumb as hell.

guiltyparty · Sep 15, 2020

Gb160 said:
I think maybe you’re seeing things that weren’t actually there mate.

This might be a crazy suggestion, but maybe Sunday’s result is clouding the opinions of some.

I wouldn’t pretend that Sunday’s dismal display has no effect. But the context of those episodes dropping after that is the reality. Of course as fans you take a wider view, but not everyone’s opinion align. That wouldn’t be the case before or after the documentary.

For what it’s worth, I like that José went in and stuck one up them. But ultimately the edits of what he’s telling them to do don’t align with how he operates and what we’re actually doing as a team, and generally I find the details are in the inbetweens, in all walks of life.

We don’t look like we’ve done any attacking planning at all, which completely aligns with what we know of José historically. As an attacking team primarily, that’s always something that’s going to grind. But when we’re not even defending well, and the team he is picking, and where he’s playing the players, doesn’t align with the aims either.

He has a huge task on his hands, no doubt. And no one wants him to succeed more than me. But the idea that the documentary has done lots of good I would very much argue against. If it influenced the decision of who should manage us, or the direction of the club at all, that is deeply problematic and I can’t help but think that it did. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s my opinion and is no less valid interpretation than anyone else’s given what we see and know.

Maybe without Covid we were set to go on a huge spending spree, who knows. Jose is the man for now, not for in 5 years. And we look as far from getting it together almost a year into his service than we did before.

southlondonyiddo · Sep 15, 2020

Legacy said:
Yeah, Winks wanting to make sure he used the correct version of a name with multiple variations was dumb as hell.

He recognised Pele straight away

spursfan77 · Sep 15, 2020

George94 said:
Not sure whether it’s because we lost yesterday (probably) but those last 3 episodes were just bloody depressing

I watched the first 10/15 minutes of episode 7 and turned it off. I don't know if I have the appetite to watch the rest of it.

Trotter · Sep 15, 2020

Dean said:
If the documentary, irrespective as to how condensed and edited it is, is anything to go by, you can't question the fact that Mourinho pushes the players. He can't help the fact that they play sloppy passes and he's pushing them to press and be aggressive. It just seems to go in one ear and out of the other. Can't understand where their lack of passion has come from.

Players are obviously not buying into this defend, defend, defend, when you get the ball just whack it up the field and hope one of the front 3 do something special with it style of football.

The manager needs to change or we need to change the manager.
A different voice was needed, but as things stand I think this is the worst appointment of Levy's tenure, and I now hope it ends quickly before irreparable damage is done to the squad

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