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Yet Another Ex-Manager Watch: Cristian Stellini

mil1lion

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We need to dump the atrocious formations that conte has brought us, the 7-0-3. Stellini is never going to change it as his allegiance is with Conte as he will link up with him again.

The club is a complete shambles and is spursying the spursy tag.

I'd probably take any manager down to Scarborough Sunday veterans league at the minute. (Harry) Redknapp may seem like an unrealistic option but I would love to see him come back in a Mike Basset style and give the fans entertaining football we deserve. 4-4-2 all the way please.
It may be unrealistic in terms of what Levy would do but really it's no worse than Hodgson and Lampard
 

überghost

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Conte was not the remedy. How can conte light be the solution? Appalling decision to let him take the reigns.

But hey - that's what levy does.
 

JayB

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It's not really his fault, Levy fucked up massively by leaving the same setup in place despite the toxicity around the club.

We really should have brought in a caretaker who would have us playing on the front foot, the fans would have accepted it even if the results didn't go our way. Instead the negative atmosphere has remained, and indeed grown worse.

Its Levy who hasn't made a good decision in years and deserves to shoulder the blame.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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It's not really his fault, Levy fucked up massively by leaving the same setup in place despite the toxicity around the club.

We really should have brought in a caretaker who would have us playing on the front foot, the fans would have accepted it even if the results didn't go our way. Instead the negative atmosphere has remained, and indeed grown worse.

Its Levy who hasn't made a good decision in years and deserves to shoulder the blame.
Ultimately it is Levy’s fault, yes. However Stellini created a rod for his own back when he claimed he would make us more attacking and manage the club in a different way to Conte. That was, clearly, a massive lie.
 

mil1lion

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It would be, when was the last time he managed a game let alone a PL game.
Not sure how it could be worse than this tbh, when was the last time Stellini was a full time manager and even then not this level either
I think the issue is having the same guy who is part of the negative energy when Conte was around is a big problem for us right now
 

Thenewcat

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I don't think Mason is ready for it, and it may be detrimental long term. We need a complete reset, and that can only come about in the Summer now. We should not be in this position (YET AGAIN), but we are, and it's total mismanagement considering we've known this was always a possibility.
Definitely agree that if it was felt to be detrimental to him in the long term we shouldn’t do it, but he did it once before, and actually the results were decent. For all we need a reset, 4th was doable until the last 4 games, and a Europa place should have been straightforward. Stellini is all the negatives of Conte and none of the positives
 

JayB

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Ultimately it is Levy’s fault, yes. However Stellini created a rod for his own back when he claimed he would make us more attacking and manage the club in a different way to Conte. That was, clearly, a massive lie.
Perhaps so but who puts much stock in what managers say to the press? I hadn’t even heard that Stellini said that, it’s obvious from his makeup that he would always be a pragmatic manager. Anyone who believed otherwise was fooling themselves.

It was a massive misstep to leave a negative manager in place despite the atmosphere around the club, and that failure comes from above Stellini.
 

Dannyspur

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Stellini won’t change anything that would improve us as that would make Conte look bad and he wants to stay in Conte’s good books for when they are back together at their next job.
 

agrdavidsfan

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Probably should get his p45.

As we need a new voice and drastic change before the end of the season I would consider Harry Redknapp and mason until the seasons over.

But Stellini to be fair didn’t do anything mega wrong other than bringing Sanchez on today he did try and get us back into it and it worked to a sense just missed crucial chances and then individual errors ahain let us down.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Stellini won’t change anything that would improve us as that would make Conte look bad and he wants to stay in Conte’s good books for when they are back together at their next job.
I don't think that it true.

If you watch the start of today's game - we played on the front foot. We were attacking. We were pressing high.

its not the tactics. It's not the formation. It's not the shape. It's not the manager. It's clear that Stellini and Mason (and Conte and Mourinho for that matter) wanted the players to play more aggressively, but their natural instinct is to retreat into a shell. It is the manager's job to set the team up - and based on how they were set up today, and came out of the gate - Stellini/Mason did not set them up to be defensive.
 

Thenewcat

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Probably should get his p45.

As we need a new voice and drastic change before the end of the season I would consider Harry Redknapp and mason until the seasons over.

But Stellini to be fair didn’t do anything mega wrong other than bringing Sanchez on today he did try and get us back into it and it worked to a sense just missed crucial chances and then individual errors ahain let us down.
He’s still putting out a team and formation that doesn’t work every single game. We shouldn’t have to be ‘trying to get back into it’ when we’ve taken the lead against Bournemouth at home. He’s totally out of his depth
 

Japhet

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I don't think that it true.

If you watch the start of today's game - we played on the front foot. We were attacking. We were pressing high.

its not the tactics. It's not the formation. It's not the shape. It's not the manager. It's clear that Stellini and Mason (and Conte and Mourinho for that matter) wanted the players to play more aggressively, but their natural instinct is to retreat into a shell. It is the manager's job to set the team up - and based on how they were set up today, and came out of the gate - Stellini/Mason did not set them up to be defensive.


Who's fault is it then that with all the same issues in every game, when the same players and formation is picked repeatedly? If the players can't do what they're told, pick someone else, and if the midfield keeps getting overrun, put an extra player in there. Solve the fucking problems, don't just watch on gormlessly doing the same things in every game.
 

talbot64

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Time to go, Mason has had a little bit of paternity leave surely he can do the next 6 weeks. Desperately need a new direction
 

EssexSH27

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Just get rid. Like getting rid of a band and putting their tribute band in instead. What’s with this obsession with these dreadful tactics.

95% of my posts on here are relating to hating 343 with wingbacks and I’m desperate for the day that changes.
 

ultimateloner

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Who's fault is it then that with all the same issues in every game, when the same players and formation is picked repeatedly? If the players can't do what they're told, pick someone else, and if the midfield keeps getting overrun, put an extra player in there. Solve the fucking problems, don't just watch on gormlessly doing the same things in every game.
There's no one else better to pick. Whoever comes in has a different weakness that will end up getting exploited. Don't fall into the trap of thinking 'different is better'. It isn't most of the time.

An extra midfielder would mean sacrificing somewhere else on the pitch. We were leading.

When plan A doesn't work plan B usually wouldn't either; because if your best isn't good enough a half-hearted approach wouldn't work either. It might be so bad no one even notices that you are trying plan B.

I agree with Bluto's post. These players are showing exactly what Conte had said about them; they don't have the courage and important games. They take the pressure too seriously. They need to be more light-hearted.

I think they need to let go. Just play for fun and the result may follow.
 
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