What our opponents' fans are saying

For the love of Spurs · Nov 19, 2015

I wonder if Glastonspur even knows what other Spurs fan think of him for acting like an idiot on a United forum. Also if any United fans are browsing can you tell Glastonspur on the red cafe forum just to stop, it's embrassing.

Lilbaz · Nov 19, 2015

For the love of Spurs said:
I wonder if Glastonspur even knows what other Spurs fan think of him for acting like an idiot on a United forum. Also if any United fans are browsing can you tell Glastonspur on the red cafe forum just to stop, it's embrassing.

I somehow doubt he bothers going on spurs sites.

Cornpattbuck · Nov 19, 2015

Shadydan said:
Jesus, not this again. There's nothing lucky about beating Arsenal, Liverpool and City away from home no matter how much you want to put spin on it.

Some of you laugh at the bias shown towards their own team yet some of us in here is guilty of doing the same thing, it's actually ridiculous.

Eh? Bit of an over reaction, surely?!

Cornpattbuck · Nov 19, 2015

tommo84 said:
That's true to an extent, but its over the top to say that Liverpool dominate them. Liverpool were dreaful or 90 minutes that day, and some credit hs to be give to West Ham for how quickly they started. Arsenal were off-colour against them too, but you have to concede that West Ham did an excellent job of stiflng them.

Fair points. Some people just seem to be wetting the bed with fear when I don't particularly think it's deserved having watched them play this year.

Shadydan · Nov 19, 2015

Gb160 said:
Not saying the performances weren't impressive, but to score from your first two attempts on goal, in successive games, is lucky.

And there's nothing lucky about keeping an attacking team at bay for the rest of the game, how don't you get this?

It's akin to people saying that we are lucky to beat Man City cause two of our goals were offside not taking into account how well we played throughout the game offensively and defensively for the whole 90 mins.

Riandor · Nov 19, 2015

Lucky or not, it doesn't matter. They could "luck" their way to top four and all history would remember is they qualified for the CL that season and presumably at our expense.

You could say we had our fair share of luck vs City and yet by and large most ignore it and focus on our good run. Well all teams need some luck if they are to win the league or achieve a high finish and all teams who do so usually capitalised on this luck by using the positive momentum to garner further results.

So we can sit here and bitch how we deserve to be above West ham all we like, the fact is too many are quick to behave precisely as we are accused of and accuse man United fans of, arrogance.

Respect your opposition, earn the bragging rights (if you have to), but earn them first! No one says anyone has to like each other and I certainly don't understand the hostility of West ham towards us, but rise above it.

May the best team win on Sunday, plain and simple and yes, I obviously hope it's us.

But to each their own.

Geyzer Soze · Nov 19, 2015

Riandor said:
May the best team win on Sunday, plain and simple and yes, I obviously hope it's us.

fuck that shit, may we win ... best team or not!!!

Riandor · Nov 19, 2015

Shadydan said:
And there's nothing lucky about keeping an attacking team at bay for the rest of the game, how don't you get this?

It's akin to people saying that we are lucky to beat Man City cause two of our goals were offside not taking into account how well we played throughout the game offensively and defensively for the whole 90 mins.

We were lucky, but we earned our luck due to our performance.
What we also did was use that luck like I said previously, to enhance our own belief and continue the run.
I do believe we can carry that run onwards, but I personally remain weary of West Ham, more so than say Chelsea (even a Chelsea not going through a slump) and that's because we have fallen flat our noses more than once in recent times against exactly this kind of opposition.

Riandor · Nov 19, 2015

Geyzer Soze said:
fuck that shit, may we win ... best team or not!!!

Well yes, I don't care if we smash and grab as long as we get the 3 points, I was just kinda being courteous I guess.

Cornpattbuck · Nov 19, 2015

Shadydan said:
And there's nothing lucky about keeping an attacking team at bay for the rest of the game, how don't you get this?

It's akin to people saying that we are lucky to beat Man City cause two of our goals were offside not taking into account how well we played throughout the game offensively and defensively for the whole 90 mins.

