What do we do now?

[Trix]

Those of us who live in reality can only go on what’s actually happened in terms of recruitment, what Levy’s said, what Poch ha said, and make reasonable assumptions.

And what has Poch actually said?

 

[Monkey boy]

Sounds positive, all the ITK so far I have heard here is off a big spend and a lot of movement. I’d imagine next season is almost going to be the second phase of Poch’s reign in some ways with a new team being built.

Pretty sure there was stories and quotes of £150m net spend last year too and look what happened. Its the hope that kills you

 

[lami]

Am I the only person worried about next year?
It looks likely that we're going to lose our best defender (Toby) and our best midfielder (Eriksen, shit of late agreed).
That's a huge chunk of a team that's been playing well together for the past 4 years, spine of the team so to speak. Kane is always going to be missing for large parts of the season (once you have a weak/glass ankle theres no way of preventing it going on a regular basis).
I cant see us offering Jan a long term contract on the type of wages he would like. If an offer comes in from China or a like, you wouldn't blame him for leaving for a financial nest egg and the possibility of a long term contract.
All the above named players are massive for us, I cant see Levy spending the kind of cash on the quality required to replace/cover them.
The types of players we should be looking at are; Zaha, Maguire, Maddison and so on, all 60mil plus, but can anyone see Levy buying those types of players?
We have Winks and Sisokko in midfield, I love them both but neither have an assist or goal in them. You could have one player like that in midfield but two makes things difficult.
I can see us selling either Auirier or Trippier, but rather than buy a replacement, it's more likely that Walker-Peters will be promoted.
I for one cannot see Levy changing his approach to buying and selling.
Despite our players getting burn out towards the end of the last few seasons, I still think that Poch will blitz the players in training like he always has and wont learn from it. Poch also needs to move away from picking players for their names, rather than fitness/form.
Kane and Winks should never have started that match last night (fully fit, yes everytime) but not last night.
I think we're in for a very difficult season ahead, maybe I'm just emotional after last night and I really hope that I'm wrong.
In Poch we trust.

 

[Houdini]

"What do we do now"


Lol




Stay calm, act like nothings happened.....and carry on.....





COYS




xxx

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Am I the only person worried about next year?
It looks likely that we're going to lose our best defender (Toby) and our best midfielder (Eriksen, shit of late agreed).
That's a huge chunk of a team that's been playing well together for the past 4 years, spine of the team so to speak. Kane is always going to be missing for large parts of the season (once you have a weak/glass ankle theres no way of preventing it going on a regular basis).
I cant see us offering Jan a long term contract on the type of wages he would like. If an offer comes in from China or a like, you wouldn't blame him for leaving for a financial nest egg and the possibility of a long term contract.
All the above named players are massive for us, I cant see Levy spending the kind of cash on the quality required to replace/cover them.
The types of players we should be looking at are; Zaha, Maguire, Maddison and so on, all 60mil plus, but can anyone see Levy buying those types of players?
We have Winks and Sisokko in midfield, I love them both but neither have an assist or goal in them. You could have one player like that in midfield but two makes things difficult.
I can see us selling either Auirier or Trippier, but rather than buy a replacement, it's more likely that Walker-Peters will be promoted.
I for one cannot see Levy changing his approach to buying and selling.
Despite our players getting burn out towards the end of the last few seasons, I still think that Poch will blitz the players in training like he always has and wont learn from it. Poch also needs to move away from picking players for their names, rather than fitness/form.
Kane and Winks should never have started that match last night (fully fit, yes everytime) but not last night.
I think we're in for a very difficult season ahead, maybe I'm just emotional after last night and I really hope that I'm wrong.
In Poch we trust.

You're worrying too much.

We'll be playing at home next season (and forever)

We've got a manager who is learning and moving us forward in tangible ways each season.

We're not City or this Liverpool team or Chelsea but we'll be competitive and will definitely address our holes this summer I have no doubt.

As someone pointed out, Levy hasn't built this stadium for us to fight it out in Baku.

