Player watch: Christian Eriksen

Japhet · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
I would have told him after the season to either accept being sold or not to play this season.

I believe in such a situation he would have accepted being sold. He might not be money oriented, but would he accept spending a year not playing? If he had then clearly there is nothing we could have done.

As long as Pochettino says it doesn´t matter if he signs or not he will only sign if he plays poorly and realises no-one wants him. If I were to guess he will now leave regardless - even for a smaller club than us.

That just sends an appalling message to all of the players and any that might be thinking of joining. Also, when Eriksen becomes a free agent, we might offer him the most tempting package of all. Nothing to stop us offering a big signing on fee and something that doesn't destroy our wage structure. If, with Eriksen's help, we put a good season together, he might just decide to stick around, but he won't if he gets kicked to the curb and bullied.

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

nailsy said:
But as mentioned above you can't sell a player without them agreeing to it. They have to sign a contract at the new club. Toby was available for £25m and he's still here because either no one was interested, or he made the decision to see out his contract. We've had no offers for Eriksen from club's he wants to join our he wouldn't be here. Threatening players with sitting on the bench or playing for the reserves doesn't always work either. If they call our bluff and say they're fine with getting paid to do nothing for a year then we have to fill the holes in the squad and replace them a season early. Would we have signed Ndomeble and Lo Celso this summer if we also needed to sign a CB and another midfielder as well? It's doubtful.

One thing that often gets overlooked in these situations is the strength of our academy. A lot of the time when a player leaves it creates a space for one of our youth players which will then results in their value rising. Looking back over the last five years we've generated over £50M by selling some of our ex-youth players. Promoting KWP to replace Trippier means that we have an extra £20M to spend on Toby/Eriksens replacements. Parrott replacing Jansen/Llorente gets us another £8M. Obviously in an ideal world you'd never lose a player for nothing, but developing our own players who cost us nothing certainly helps to offset the loses.

We don't know if anyone were interested in Alderweireld. If he has been told that he can play every game for Spurs for 1 year and then get paid of course he would choose to do so. It wouldn't necessarily have been the same if he knew he was not going to be prioritized for the next 12 months. Would he then have accepted to go to Roma? For all we know he would have taken that agreement, but we chose not to accept the bid.

How do you know we had no offers for Eriksen? For all we know we have said offer 100m or go away.

It is not threatening to rather play Sanchez and Lo Celso than Alderweireld and Eriksen. That is preparing for what happens after they leave.

I am baffled by the short term thinking on here. But maybe the world will end soon and this is all that matters...

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

Japhet said:
That just sends an appalling message to all of the players and any that might be thinking of joining. Also, when Eriksen becomes a free agent, we might offer him the most tempting package of all. Nothing to stop us offering a big signing on fee and something that doesn't destroy our wage structure. If, with Eriksen's help, we put a good season together, he might just decide to stick around, but he won't if he gets kicked to the curb and bullied.

Appalling? You mean playing players that are actually committed to the team? My guess players like Sanchez and Lo Celso would think that would be just fine. And potential new players as well.

Being the team that allows players to leave for a free certainly isn't much of a desirable position to be in - not suggesting we are there yet, but getting closer.

Japhet · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
Appealing? You mean playing players that are actually committed to the team? My guess players like Sanchez and Lo Celso would think that would be just fine. And potential new players as well.

Being the team that allows players to leave for a free certainly isn't much of a desirable position to be in - not suggesting we are there yet, but getting closer.

Appalling, not appealing.

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

Japhet said:
Appalling, not appealing.

Haha. Yes. Typo. I meant obviously mean appalling and understood you meant appalling as well.

Ron Burgundy · Sep 4, 2019

Question: is he going to be the most valuable (possibly even best) player to ever leave a team on a free?

Genuine question - I'm sure I'm missing some players but he quite possibly will be, which isn't great

Shadydan · Sep 4, 2019

Ron Burgundy said:
Question: is he going to be the most valuable (possibly even best) player to ever leave a team on a free?

