A Positive Danny Rose Post
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Tottenham_God
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Fair post.
But in my opinion Danny Rose is a terrible terrible left back, hope he can change my mind tho.
But in my opinion Danny Rose is a terrible terrible left back, hope he can change my mind tho.
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Or, perhaps the signing of some proper competition for his spot has opened his eyes a bit and made him realise that he will have to fight for the job. I'm always prepared to give someone another chance, if they have shown signs of promise, but on the attitude alone that he displayed when away on loan (claiming he was too good for lower sides, lazy in training, sloppy, stroppy and general prima-donna-ness) it leads me to think he is another young player who has bought his own hype and believes he deserves a shot that, frankly, he has not earned.
Looking at his general attitude on the pitch, the OP mentions how other teams are targetting him as our weak link - maybe that's because they too see him, every match, bombing forward and then wombling back like he's got all day about it. It wasn't a hard tactic to figure out that, if Rose is playing then counter and hoof the ball down his flank, you'll have all the space in the world (and don't anybody bother trying to suggest any of our CB's should be fanning out to cover him, considering they've been forced to play almost on the half way line for most of the season, and none of whom have any pace to speak of). He CANNOT have missed this - if he hasn't noticed the pattern that formed quite early and persisted throughout the season then i have no time for him.
Combine the two and you get someone who believes they are already great and apparently isn't concerned about this clearly huge fail to his game - if he isn't prepared to adapt and take constructive criticism then what other options do we have? Certainly not building a team around him, but i have a feeling that's the sort of thing his ego would be satisfied with.
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What a load of guff, honestly what are you some sort of amateur psychologist? You've basically made up a whole load of shite and passed it off as fact, unless you're some sort of ITK or know what's happening inside the club or if you actually know the boy personally, you're just speculating to enhance your argument when in truth you don't even know what you're talking about.
What is this attitude?, I've asked this before but you keep bringing this up, in fact many people keep talking about yet haven't really backed it up with any evidence. His footballing ability needs working on that isn't even up for debate, is it because he 'puffs out his chest’. Send him to the naughty step, is it because he sometimes gets involved in spats with other players..fine him a weeks wages, we can't be having that kind of behaviour! If we're judging him on his time under Sherwood then fuck me, you may as well say the same thing about the likes of Paulinho, Sandro, Vertonghen, Lennon, Soldado, Dembele...they were all rebelling against tactical Tim in one way or another whether it'll be on the pitch or off it. Rose was often left exposed by Tim's tactics meaning that he had no left side cover, this doesn't excuse the failure to track back but an open mind will tell you that it's probably a catalyst as to why he wasn't tracking as much...The boy clearly needs direction and tactical structure, Poch has obviously seen that and is happy to keep him here but you'd think he has absolutely no ability going by the majority our bandwagon jumping fan base...so tell me if he deserves the vitriol the fans have been giving him pray tell me why the club have seen him fit enough to give him another 5 years?
Its funny how players like Vertonghen, Keane, Berbatov are revered on the pitch yet all three you could easily say that they have attitude as well. Robbie Keane used to point, shout and moan around the pitch, used to sulk when he got subbed and wasn't picked and assaulted a fellow team mate yet he was seen as a hero (before he sneaked away to Liverpool) yet Danny puffs out his chest he is seen as the devil reincarnate, baffling.
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Erm... i sort of answered the questions you put there in the post you quoted.
The "evidence" is the news articles (which, no, i can't be arsed to go find) regarding the concerns over his attitude at loan clubs and comments made by the managers he played under, the forms posts on them clubs respective forums (no, again, too lazy and really don't care that much if you believe me or not) regarding the way he was acting on and off the pitch, the fact that we have seen, with our own eyes, the way he reacts to his defensive duties and how that repeatedly left the team wide, wide open - sure, blame the manager, but there is such thing as making the best of a bad situation and perhaps if he had opened his gait a little more and shown the same tenacity getting back as he did trying to get forward, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
He is little more than average as a player in the skills department, though has shown promise in the past - how many years can someone show promise before you have to wonder if that is as good as it gets? We've had this before with so many youngsters at Spurs, and it didn't help that he scored a worldie on his debut against the Woolwich, yet he talks and acts like with an arrogance like he belongs at the top table and wouldn't accept anything less - a trait you praise as showing drive and desire, but if you've not got the necessary to be there? Where does that leave you?