COYS

 

[shelfboy68]

Am I the only person worried about next year?
It looks likely that we're going to lose our best defender (Toby) and our best midfielder (Eriksen, shit of late agreed).
That's a huge chunk of a team that's been playing well together for the past 4 years, spine of the team so to speak. Kane is always going to be missing for large parts of the season (once you have a weak/glass ankle theres no way of preventing it going on a regular basis).
I cant see us offering Jan a long term contract on the type of wages he would like. If an offer comes in from China or a like, you wouldn't blame him for leaving for a financial nest egg and the possibility of a long term contract.
All the above named players are massive for us, I cant see Levy spending the kind of cash on the quality required to replace/cover them.
The types of players we should be looking at are; Zaha, Maguire, Maddison and so on, all 60mil plus, but can anyone see Levy buying those types of players?
We have Winks and Sisokko in midfield, I love them both but neither have an assist or goal in them. You could have one player like that in midfield but two makes things difficult.
I can see us selling either Auirier or Trippier, but rather than buy a replacement, it's more likely that Walker-Peters will be promoted.
I for one cannot see Levy changing his approach to buying and selling.
Despite our players getting burn out towards the end of the last few seasons, I still think that Poch will blitz the players in training like he always has and wont learn from it. Poch also needs to move away from picking players for their names, rather than fitness/form.
Kane and Winks should never have started that match last night (fully fit, yes everytime) but not last night.
I think we're in for a very difficult season ahead, maybe I'm just emotional after last night and I really hope that I'm wrong.
In Poch we trust.

In pochs five year tenure we have reached two cup finals, three other semi finals and two sort of title challenges, but other than secure top four we have failed to achieve anything.
Happy clappers will tell us that patience is the key here although how much more patient we need to be I don't know, but it's looking likely that with all the rebuilding work needed there is still a long wait ahead.

 

[mil1lion]

Am I the only person worried about next year?
It looks likely that we're going to lose our best defender (Toby) and our best midfielder (Eriksen, shit of late agreed).
That's a huge chunk of a team that's been playing well together for the past 4 years, spine of the team so to speak. Kane is always going to be missing for large parts of the season (once you have a weak/glass ankle theres no way of preventing it going on a regular basis).
I cant see us offering Jan a long term contract on the type of wages he would like. If an offer comes in from China or a like, you wouldn't blame him for leaving for a financial nest egg and the possibility of a long term contract.
All the above named players are massive for us, I cant see Levy spending the kind of cash on the quality required to replace/cover them.
The types of players we should be looking at are; Zaha, Maguire, Maddison and so on, all 60mil plus, but can anyone see Levy buying those types of players?
We have Winks and Sisokko in midfield, I love them both but neither have an assist or goal in them. You could have one player like that in midfield but two makes things difficult.
I can see us selling either Auirier or Trippier, but rather than buy a replacement, it's more likely that Walker-Peters will be promoted.
I for one cannot see Levy changing his approach to buying and selling.
Despite our players getting burn out towards the end of the last few seasons, I still think that Poch will blitz the players in training like he always has and wont learn from it. Poch also needs to move away from picking players for their names, rather than fitness/form.
Kane and Winks should never have started that match last night (fully fit, yes everytime) but not last night.
I think we're in for a very difficult season ahead, maybe I'm just emotional after last night and I really hope that I'm wrong.
In Poch we trust.

Wait so you're worried that we're losing the likes of Eriksen and Toby yet we should be signing players like Maguire and Maddison?

I'm not too worried about Toby going. He's not our best defender anymore (Jan is). Besides our defending has been poor this season so I rather fancy getting a new centre back anyway. Neither Toby or Jan are getting any younger so we need fresh legs in there.

As for Eriksen, while he'll be missed if he does leave, it could actually help us out a bit. We always seem to find a place for him either deep in midfield, central attacking midfield or out wide. I think next season the focus will need to be more on pacey wide players (something both City and Liverpool have) with Moura and Son (and another to add competition). I think we'll replace Eriksen with someone a little bit deeper in midfield (probably Lo Celso). The same happened when we sold Modric and we signed a different type of player in Dembele.

The foundations are in place. Sure we may lose a couple more experienced players but we'll get replacements and add cover in other areas. I'm rather excited about the summer myself. We wont sell our top prospects like Ajax are, but we'll add some more prospects and maybe a couple of established players too.