Genuine question - I'm sure I'm missing some players but he quite possibly will be, which isn't great

Nah - Ballack, Pirlo, Cambiasso, Raul, Lewandowski

Probably the most valuable if you take inflation into account.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/11-footballs-best-free-transfers-ever?page=0,1

danielneeds · Sep 4, 2019

Ron Burgundy said:
Question: is he going to be the most valuable (possibly even best) player to ever leave a team on a free?

Genuine question - I'm sure I'm missing some players but he quite possibly will be, which isn't great

Lewandowksi's probably the most valuable free in the last 20 years, adjusting for transfer market inflation.

kaz Hirai · Sep 4, 2019

Ron Burgundy said:
Question: is he going to be the most valuable (possibly even best) player to ever leave a team on a free?

Genuine question - I'm sure I'm missing some players but he quite possibly will be, which isn't great

Sol Campbell was very valuable back in the day, every top club wanted him ....chose arsenal

Thankfully seems eriksen won't even consider United at this point

C1w8 · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
Appalling? You mean playing players that are actually committed to the team? My guess players like Sanchez and Lo Celso would think that would be just fine. And potential new players as well.

Being the team that allows players to leave for a free certainly isn't much of a desirable position to be in - not suggesting we are there yet, but getting closer.

I think youre ultimately placing a lot of power in the clubs hands by assuming he would sign for say a United or other bidder outside of his desired destinations.

IMO Eriksen isnt pulling an alexis sanchez, hes not looking for any destination with a giant salary, he wants one of two destinations which to this point havent materialised, so hes signed nowhere.

Would benching him for a season get him to sign on to a club he doesnt want to join..? Maybe...but the way hes approached this i think he'd rather sit out a season than to sign for 4 years at a club he doesnt want to join to for the sake of a higher salary - otherwise he'd have done that with us.

Ron Burgundy · Sep 4, 2019

Shadydan said:
Nah - Ballack, Pirlo, Cambiasso, Raul, Lewandowski

Probably the most valuable if you take inflation into account.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/11-footballs-best-free-transfers-ever?page=0,1

Lewandoswki, yeah, but as for the others...

Ballack was 30
Pirlo was 32
Raul was on the way down and no one major was in for him - it was us or Shalke

So we've been on the wrong side of two of the biggest ones ever

Shadydan · Sep 4, 2019

Ron Burgundy said:
Lewandoswki, yeah, but as for the others...

Ballack was 30
Pirlo was 32
Raul was on the way down and no one major was in for him - it was us or Shalke

So we've been on the wrong side of two of the biggest ones ever

Value is subjective though, certainly not the best but you can say up there.

I forgot Baggio, Mcmanaman...and Campbell (rather conveniently)

wrd · Sep 4, 2019

Ron Burgundy said:
Question: is he going to be the most valuable (possibly even best) player to ever leave a team on a free?

Genuine question - I'm sure I'm missing some players but he quite possibly will be, which isn't great

Could argue that Pogba is the most quantifiable valuable player to leave on a free considering the club he left paid 90 million to get him back. Obviously wasn't that level when he left but in terms of pure cost it's up there.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Sep 4, 2019

nailsy said:
I don't think he's necessarily having a go at Tottenham. He could just as easily be refering to Zidane not wanting him.

He's clearly a bit disappointed that he didn't get a move, but that's no real surprise. Hopefully he can do as he says and get his head down without being distracted for the next few months.

Exactly. People read whatever fits their agenda.

Personally I think he just meant he wishes things were sorted as easy FM but in the real world he has to wait for Madrid to approach the club, agree a fee etc... it's all out of his control. There was no disrespect meant to the club.

Ron Burgundy · Sep 4, 2019

wrd said:
Could argue that Pogba is the most quantifiable valuable player to leave on a free considering the club he left paid 90 million to get him back. Obviously wasn't that level when he left but in terms of pure cost it's up there.

