Why Harry Redknapp is no longer the manager to take Spurs Forward

[Mr Pink]

Even Bale is saying that there was a feeling of disappointment towards the end of last season:

‘I think there was disappointment at the end of last season, we wanted to finish in the top four again. We had a great Champions League run and I don’t think anybody would want to argue with it. But, hopefully, we can rectify it and get back in the top four this season and go one better.’

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[ShelfSide18]

I would Pinky, but it gives a hit on the Daily Mail website...

 

[Mr Pink]

I would Pinky, but it gives a hit on the Daily Mail website...

you can't access it?

 

[tttcowan]

you can't access it?

It gives the daily maily £££ by clicking on it. :grin:

 

[Mr Pink]

It gives the daily maily £££ by clicking on it. :grin:

with you now :wink:

 

[StartingPrice]

Even Bale is saying that there was a feeling of disappointment towards the end of last season:

‘I think there was disappointment at the end of last season, we wanted to finish in the top four again. We had a great Champions League run and I don’t think anybody would want to argue with it. But, hopefully, we can rectify it and get back in the top four this season and go one better.’

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That's it exactly.
I think we had a good season last season, and even the fact that we didn't qualify for CL second season running wasn't so much of a disaster - Dan Levy said at the start of last season that he was going to budget as though we failed to qualify, I reasoned that as long as we kept the squad together, we would benefit from a light schedule, same as we did the year we did qualify, and besides, I had suggested a few years ago that we might be a bit of a yo-yo club in the CL for a few years. But I still had an overriding feeling of disappointment because we got ourselves into such a fantastic position, and had a lot of games, that on paper were relatively easy, to build upon that position...and then just seemed to become all fumbly about thangs.

 

[StartingPrice]

Sorry, I wasn't snipping at anyone in particular, I've just seen points around like

"he's twitchy, his accent, the fact the media like him, his reputation as a wheeler dealer/east end wideboy/crook"

which seem in bad taste and don't relate to what's actually going on on the pitch... Which is what we should all be primarily concerned with.

Ye Gods...I said he is the Twitch-Meister - it was joke-fest.

Will I be exiled to the Outer-Emirates, or summit

 

[Lilbaz]

Success = expectations raised.

Not meeting those expectations = Failure

We have raised expectations in the last couple of years and unfortunately if we don't meet them people get upset.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm not saying we're playing total football... I'm saying we're using some of the ideas from it, namely, the defensive cover and the interchanging fluid positions.

The whole "new concept" I'm on about is using those interchangable/fluid positions to allow us to overload areas of the pitch which haven't been attacked in the way we are attacking them before. Those wide areas in the final 3rd. Arsenal have always tried to play through the middle, as have Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc...

For example, when we attack there left final third, it could be any 3 of Modric, Lennon, VDV, Walker, Bale and less likely but still a possibility Parker or Ade. On the other side replace Walker for Benny. And this could happen at any point in the match as in its not dependant on which side Bale or Lennon are currently playing...

Now if your a fullback or centre back for the opposition, what the hell are you gonna do about it???

I honestly don't think any teams done this before.

I've not even touched on the implications of VDV ending up the deepest midfielder at times but it's part of the reason we end up with Lennon and Bale on the same side of the park a lot of the time... Ofcourse all in my opinion.

Also... It won't always work, but this is football and nothing ever works every time.

I'm sorry mate but it just isn't anything new. Club and international teams have been doing this for decades.

We are fundamentally a 442/4411 team this season, with one full back that overlaps occasionally and one that doesn't verty much and a trequartista.

Personally I don't even think it's well balanced when the way Redknapp plays it and since Lennon has come back and he's played him, Modric and Bale in the same midfield we've only played one decent 90 minutes, one dire one and one half and half. And Villa heavily contributed to their own downfall that decent 90 minutes.

 

[tttcowan]

Ye Gods...I said he is the Twitch-Meister - it was joke-fest.

Will I be exiled to the Outer-Emirates, or summit

Lol, mate, I mean the obvious derisory personal comments made by people not joking... Not referring to him as Twitch-Meister haha... I'd call him Twitch-Meister-General, it rolls of the tongue better.

But yeah, when people have issues with him personally, who gives a shit? He's not there to be liked, he's there to be a football manager. God knows Wenger is a **** and I'm sure Fergusons players have issue with his well documented hair dryer treatments... Its about the football.

 

[tttcowan]

I'm sorry mate but it just isn't anything new. Club and international teams have been doing this for decades.