 

[lis spur]

Am I the only person worried about next year?
It looks likely that we're going to lose our best defender (Toby) and our best midfielder (Eriksen, shit of late agreed).
That's a huge chunk of a team that's been playing well together for the past 4 years, spine of the team so to speak. Kane is always going to be missing for large parts of the season (once you have a weak/glass ankle theres no way of preventing it going on a regular basis).
I cant see us offering Jan a long term contract on the type of wages he would like. If an offer comes in from China or a like, you wouldn't blame him for leaving for a financial nest egg and the possibility of a long term contract.
All the above named players are massive for us, I cant see Levy spending the kind of cash on the quality required to replace/cover them.
The types of players we should be looking at are; Zaha, Maguire, Maddison and so on, all 60mil plus, but can anyone see Levy buying those types of players?
We have Winks and Sisokko in midfield, I love them both but neither have an assist or goal in them. You could have one player like that in midfield but two makes things difficult.
I can see us selling either Auirier or Trippier, but rather than buy a replacement, it's more likely that Walker-Peters will be promoted.
I for one cannot see Levy changing his approach to buying and selling.
Despite our players getting burn out towards the end of the last few seasons, I still think that Poch will blitz the players in training like he always has and wont learn from it. Poch also needs to move away from picking players for their names, rather than fitness/form.
Kane and Winks should never have started that match last night (fully fit, yes everytime) but not last night.
I think we're in for a very difficult season ahead, maybe I'm just emotional after last night and I really hope that I'm wrong.
In Poch we trust.

A tired team got to the Champions League final,imagine what an invigorated one can achieve!!

 

[Krule]

Cannot really assess until the window closes and we look at the overall picture of who's gone and who we've signed.

My biggest concern is the Poch/Kane relationship. I sincerely hope it's not a case of tail wagging the dog but Poch doesn't seem to in any way upset the player and risk losing him (and the fans).

I love Harry to bits and when match fit and on form there isn't a better striker out there. Last night he wasn't in that condition and yet he started the game with Moura back on the bench.

It needs to be sorted out. Harry may well have said "I'm fit and raring to go" in the press but Poch needed to say "You're physically able but not match sharpness wise so Lucas starts....you come on later"

I sincerely hope Moura stays and the whole atmosphere changed when he appeared...but we give him little reason to want to stay when he's treated like that and if I was him I'd be seeking some reassurances about it next season.

I'm not in any way slagging Harry off but we can't keep pretending the guy is superhuman any more.

 

[lami]

Wait so you're worried that we're losing the likes of Eriksen and Toby yet we should be signing players like Maguire and Maddison?

I'm not too worried about Toby going. He's not our best defender anymore (Jan is). Besides our defending has been poor this season so I rather fancy getting a new centre back anyway. Neither Toby or Jan are getting any younger so we need fresh legs in there.

As for Eriksen, while he'll be missed if he does leave, it could actually help us out a bit. We always seem to find a place for him either deep in midfield, central attacking midfield or out wide. I think next season the focus will need to be more on pacey wide players (something both City and Liverpool have) with Moura and Son (and another to add competition). I think we'll replace Eriksen with someone a little bit deeper in midfield (probably Lo Celso). The same happened when we sold Modric and we signed a different type of player in Dembele.

The foundations are in place. Sure we may lose a couple more experienced players but we'll get replacements and add cover in other areas. I'm rather excited about the summer myself. We wont sell our top prospects like Ajax are, but we'll add some more prospects and maybe a couple of established players too.

We're not going to buy Lo Celso my friend, Levy has done what he always does. He's gone in with a bid below what he's gonna go for, leaked it to the press in order to unsettle and hopefully sign him if he's nobody else's first choice.
Levy wont go in with a higher bid than the 53mil already quoted, if he does it will still ne way shorter than what would be required to get it over the line.
I mentioned players like Maguire and Maddison as they're both proven on the premier league, fancy names like Lo Cleso and N'Dombele are unproven and would take time to adapt.
If Eriksen leaves and we dont buy someone similar, Poch will end up playing Lamela or a like.
If you think we're going to be fine if we lose Toby and Eriksen and dont replace with similar quality, you're very much deluded

 

[RichieS]

I just want a trophy next season. Any trophy.

Chelsea, Arsenal and United supposedly having a crisis over the last few years, yet they find ways to add to their trophy cabinet. Chelsea with 4 trophies, Arsenal and United with 3 each the last 5 years.