His game hasn't improved at all since he debuted for us, if anything it's gone downhill as each week has passed - now he has some actual competition who is, arguably, a more rounded player with a far more suitably defensive attitude, perhaps he will realise he has to knuckle down else he would be where he said he wouldn't be - on the bench.
As i clearly said, prepared to give anyone a second chance, but why make so much effort for a very, very average player when there are better out there who don't swag about all over the shop, like they've got something to brag about.
The "evidence" is the news articles (which, no, i can't be arsed to go find) regarding the concerns over his attitude at loan clubs and comments made by the managers he played under, the forms posts on them clubs respective forums (no, again, too lazy and really don't care that much if you believe me or not) regarding the way he was acting on and off the pitch, the fact that we have seen, with our own eyes, the way he reacts to his defensive duties and how that repeatedly left the team wide, wide open - sure, blame the manager, but there is such thing as making the best of a bad situation and perhaps if he had opened his gait a little more and shown the same tenacity getting back as he did trying to get forward, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
He is little more than average as a player in the skills department, though has shown promise in the past - how many years can someone show promise before you have to wonder if that is as good as it gets? We've had this before with so many youngsters at Spurs, and it didn't help that he scored a worldie on his debut against the Woolwich, yet he talks and acts like with an arrogance like he belongs at the top table and wouldn't accept anything less - a trait you praise as showing drive and desire, but if you've not got the necessary to be there? Where does that leave you?
His game hasn't improved at all since he debuted for us, if anything it's gone downhill as each week has passed - now he has some actual competition who is, arguably, a more rounded player with a far more suitably defensive attitude, perhaps he will realise he has to knuckle down else he would be where he said he wouldn't be - on the bench.
As i clearly said, prepared to give anyone a second chance, but why make so much effort for a very, very average player when there are better out there who don't swag about all over the shop, like they've got something to brag about.
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I will single out your last paragraph though - comparing these three to Danny Rose is hilarious - Vertonghen has been touted as a superstar in the making for a while now, and not only by us, and the other two have proven, on so many levels, that they were in fact the real deal.
Lets wait until Rose is into his mid 30's then go over this comparison again, see who has the most gold stars on their report sheet.
Something fun to look forward to
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"It didn't help"..listen to yourself ffs
God forbid one of our players scored a worldie against our rivals no doubt and he gains confidence from it.So hang on wait these supposed news article in which rather conveniently you can't be asked to go and find and comments made by previous managers, honestly mate you don't have a clue do you, you're just making stuff up. Well you've made the claim so you should do the decent thing of actually backing it up rather than passing it off as hearsay.
His game has actually improved if you've bothered to follow him, wasn't a myth that he performed very well up at Sunderland as he actually got a run of games up there and under AVB he was getting better, check the Norwich home game for reference where he was one of our best players but since he got injured then came back and played under Tim he got worse just like a number of our players...that's not really saying much though.
Again I'll reiterate, the club have handed him a 5 year contract, he hasn't gone into Levy's office waving a gun (although I wouldn't put it past you if you actually believed that anyway) they have seen that he has potential and it needs nurturing which is why we signed a manager who is known to nurture talent. If he is a 'very very average player' and if he is indeed arrogant and all the other stuff you've made up yada yada yada then you're not questioning me, you're questioning the chairman and the manager's judgement, it's as simple as that.
I will single out your last paragraph though - comparing these three to Danny Rose is hilarious - Vertonghen has been touted as a superstar in the making for a while now, and not only by us, and the other two have proven, on so many levels, that they were in fact the real deal.
Lets wait until Rose is into his mid 30's then go over this comparison again, see who has the most gold stars on their report sheet.