We are fundamentally a 442/4411 team this season, with one full back that overlaps occasionally and one that doesn't verty much and a trequartista.

Personally I don't even think it's well balanced when the way Redknapp plays it and since Lennon has come back and he's played him, Modric and Bale in the same midfield we've only played one decent 90 minutes, one dire one and one half and half. And Villa heavily contributed to their own downfall that decent 90 minutes.

I do know what your saying, it sounds tried and tested but I honestly dont think any team has hammered it like we do/are trying to do. The pace of play is essential so we can allow these 3 on essentially 1.5 to appear on the wings but the interchange of players across the midfield is also very important... I just haven't seen it done quite like this before. Its hard to quantify why and how its working but I continually find myself asking the question in matches things like,

Why and how is parker at right back, Modric is upfront, Lennon, Bale and Walker are all on the right wing and VDV has been left behind the play in central midfield.

 

[tttcowan]

I do know what your saying, it sounds tried and tested but I honestly dont think any team has hammered it like we do/are trying to do. The pace of play is essential so we can allow these 3 on essentially 1.5 to appear on the wings but the interchange of players across the midfield is also very important... I just haven't seen it done quite like this before. Its hard to quantify why and how its working but I continually find myself asking the question in matches things like,

Why and how is parker at right back, Modric is upfront, Lennon, Bale and Walker are all on the right wing and VDV has been left behind the play in central midfield.

I meant that in a good way by the way.

 

[jonnyrotten]

I love Harry for what he has done to Spurs. He is a god and in all the time Levy has been here it has been his appointment of Harry that has been the most important and ultimately successful

 

[StartingPrice]

Lol, mate, I mean the obvious derisory personal comments made by people not joking... Not referring to him as Twitch-Meister haha... I'd call him Twitch-Meister-General, it rolls of the tongue better.

But yeah, when people have issues with him personally, who gives a shit? He's not there to be liked, he's there to be a football manager. God knows Wenger is a **** and I'm sure Fergusons players have issue with his well documented hair dryer treatments... Its about the football.

Thought you meant me.

And I agree, the most important aspect of his management (so far as I can see), is how he manages the dressing-room - not how much any given fan likes or dislikes him, especially over trivial things.

 

[Ionman34]

All by playing the Spurs way? I disagree. Our standard of football in the league last year was sub-par and 3 points from 18 against Wigan, West Ham and Blackpool is criminal.

Harry has done well, no question. But I want us to be the best we can be and if improvements can be made, then I am all for it.

Redknapp got us into the CL, then had a poor season after it, with the players at his disposal. But it's OK because he got us into the CL in the first place right?

Well, take Defoe. Our top scorer when we qualified, had a poor season, has started well this year, but people wanted him replaced and he has no place in anyone's starting 11.

Defoe was not immune to criticism, so Harry cannot be either. He's done well the past 9 games, well, not spectacular as for 45 minutes in each game, I had to watch Newcastle, Blackburn, Wigan and Fulham take us to bits in the respective second halves.

This is my worry aout Redknapp, he does not learn from mistakes quickly enough.

Over exaggerating there Narnill. Fulham took us apart in the second half, none of the rest did. They may havebenn more in the game than the earlier half, but in no way, shape or form did they 'take us to bits'.
Just as an example, the possession stats against Wigan had us at 64% over the entire game.

Having said all that, I agree that we still need to find that extra bit of ruthlessness, a sadistic desire to make every other team suffer humiliation at our hands rather than having the 'righto, that should do it' attitude.

I see this as a further part of their development though and is one of the major failings I see in Aitch. I love what he has done with us and have never enjoyed our Football so much in all my years of watching, but I really can't see him sitting in his study, sipping at a Red Wine and chuckling evilly over how we destroyed our last victim ........... He's just too nice and that can often transfer itself to the players. Look at Fergie and Utd or Cheatski under Mourhinho.

 

[tttcowan]

All by playing the Spurs way? I disagree. Our standard of football in the league last year was sub-par and 3 points from 18 against Wigan, West Ham and Blackpool is criminal.

Harry has done well, no question. But I want us to be the best we can be and if improvements can be made, then I am all for it.

Redknapp got us into the CL, then had a poor season after it, with the players at his disposal. But it's OK because he got us into the CL in the first place right?

Well, take Defoe. Our top scorer when we qualified, had a poor season, has started well this year, but people wanted him replaced and he has no place in anyone's starting 11.

Defoe was not immune to criticism, so Harry cannot be either. He's done well the past 9 games, well, not spectacular as for 45 minutes in each game, I had to watch Newcastle, Blackburn, Wigan and Fulham take us to bits in the respective second halves.