I know trophies aren't everything, but so tired of being beaten by the "no trophy" and "spursy/bottling" stick.

Who most enjoys going to watch their team every week?

 

[mil1lion]

We're not going to buy Lo Celso my friend, Levy has done what he always does. He's gone in with a bid below what he's gonna go for, leaked it to the press in order to unsettle and hopefully sign him if he's nobody else's first choice.
Levy wont go in with a higher bid than the 53mil already quoted, if he does it will still ne way shorter than what would be required to get it over the line.
I mentioned players like Maguire and Maddison as they're both proven on the premier league, fancy names like Lo Cleso and N'Dombele are unproven and would take time to adapt.
If Eriksen leaves and we dont buy someone similar, Poch will end up playing Lamela or a like.
If you think we're going to be fine if we lose Toby and Eriksen and dont replace with similar quality, you're very much deluded

Well I clearly suggested that we're going to replace them so not sure why you're suggesting otherwise.
As far as Lo Celso goes, it's normal to have bids rejected, happens all the time. If we dont get him though we'll get someone else and it will be someone better than Maddison.

 

[mil1lion]

Cannot really assess until the window closes and we look at the overall picture of who's gone and who we've signed.

My biggest concern is the Poch/Kane relationship. I sincerely hope it's not a case of tail wagging the dog but Poch doesn't seem to in any way upset the player and risk losing him (and the fans).

I love Harry to bits and when match fit and on form there isn't a better striker out there. Last night he wasn't in that condition and yet he started the game with Moura back on the bench.

It needs to be sorted out. Harry may well have said "I'm fit and raring to go" in the press but Poch needed to say "You're physically able but not match sharpness wise so Lucas starts....you come on later"

I sincerely hope Moura stays and the whole atmosphere changed when he appeared...but we give him little reason to want to stay when he's treated like that and if I was him I'd be seeking some reassurances about it next season.

I'm not in any way slagging Harry off but we can't keep pretending the guy is superhuman any more.

Kane and Moura are 2 totally different players though. It's not a case of one or the other. The reason Kane started is because Llorente isn't good enough for a full game of that scale and Kane was our only other target man. Moura was dropped in favour of having Son, Alli and Eriksen all play. If anything you could argue for Alli to be dropped for Moura out wide and Eriksen central attacking midfield. For all the credit Moura gets for his hat trick against Ajax, it was the impact of the target man to play off that made the difference.

 

[Krule]

We're not going to buy Lo Celso my friend, Levy has done what he always does. He's gone in with a bid below what he's gonna go for, leaked it to the press in order to unsettle and hopefully sign him if he's nobody else's first choice.
Levy wont go in with a higher bid than the 53mil already quoted, if he does it will still ne way shorter than what would be required to get it over the line.
I mentioned players like Maguire and Maddison as they're both proven on the premier league, fancy names like Lo Cleso and N'Dombele are unproven and would take time to adapt.
If Eriksen leaves and we dont buy someone similar, Poch will end up playing Lamela or a like.
If you think we're going to be fine if we lose Toby and Eriksen and dont replace with similar quality, you're very much deluded

If that's his plan then he's fucked because after Copa America Lo Celso will be on every clubs lips...he won't be unproven after that...trust me.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Cannot really assess until the window closes and we look at the overall picture of who's gone and who we've signed.

My biggest concern is the Poch/Kane relationship. I sincerely hope it's not a case of tail wagging the dog but Poch doesn't seem to in any way upset the player and risk losing him (and the fans).

I love Harry to bits and when match fit and on form there isn't a better striker out there. Last night he wasn't in that condition and yet he started the game with Moura back on the bench.

It needs to be sorted out. Harry may well have said "I'm fit and raring to go" in the press but Poch needed to say "You're physically able but not match sharpness wise so Lucas starts....you come on later"

I sincerely hope Moura stays and the whole atmosphere changed when he came on....but we give him little reason to want to stay when he's treated like that and if I was him I'd be seeking some reassurances about it next season.

I'm not in any way slagging Harry off but we can't keep pretending the guy is superhuman any more.

I think Poch had some really difficult decisions to make. We all know what Kane has meant to us over the years, and we've also seen Moura's impact in recent months. I'd have preferred Moura to start and Kane off the bench, but I can understand his call.

