Why?Pretty bad - that comment
Why?Pretty bad - that comment
Pretty bad - that comment
On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?
Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?
I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.
His display of arrogance, passion and fight can understandably divide people's views (like for instance people like Mourinho or Van Gaal) but I would not make a calculated decision based on that. Personally, I love the way Tim expresses himself, it's great to see the passion, drive and that toe to toe approach that has reflected in the team as the season progressed. I loved the confrontation with the Benfica coach, his fuming post match interview after the Chelsea game, I've liked his chest thumping of achievements stats (even if they are debatable), I loved the way he has honestly said that he loves the club and its been an honour for him.
For me, having spent much of my Spurs supporting life (since the cup in '91) watching us roll over and letting teams come through, I want a bit of Tim's fighting spirit in our club.
If it isn't to be then I say thank you very much Tim and wish you all the very best (if you don't want to stay on as development coach).
The thrashings under him were as hard to take as the ones under AVB, but averaging over 59% for wins is impressive in any case, even more so in the context of half of the season following the upheaval that went before it.Just a thought, is he saying this based on points per game ratio during his time in charge? If so then thats fair enough imo and Ive taken it out of context.
If not then its the dumbass comment I thought it was to start with lol.
The article says. .. based on his points per game, across a whole season - we wouldn't have qualified.
"The 3-0 final-day defeat of Aston Villa meant Sherwood finished the season with a win percentage of 59% - the best of any Spurs boss in Premier League history but lower than the top four finishers."
Tim has done a good job in terms of getting points on the board. However, as Limehouse states a 59% win ratio would NOT have secured CL football. In fact we would have needed a whopping 80 points to leapfrog the Gooners as the table ended up, but to me it is not about his percentages.
Not going to go through it all again. You're constantly digging up the same argument with everyone and it's so boring. The points for why everything you've just said is rubbish have been made numerous times. He's going to be gone by next season, get over it.
Brilliant analytic response which is consistent with pretty much every response I get when I make my points - i.e. "Rubbish" or "Doh!!"
You guys are the height of football knowledge and intelligence.
On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?
Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?
I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.
His display of arrogance, passion and fight can understandably divide people's views (like for instance people like Mourinho or Van Gaal) but I would not make a calculated decision based on that. Personally, I love the way Tim expresses himself, it's great to see the passion, drive and that toe to toe approach that has reflected in the team as the season progressed. I loved the confrontation with the Benfica coach, his fuming post match interview after the Chelsea game, I've liked his chest thumping of achievements stats (even if they are debatable), I loved the way he has honestly said that he loves the club and its been an honour for him.
For me, having spent much of my Spurs supporting life (since the cup in '91) watching us roll over and letting teams come through, I want a bit of Tim's fighting spirit in our club.
If it isn't to be then I say thank you very much Tim and wish you all the very best (if you don't want to stay on as development coach).
Plus the fact that he has not learnt to keep that stinking shit hole of a mouth shut.
Well, perhaps not. It's true that 1.91pts per game multiplied by 38 games does come out at 73pts, but if we had achieved such a points haul then others would have earned less. Some of those extra points might have come at the expense of this season's top 4 - certainly if we'd have taken 6pts off Arsenal then we'd be all but there. So who knows for sure?
One thing for sure is 73pts would beat our record set last season, and I'm quite sure would've been regarded as enough for TS to keep his job if he had delivered that.
It's not a case of having no answer. It's a case of not wanting to waste my time repeating what's been said on here in hundreds and hundreds of Sherwood debates plaguing this forum, which you seem to love. I've seen the points made to you, which would discredit your post, before now, but as you haven't taken notice of them then there's no point in me repeating them
On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?
I mean, it's not like he's ever had a bad word to say about the club or its management before ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3012723.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2401372/Hoddle-should-be-sacked-says-Sherwood.html
POT. KETTLE. BLACK.
People obviously don't remember how he left the club and what he said to the media about Spurs and about the management. This is why I have a fucking problem with the man - because I literally don't know what to believe when he speaks.
Cheers for the reminder of this post @chinaman - read these and understand.
Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?
I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.
Bollocks. Seriously, when people discuss ACTUAL reasons with you why they don't want TS as manager, you come back with "gonna have to disagree" and then discussion is ended.Brilliant analytic response which is consistent with pretty much every response I get when I make my points - i.e. "Rubbish" or "Doh!!"
You guys are the height of football knowledge and intelligence.
Can you show me where he has learned from his mistakes? Did he stop playing a high line? Did he put a DM in, to cover the bombing forward FB's that continually left us exposed? Did he stop putting players in unnatural positions, whilst not playing individuals who were made for those positions? Did he keep issues with the players from the press, like the vast majority of good managers do?
BTW, those are more hypothetical questions because I know the answer is 'no'. So, has he learned from his mistakes? No.
On the plus side, I'm sure if you were to ask TS himself, he would agree with me - however, probably because he thinks he has never made any mistakes!
Go and read the 2 articles posted by Stoof on page 793 of the Sherwood Out thread at #15841 and you would find the answer. You're just trying to defend him and your own stance blindly.
So you expect a left midfielder, in Eriksen, to cover Rose's run. Its not going to happen. Lennon, for all his faults, did get back and cover. But everyone knows its not going to happen with Eriksen and I'm sure Sherwood would never ask him to. If that's the case, the manager should have a plan in place to cover that (ie: a DM) but, no, we don't believe in DM's do we (Mr. Ferdinand)Surely you don't expect a DM to cover the runs of the FBs that's the job of right and left mids surely. As regards playing players out of position, would you rather the player playing in the right position even if he is off form and another player, on form, can cover. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Timmy is perfect or even my third choice for the job. All I am saying is I would rather have him than a another average manager.