This is my worry aout Redknapp, he does not learn from mistakes quickly enough.

You can have a go at Harry about not qualifying for CL last year(not that I would in a million years but I at least can see your point) but surely you've got to hold your hands up and say maybe Harry does know what he's doing as our form this year has been nothing short of sensational. The poor performances like Fulham where we won would be written off as "well that's what title contenders do" at other top clubs. I'm trying not to just fly off the handle on a rant here, I've already tried to highlight the positives of the performances and type of football he's clearly trying to implement. Even that moron on Sky Sports News has just said we're playing the most attractive football in the league... Look at the table, look at the form guide, Harry Redknapp is verging on untouchable at the moment... If it carries on like this it's going make any of his critics look pretty... well... stupid.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Jesus, why posters like BC and Sloth get vilified in here for merely sticking their neck out and saying not everything is perfect with what we have witnessed thus far is ridiculous.

The whole point of their critique, ultimately, is one we all should share which is striving to be the best team we can possibly be. Whilst we all bask in what was a fantastic performance against Villa, this is mirrored against a dismal display against Fulham yet yielded the same overall result in 3 points earnt. I'm fully aware we won't have games like we had against Villa every game, nor for that matter ones like Fulham, it still doesn't disguise the fact that there is still room for us to be even more consistent in how look to tackle matches - if we set ourselves up correctly, with the right personnel and appropriate work ethic then we will achieve great things.

How is there critique going to help us be the best side we can be. They might be talking rubbish and lets face it it's not beyond the realms. Of course every genuine Spurs fan wants to see us be the best side we can be, but my idea of getting there is not to try and stir up a dislike of a manager when he's clearly doing a great job. As it happens I haven't agreed with every single decision selection wise he's made but do agree with most of it and I can always see the reasoning behind the decisions on a football level, even if I personally some of the time I might not have gone the same route. But this sniping at him after every winning performance decent or poor is pathetic and when we do have bad spells as most teams do then that's going to get magnified massively, as happened, after two games this season. Maybe I dont think going through manager after manager is a recipe for success and being the best team we can be. I appreciate it's just a forum and you might say what someone writes on here has no bearing on the club but I have no these views find there way to the terraces and also back to the club.

I dont think anyone is stupid enough to think the performance at fulham was good and if they need BC to tell them that then maybe they shouldn't be watching football in the first place. Maybe though some look at the bigger picture and see that we are actually making progress. It's not going to be a completely smooth ride and you're going to get poor performances every now and then. Even the established clubs at the top go through poor spells. I'm all for a dissection of a performance and how we're set up and feel like I could argue a case against those that disagree with whatever he does pretty well on most occasions, so in that respect I've got no problem really with BC and Sloth as although I dont agree with most of the there opinions on football at least they give reasons why they think he's wrong. I cant understand the people that come on here just to call him a **** or a crook. Complete lack of respect for what he done for the club.

 

[rsmith]

Balanced, well reasoned and constructive criticism = good
Constant sniping based on personal dislike and bias = unwelcome

No names, no pack drill, but it sometimes seems there are people here who would still be complaining if Arry turned their water into wine.

 

[Blockbuster]

Gotta love how Lucky Redknapp is!!! he doesn't do tactics, just pure luck.

<sigh>

 

[brasil_spur]

For me Harry cocked up last year on two points:

1.) Not realising that just because the team finished 4th, doesn't mean that team would be good enough to do so the next season, especially given the rise of Man City and the amount they were going to clearly spend to become CL regulars and PL title contenders.

2.) Not bringing in the right players in Jan transfer window. It was clear by Jan that our strikers weren't firing and we should have gone all out to bring in a striker that could have fired us those few extra goals that would have got us fourth.

How much of this was down to Harry i don't know, as it seems Levy has a large part to play in who we sign.

However this all got corrected in the summer with Ade, Parker and Friedal. I think we would all have liked a CB to cover for King, but given the playing time we have had from King this season so far it hasn't been a problem.

I do think though that like last Jan there is an urgent need to sign a ST to cover for Ade in case of injury, suspension or form dip and also so that if we can't sign Ade perm in the summer we don't get shafted by every club we approach when buying an Ade replacement.

I think we also need a CB to cover for King, as his injury free time is limited and we don't have adequate cover for him at the moment.

We might get lucky and have King and Ade injury free all season and agree a deal to sign Ade perm in the summer in Jan. But if this doesn't happen i can see Redknapp coming under pressure if we fail to make top 4 again.