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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

the lad

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Strengthening a rival - stupid is as stupid does. We have forced ourselves into this situation by not renegotiating the contract and removal of release clause after his first season with us.
 

King of Otters

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Come on you water living mammal a bit of haggling? £70M for a 29 year old who goes for £25M next season?

The end result is the same though. £70 mill (if the figure is that high), is nothing to Utd, just like £30 mill was nothing to them a few years back when they took Berbatov off us.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Is it really that different to Carrick or Berbatov? Utd decide they want one of our players and after a bit of haggling they get their man. We've already seen how they react when the shoe is on the other foot.
But for Berbatov and Carrick read Kane and Eriksen. Point is, we’re choosing who we are prepared to sell unlike the past
 

KILLA_SIN

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But for Berbatov and Carrick read Kane and Eriksen. Point is, we’re choosing who we are prepared to sell unlike the past
The end result is the same though. £70 mill (if the figure is that high), is nothing to Utd, just like £30 mill was nothing to them a few years back when they took Berbatov off us.
We don’t have to sell to United.
 

King of Otters

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But for Berbatov and Carrick read Kane and Eriksen. Point is, we’re choosing who we are prepared to sell unlike the past

If it is indeed a choice, then it's not one I understand.

Utd finished above us last season, knocked us out of the FA Cup, and we're choosing to sell them a defender who walks into their first xi?

Whichever way you slice it, and I'm anticipating plenty of spin on this in the coming weeks, it's a small time move.
 

james Stock

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According to ITK Toby was happy with a proposed salary, then he moved the goal posts, and Poch was not amused. It's clear that the manager wants all the players pushing in one direction. Added to that there is the fact that he can leave for less a year from now.

He has missed a significant number of games due to injury over the last two seasons, and his form is patchy. He looks a bit slower and at 29 his future is not clear. There have been hints that he would like to stay now that bigger pay deals are being struck, but once a decision has been made Poch is unlikely to budge.

Let's not forget Toby rocked the boat, let's also look at his recent form. Fifty or seventy mill for a CB who is probably not fully committed is a good outcome, given that we paid 11 mill for him. I think we will bring in a new CB, one who is hungry and will be around for more than a couple of years, and is less likely to suffer serious injury.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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If it is indeed a choice, then it's not one I understand.

Utd finished above us last season, knocked us out of the FA Cup, and we're choosing to sell them a defender who walks into their first xi?

Whichever way you slice it, and I'm anticipating plenty of spin on this in the coming weeks, it's a small time move.
It’s the only choice, according to multiple sources. What else? Have a disgruntled bench warmer for a year then sell for less than half the money? This isn’t comparable to Berbatov and Carrick, we’re keeping the bulk of our best players and extorting a huge wedge from a club infamous lately for being really wasteful with their money
 

robertgoulet

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The end result is the same though. £70 mill (if the figure is that high), is nothing to Utd, just like £30 mill was nothing to them a few years back when they took Berbatov off us.
It doesn’t matter what the money is like to United. It matters what the money is like to us. That’s the only thing that matters.
 

King of Otters

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It’s the only choice, according to multiple sources. What else? Have a disgruntled bench warmer for a year then sell for less than half the money? This isn’t comparable to Berbatov and Carrick, we’re keeping the bulk of our best players and extorting a huge wedge from a club infamous lately for being really wasteful with their money

Let's be honest, it's the only choice because we've priced him out of a move elsewhere.

Given the choice between selling abroad and selling for a 50% markup to a domestic rival, Levy will invariably plump for the latter.

That's the problem.

No amount of spin will ever convince me that Man Utd are the only club in Europe interested in Toby.
 

sunnydelight786

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Let me get this straight first NO WAY do I want Toby to leave & especially not to a direct rival but after what happened with Judas 17 years back Levy will not got played again.

Yes I’m aware Toby still has 2 years on his contract left (if we take our option up, which we will) but that concludes with him leaving for a knockdown fee in this current market. Levy/Enic will not allow that to happen hence will try to extract every last penny out of this deal now.

But line is whatever fee we get for him it will cost us pretty much that sum to replace him...
 

sam1972

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Remember how cocksure everyone was 18 months or so ago that the days of us selling our best players to domestic rivals were over?

For better or worse, Levy is a business man, and he will sell anyone if the price is right.
Every club will sell any player if the price is right.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Let me get this straight first NO WAY do I want Toby to leave & especially not to a direct rival but after what happened with Judas 17 years back Levy will not got played again.

Yes I’m aware Toby still has 2 years on his contract left (if we take our option up, which we will) but that concludes with him leaving for a knockdown fee in this current market. Levy/Enic will not allow that to happen hence will try to extract every last penny out of this deal now.

But line is whatever fee we get for him it will cost us pretty much that sum to replace him...
We replaced him with Sanchez last season.

Negotiations with Toby have been going on for well over a year - we bought Sanchez, in part, because we could not reach a deal with Toby last summer. We were already preparing to let him go this summer if we could not reach a deal.
 

ButchCassidy

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Let's be honest, it's the only choice because we've priced him out of a move elsewhere.

Given the choice between selling abroad and selling for a 50% markup to a domestic rival, Levy will invariably plump for the latter.

That's the problem.

No amount of spin will ever convince me that Man Utd are the only club in Europe interested in Toby.
Perhaps they are the only club interested at the wages he is demanding...

Didnt work that way for Modric.
 

DannyNZ

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70m for a 29 year old who has been a fantastic player in his time at Spurs but is now essentially a back up to Sanchez, seems like a hell of a bit of business and if the 70m and big salary can be used to strengthen our starting 11 then even better.
 

Finchyid

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Herc said manager had said to shift toby that’s enough for me, dont care who it is too either!

Its sad cos i liked toby but he burnt his bridges
 

mdharris

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The fear is that we are selling to a direct rival one of the best defenders in world football. I like Sanchez but at the moment (and I suspect for the next couple of years) he is no match for a fully fit Alderweireld.

I don’t want to wish anything less than a full recovery for Toby but part of me hopes that he won’t hit the heights we saw of him the year before last. Utd would be greatly strengthened if he does.
 

dtxspurs

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Offer the entire amount to Lazio for SMS. That's how we come out on top of this deal.

I know it isn't going to happen but thats what I would try.
 

allatsea

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I’d still try it. He might sign. Poch picked him at the end of the season purely so he could go to the WC, so the relationship between Poch and Toby is probably good or at worst salvageable. The problem appears to be between Levy and Toby’s dad. But I argue that Toby is the best CB in the EPL (or maybe second to Jan), and we’d do better next year with him already acclimatised rather than spending £55m on the still developing DeLigt, and use the money on a top drawer CM rather than gambling on Grealish.

I would imagine Poch selected him to tell the world he is fit to play and to encourage good bids for his sale.
 

allatsea

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Let's be honest, it's the only choice because we've priced him out of a move elsewhere.

Given the choice between selling abroad and selling for a 50% markup to a domestic rival, Levy will invariably plump for the latter.

That's the problem.

No amount of spin will ever convince me that Man Utd are the only club in Europe interested in Toby.

You talk as if money doesn’t matter. If we are clever the extra 25 million or so we could get from Man United could make a real difference to us and who we buy. Plus this is for a player who hardly played last season and also missed a good part of the season before.
 
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