Fair dos. Not really fussed about arguing the merits of West Ham all day. It was a throw away comment and didn't really expect it to hit any nerves on here...
Never said this weekend will be easy or anything, but I do think we'll win.

Shadydan · Nov 19, 2015

Riandor said:
We were lucky, but we earned our luck due to our performance.
What we also did was use that luck like I said previously, to enhance our own belief and continue the run.
I do believe we can carry that run onwards, but I personally remain weary of West Ham, more so than say Chelsea (even a Chelsea not going through a slump) and that's because we have fallen flat our noses more than once in recent times against exactly this kind of opposition.

Right and this is the point...you don't get lucky, you earn your luck and too many people are using luck to take away from the fact that it was deserved. Only in extreme circumstances you can say teams get lucky which is rare, for example Portsmouth against Utd in the FA Cup 2007 where they were battered and yet still won the game they were lucky. There's nothing lucky about scoring with your first shot at goal, you wouldn't say Kane gets lucky by scoring with his first strike so why are we applying it to other teams when it suits us?

Shadydan · Nov 19, 2015

Cornpattbuck said:
Fair dos. Not really fussed about arguing the merits of West Ham all day. It was a throw away comment and didn't really expect it to hit any nerves on here...
Never said this weekend will be easy or anything, but I do think we'll win.

Didn't hit any nerves mate lol

Just I have this argument all the time and notably with fans saying that Spurs have been lucky this season blah blah blah

Gb160 · Nov 19, 2015

Shadydan said:
There's nothing lucky about scoring with your first shot at goal

Statistically there is, to do it with your first two attempts is even luckier, to do that is successive matches is even luckier still.
Not sure why this is so hard for u to understand.

dudu · Nov 19, 2015

Gb160 said:
Not saying the performances weren't impressive, but to score from your first two attempts on goal, in successive games, is lucky.

Its not lucky - just improbable.

dudu · Nov 19, 2015

Gb160 said:
Statistically there is, to do it with your first two attempts is even luckier, to do that is successive matches is even luckier still.
Not sure why this is so hard for u to understand.

Not sure you can cite luck in statistical terms mate -

yid1o · Nov 19, 2015

Lilbaz said:
I somehow doubt he bothers going on spurs sites.

Wasn't he on COYS way back? I seem to remember his name. I would check but was banned years ago

Gb160 · Nov 19, 2015

dudu said:
Its not lucky - just improbable.

Wouldn't you say that to repeat something that's statistically improbable , then it could be described as lucky (or unlucky, depending on what it is) ?

Gb160 · Nov 19, 2015

yid1o said:
Wasn't he on COYS way back? I seem to remember his name. I would check but was banned years ago

Not u as well?...did u try to log in without a shirt and tie on?

dudu · Nov 19, 2015

Gb160 said:
Wouldn't you say that to repeat something that's statistically improbable , then it could be described as lucky (or unlucky, depending on what it is) ?

Not really - i dont really believe in the idea of luck - especially when there are so many factors at play as there are in a90 inute game of football.

C0YS · Nov 19, 2015

Gb160 said:
Statistically there is, to do it with your first two attempts is even luckier, to do that is successive matches is even luckier still.
Not sure why this is so hard for u to understand.

As has been said, it is statistically improbable not lucky.

If a team scores with a single shot in a game, the shot was a good one. Not unlucky. If a team scores with every shot is that unlucky? No, it shows that they are very accurate with their shots. The same can be applied to a single game, if you had two shots and scored two goals it shows you made your chances count, not that you were lucky.

The lucky thing really does annoy me. Particularly when people seem to think hitting the post is unlucky, you wouldn't say they were unlucky if they missed the goal completely, yet there is no real difference between the two. Hitting the post is a miss, all it means is you got close.

Luck can only really be applied to times were a team has benefited from a poor decision, and a series of improbable events that led to the benefit of the team, which has nothing to do with the actual actions of the players. This could be a player getting injured that leads to playing everyone onside, to maybe a balloon entering the pitch and diverting the ball away from goal. Luck does not apply to teams that effectively take their chances, nor to teams who create little but effectively take their chances. To be lucky can also be when the opposition team fails to benefit on what should of really ended up in a goal ect.

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