Something fun to look forward to
Eh? I'm not comparing their ability, I'm comparing their demeanour and their supposed behaviour on the pitch...Unless you think that those players have earnt the right to strop their way around the pitch without any sort of retribution from the fans...
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You can't dine out on a worldie forever though, just ask Bentley...."It didn't help"..listen to yourself ffs
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He was class at Sunderland and he has the physical attributes to be a cracking left-back. He is still fairly young and if coached right on his positioning and he improves his final ball think we could have two very promising young British LB's battling it out.
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I thought this thread was about Danny's STD results.
Ah well ... better luck next time
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Ah well ... better luck next time
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"It didn't help"..listen to yourself ffs
So hang on wait these supposed news article in which rather conveniently you can't be asked to go and find and comments made by previous managers, honestly mate you don't have a clue do you, you're just making stuff up. Well you've made the claim so you should do the decent thing of actually backing it up rather than passing it off as hearsay.
His game has actually improved if you've bothered to follow him... blah blah blah
I get it, you like the swaggering, frowning, one-hit wonder type, but if you think cajoling me into bothering is going to work
Hi, Rocksuperstar, laziest motherfucker you will ever meet.
I also know that even if i did go dredging the articles/threads up you'd still palm it off as internet waffle, so what's the point?
Accuse me all you like of not having a clue - i do have an opinion and, as it wants, i aired it - you're the one getting all warm in the pants about it. And besides:
"Yeah, well, y'know, that's just your opinion, man"
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C'mon you miserable bastards, nothing wrong with a positive thread.
He'll have healthy competition for a spot at left back so he'll have to play well to be starting games. If he doesn't play well we still sell him for a big profit - the new contract for Rose is really a win-win for the club.
He'll have healthy competition for a spot at left back so he'll have to play well to be starting games. If he doesn't play well we still sell him for a big profit - the new contract for Rose is really a win-win for the club.
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I was more concerned about his comments that he wanted first team football or he'd be off more than his performances to be honest.
Some are on the fence about Davies but if he'd had a season like Rose had at Sunderland a lot more would be very positive about his signing.
Davies signing suggested Rose would be off but he is staying and signed a new contract so maybe his stance of 1st team football isn't as black and white and non-compromising as many think.
I believe with the right system he's a good left back.
BAE did a good job holding the left side on his own while Bale did his thing. Rose couldn't but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a hope.
I'm on the fence with Rose and happy to give time to any youngster who works hard and tries to improve his game.
Some are on the fence about Davies but if he'd had a season like Rose had at Sunderland a lot more would be very positive about his signing.
Davies signing suggested Rose would be off but he is staying and signed a new contract so maybe his stance of 1st team football isn't as black and white and non-compromising as many think.
I believe with the right system he's a good left back.
BAE did a good job holding the left side on his own while Bale did his thing. Rose couldn't but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a hope.
I'm on the fence with Rose and happy to give time to any youngster who works hard and tries to improve his game.
Shadydan
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Right ok then
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Your info is a bit wonky
Danny Rose was injuried during the Europa game in september. At that point spurs had the best defence in Europe.
He returned from injury pretty much the same time avb was sacked in december. Mr naughton and occasionally vertonghen were our left backs with extremely dodgy and varied results
It was under peter griffin and Cleveland brown that he looked a complete defensive liability along with Kaboul, vertonghen, and Dawson so unlike most I'm still willing to see how he does under a proper coach rather than a cartoon
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I think it's time to stop using the internet for a while. Some questionable conclusions in this post which smacks of immaturity.
Confidence is the single most important factor in sport - how does anyone expect our young players to have a chance at making it when our fans are so quick to get on their backs? Its a serious problem IMO.
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There's a great book written by Eamon Dunphy called Only a Game that all football fans should read if they get the chance, it's basically his diary from a season playing for Millwall, It will open the eyes of a lot of fans who single out individual players over there attitude & basically confirms that no-matter who the player is they won't be happy if there not playing or think the manager is hopeless. There's a small bit in the book about how the fans can destroy players confidence with the abuse they get & some promising youngsters never recovered from it & were lost to the game & senior players who had previously performed well careers nosedived because of fan abuse.
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