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You're being an idiot!
I'm not sure your qualified to make that level of psychiatric evaluation.
You're being an idiot!
AVB had one of the top 5 attackers (arguably the best outside of Messi and Ronaldo) for 38 of those games.
For those 38 games he also had in Sigurdsson and Dempsey two guys who’d scored nearly 30 between them in the Premier League the previous season. Southampton had Championship proven Ricky Lambert.
prime Adebayor,
AVB then lost Bale, but had Soldado, who had scored fewer than only Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the previous 5 La Liga seasons. He had Lamela, who had scored 15 in the previous season’s Serie A. He had Chadli, who had scored 12 the previous season in Erevidsie. He had Capoue, who had scored 7 in the previous season’s Lique 1. He had Eriksen, who had scored 10 in the previous season’s Erevedsie. He had Paulinho, who had scored 1 in 4 on average over the previous 4 years for Corinthians. Southampton had the ultimately failed lunatic that is Dani Osvaldo, and Premiership Proven Ricky Lambert.
Can we please stop with the AVB chat?
It's boring and tiresome in the extreme and this is the ratings vs QPR thread so not the place for the discussion to take place. (Not that we need a place to discuss AVB vs Pochettino.)
I really think this is a ridiculous and over zealous stance to take.
These threads take winding turns, you can't always stick to a script in ever thread, it's how some of the best conversations and debates occur.
AVB was part of our immediate history, and players he brought in or influenced (or fucked up - whatever you choose) are still here. He is bound to crop up and it's daft trying to airbrush him out of every conversation.
In this instance we are comparing a style of play and the benefits/otherwise therein. It's just the normal evolution of a meandering conversation.
Sigh, I am not trying to airbrush AVB out of every conversation (when have I tried previously to suggest I have tried?) When I come into a thread titled "Ratings Vs QPR" I expect a discussion on how our players played in the game against QPR and not some inane comparison between AVB's goals per game and points per game as our manager and Pochettino's goals per game and points per game as Southampton as they are completely irrelevant in discussing who will end up being looked upon as the better spurs manager/head coach in the future.
But hey in responding to your post I have done exactly what I asked if people could stop doing so well played.
But you can't always stick to a script.
Could be Capoue Schneiderlin mf, not to shabby.You can't look at the game and the performance coherently without looking at the opposition. QPR setting up with 3 centre halves when we only play one up top doesn't make any sense at all. As we saw with Sunderland last season the stronger side with better players (Spurs) dominate possession meaning the wing backs can't get forward and subsequently the Spurs full backs can get forward almost unchecked and unchallenged until they get to the penalty box.
It's a daft system to play against a stronger outfit and coupled with some very iffy and lazy defensive work from their midfield and forwards (Barton aside) they really played pretty shit.
Next week we'll be the true barometer and I can't say I'm hugely optimistic when I look at the midfield especially...
Could be Capoue Schneiderlin mf, not to shabby.
One could say that chat about AVB is as boring as the football we played under him.Can we please stop with the AVB chat?
It's boring and tiresome in the extreme and this is the ratings vs QPR thread so not the place for the discussion to take place. (Not that we need a place to discuss AVB vs Pochettino.)
But you do stick to a script and that is what is dragging the thread OT. The constant, shrill spin of history and manipulation of statistics to post-rationalise your rigid conviction that you were 'right all along' about the long-gone AVB is wearing. It now attracts irritation and satire in equal measure: people have started to take the piss out of your monomania, instead of teeing off on it.
We got a lot of points under AVB because we had good players and because he was a pretty effective manager for us. But he had limitations and gigantic blind spots, not dissimilar to those that fucked up Hoddle's tenure with us. Most of those blind spots were to do with a clumsiness, a heavy-handedness in handling the febrile personalities that comprise a Premiership football squad; the rest of them were born of an 'I never played the game' inclination to follow theory instead of observation (much like yourself).
But fuck the statistics and the PPG. The main problem last season was that our football was grim, boring and virtually unwatchable. I hated it and I'm nowhere near alone. I'd go to WHL every fortnight and end up starting to groan and grumble around the 30th minute, trying not to boo reflexively, because I don't approve of booing our own team.
There are several people on SC (I'm not amongst them) who have recently posted that they would rather finish (say) 6th playing as we played against QPR than finish higher up the table playing the way we played last season. That says something about what we want, collectively, as fans, and about how pissed off many of us were last season at what we were watching for the money we were spending.
Football is entertainment. It is obliged to be beautiful, not just successful. That's especially a traditional aspiration for Spurs fans, more so than (say) Bolton fans or Stoke fans. Or even Chelsea fans.
AVB knows what he is doing - he's competent and capable. That doesn't mean he was the right manager for us, nor that he is a genius, nor that he is irreplaceable, nor that I and others are obliged to approve of his approach to football. I'm glad he's gone and that we can get back to trying to play with respect for the beautiful game again. We won't do it every week. We did it on Sunday against weak opposition. We'll find out next weekend whether we can impose it on better opponents.
But at least we're trying to play the game properly again.
Strange then that we were trying to sign nearly half of their team this summer.
According to...Ignoring all the what if's and but but but..the fact is we were interested in signing Lovren, Shaw, Lalana, Schneiderlin & Rodriguez. So they can't be too shabby.
I think we all need some tea and cake.
You are a sanctimonious hypocrite Matzdorf. And your posts on here are invariably as tedious as your fucking music.
That's an amazingly obnoxious response to my critical-but-polite and considered post.
You really are an unpleasant, arrogant ****.
My disrespect for your mentality has now been joined by an intense dislike of you personally. Don't expect further politeness from me next time you open your big, self-justifying, monomanical, observation-averse, insight-free and long-winded gob.