Good shout - didn't think of that

'O Zio · Sep 4, 2019

jeremystorey said:
Basically moving toward more of a free agency model - akin to some of the US professional leagues (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc). There are no such things as 'transfers' in those leagues. You have free agents, or teams make trades.
It's certainly something you can see happening with how inflated transfer fees have become. It's not sustainable. And you can understand players feeling frustrated if they can't move on 'cos they've been valued out of reach.
Additionally, I also wouldn't be surprised if players started to sign shorter contracts, with opt-out options. Giving them more control over their future.

You've got a point regarding the free agency style system where players just honour their contracts and then see what's out there once they get to the end of each contract. I can see that happening more and more now that transfer fees have gotten so ridiculous. However, the US-style trading system wouldn't really work unless you fundamentally changed the way that players' contracts work.

In the US players are contracted to the team, but the team is a franchise of the league, so in a roundabout way they're sort of indirectly contracted to the league. Therefore when a player gets traded to a different team, they don't get a whole new contract, the new team just assumed control of the existing contract i.e. if you trade for a player who only has 6 months left on his contract, you do so knowing that you'll only have him for 6 month and then he'll be a free agent.

When PL players etc. change teams, they're not just being relocated to another franchise within the same umbrella, they're leaving their old company to go and work for a completely new company, and as a result they get an entire new contract. Changing things to be like the US system would be completely impractical and I Suspect it might be hard to fit in with our/Europe's employment laws etc.

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

C1w8 said:
I think youre ultimately placing a lot of power in the clubs hands by assuming he would sign for say a United or other bidder outside of his desired destinations.

IMO Eriksen isnt pulling an alexis sanchez, hes not looking for any destination with a giant salary, he wants one of two destinations which to this point havent materialised, so hes signed nowhere.

Would benching him for a season get him to sign on to a club he doesnt want to join..? Maybe...but the way hes approached this i think he'd rather sit out a season than to sign for 4 years at a club he doesnt want to join to for the sake of a higher salary - otherwise he'd have done that with us.

Maybe.

Not saying my approach doesn't have a risk - of course it comes with the risk of having a good player on the bench for a year. But for me that is the lesser evil compared to the high probability of losing him for nothing.

And not sure if I buy this "he will only move for Barcelona or RM". What happens if neither of them offer him much of a contract come summer 2020? Is he going to retire?

I don't know what we might have offered Eriksen. Maybe we are not willing to offer him a release clause, but that would be pretty absurd. If he was that set on just those two clubs - why wouldn't he take a deal with a low release clause for them? He would have secured his money from us, in case of for example an injury, and he would have made sure he doesn't end up signing for a smaller club out of necessity come summer 2020.

Shadydan · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
Maybe.

Not saying my approach doesn't have a risk - of course it comes with the risk of having a good player on the bench for a year. But for me that is the lesser evil compared to the high probability of losing him for nothing.

And not sure if I buy this "he will only move for Barcelona or RM". What happens if neither of them offer him much of a contract come summer 2020? Is he going to retire?

I don't know what we might have offered Eriksen. Maybe we are not willing to offer him a release clause, but that would be pretty absurd. If he was that set on just those two clubs - why wouldn't he take a deal with a low release clause for them? He would have secured his money from us, in case of for example an injury, and he would have made sure he doesn't end up signing for a smaller club out of necessity come summer 2020.

It all depends on Daniel Levy and there has to be another club too. Or I will sit down myself at the table and negotiate a new contract. You can’t set a date yourself. There aren’t many boxes that Tottenham don’t tick so if I have to move away, it would have to be a step up.

Well according to him if he doesn't get his desired move he stays.

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

Shadydan said:
Well according to him if he doesn't get his desired move he stays.

If that was the case why haven't he signed a new deal with a release clause? It would just make so much sense for both parties.

Shadydan · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
If that was the case why haven't he signed a new deal with a release clause? It would just make so much sense for both parties.

Because maybe he wants the power to be in his hands...

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