yido_number1
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Wow the BSODL are clubbing together these days. No point discussing anything with people that think Levy makes no mistakes and that we are anything other than an investment.
Realistic expectations for 2020-21?
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Saoirse
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Or when it gives the next Harry Kane his chance to play and break through. Even if it just gives the next generation of Jake Livermore, Ryan Mason, Andros Townsend and Steven Caulker the chance to play, prove themselves decent, and be sold on for £15m each, funding our next big signing. Or when we not only win a trophy at last but also get back into the Champions League.
Saoirse
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Nobody has argued that it's not an investment. Just that being an investor is by far the lesser evil when the alternative is corrupt oil barons or fascist dictators, and that plenty of clubs run by investors (i.e. the vast majority) win trophies.
yido_number1
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Or Liverpool or Leicesters owner who have actually invested in the playing staff and won stuff. Right now I'd take Abramovich or the Emiratees better than winning nothing and doing the minimum to maintain a level like Arse. We have literally become Arsenal now and you can see where they are headed for doing that.
yido_number1
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We aren't going to win it because when the important games stack up in February and march we will be broken as a squad.
thekneaf
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Thanks for doing this, I wanted to, but I couldn't muster the energyQuoted this here so as not to further fuck up the itk thread:
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Wow, look at all the business other clubs, particularly our direct rivals, have done compared to us ?
BringBack_leGin
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It’s ok, I’m happy to be the fall guy in these things. I’m like Batman ?
thekneaf
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Yeah, we hung onto a manager we loved for a decade too long until it all turned sour and hired a patsy in his place. Oh wait...
DiVaio
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That's not true at all, Liverpool owners invested similar amount of money that ENIC, last 3-5 years when their sqaud improved massively they made it with less net spend that we had. Average net spend since ENIC came is 17,6m per year, for Leicester owners it's 16,3 per year. With new stadium that will be only changing for bigger net spend for us, and it's also obvious that we invested more in non-playing stuff which also helps playing stuff to win.
And that is not the judgement of how much you invest in players.
Basically look at the % of turnover invested in the players (both capital and wages). Ours is way down on both of them, but our profits aren't.
DiVaio
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So with % of turnover we invested much, much more in players than Liverpool
Doctor Dinkey
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4 FA Cups in 7 years? If that’s failure I wouldn’t mind a piece of it!
Not a chance.
Again you are just taking capital expenditure, rather than wages alongside into account.
You do actually have to pay players, that is part of the investment, alongside agents fees and PL Transfer levy.
Liverpool are averaging approx 65% of revenue (with significantly greater revenue than us), us at 55% of turnover taking capital and wages into account. Leicester invest every penny they have available in players.
Premier League wages-to-turnover ratio (2018-19)
Everton - 85%
Leicester - 84%
Bournemouth - 83%
Crystal Palace* - 78%
Southampton - 77%
Brighton - 72%
West Ham - 71%
Fulham - 68%
Chelsea - 64%
Burnley - 64%
Man City - 59%
Arsenal - 59%
Liverpool - 58%
Watford - 57%
Huddersfield - 54%
Man Utd - 53%
Wolves - 53%
Newcastle* - 52%
Cardiff - 42%
Tottenham - 38%
And then take into account the profit we made, that season, the previous and following (total of over £400m by the way), and still tell me honestly that we have invested in players in comparison.
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BringBack_leGin
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No point arguing with MK mate, he’s SCs answer to Warren Buffett.
Or no point arguing, because I call out bullshit and spin for what it is you mean, as I did to you once, and you got butt-hurt about it, and obviously still are.
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HedgieSpur
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I'd start Ake over Toby or Dier. Or was your point that you don't think JOSE would start Ake over those two?
DiVaio
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Ake isn't good defender, not better than Toby/Dier and Davinson. Jose wouldn't start Ake over these three too.
stov
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Do you know what that 400m profit is being spent on?
BringBack_leGin
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It’s sweet that this is your perception. At least you’re happy
Never butt hurt, just don’t forget stunning levels of stupidity particularly easily so you’ve imprinted on my mind sweetheart.