I don't understand Moura not coming on as a sub earlier given the lack of impact both Kane and Alli were having. I think Moura will be ok. He's proven himself to be a hero here when it matters, and he's been embraced here more than he was at PSG.

Think the Kane situation is more significant and worrying, even before yesterday. The current VVD, who I think is the best defender in the world, would have needed serious help against the potent Kane we all remember; in the air, on the floor, turning quickly on either foot with the explosive shooting threat with both feet, creating havoc with his threatening movement, pulling defenders all over the issue. Haven't seen that Kane in over a year.

 

[Timberwolf]

In pochs five year tenure we have reached two cup finals, three other semi finals and two sort of title challenges, but other than secure top four we have failed to achieve anything.
Happy clappers will tell us that patience is the key here although how much more patient we need to be I don't know, but it's looking likely that with all the rebuilding work needed there is still a long wait ahead.

It's worth remembering that we were in a shit state when Poch joined. We had an imbalanced, patchy squad with a few very talented players (Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele, Lloris etc) who were questioning their futures and a lot of dross/characters with bad attitudes. In Poch's first season our first choice midfield was Bentaleb and Mason, Kaboul was club captain and we still had overpaid wasters like Adebayor and, for all his efforts, Soldado on the books. Since then our net spend has been practically nothing and yet we've only managed 4 consecutive top 4 finishes, 2 title challenges and 2 cup finals (including the fucking Champions League).

All things considered we barely had any right to challenge for the top 4 at all, let alone do all of the other miraculous things we've done. We could just as easily have hired Frank De Boer, lost all our best players and spent the last few years fighting with Everton for 7th, or even scrapping with West Ham. Poch has done something no manager in the history of the Premier League has managed - turned an inconsistent top half side into a perennial challenger and top 4 contender without spending any money. That's insane! We've already won the bloody football lottery in so many respects and yet some people act like what Poch has managed is par for the course when in fact it's completely unparalleled. Sure, we haven't won any trophies, but we're up against the richest sides in the richest league in the world. Even winning 1 trophy in this climate is massively against the odds, even more so when you spend fuck all and spend 2 seasons playing at Wembley.

To say we've failed to achieve anything beggars belief.

 

[shelfboy68]

It's worth remembering that we were in a shit state when Poch joined. We had an imbalanced, patchy squad with a few very talented players (Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele, Lloris etc) who were questioning their futures and a lot of dross/characters with bad attitudes. In Poch's first season our first choice midfield was Bentaleb and Mason, Kaboul was club captain and we still had overpaid wasters like Adebayor and, for all his efforts, Soldado on the books. Since then our net spend has been practically nothing and yet we've only managed 4 consecutive top 4 finishes, 2 title challenges and 2 cup finals (including the fucking Champions League).

All things considered we barely had any right to challenge for the top 4 at all, let alone do all of the other miraculous things we've done. We could just as easily have hired Frank De Boer, lost all our best players and spent the last few years fighting with Everton for 7th, or even scrapping with West Ham. Poch has done something no manager in the history of the Premier League has managed - turned an inconsistent top half side into a perennial challenger and top 4 contender without spending any money. That's insane! We've already won the bloody football lottery in so many respects and yet some people act like what Poch has managed is par for the course when in fact it's completely unparalleled. Sure, we haven't won any trophies, but we're up against the richest sides in the richest league in the world. Even winning 1 trophy in this climate is massively against the odds, even more so when you spend fuck all and spend 2 seasons playing at Wembley.

To say we've failed to achieve anything beggars belief.

Ok I will rephrase that we have yet to win anything which you yourself agreed so does that sound better.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Savor a rather amazing 5 year story under Poch. But book one is over now. Put it up on a shelf. Pick up a new set of blank pages and write the next chapter in what will prove to be an even more amazing sequel that will build off, and eventually pay off, the promise of the awesome narrative that came before. Some characters will leave, some will stay, some new ones will be introduced. The stakes will be raised, the opportunities will be aplenty, the lows will be less frequent and the triumphs more consistent. It’ll be a golden era for the ages.

 

[Krule]

Savor a rather amazing 5 year story under Poch. But book one is over now. Put it up on a shelf. Pick up a new set of blank pages and write the next chapter in what will prove to be an even more amazing sequel that will build off, and eventually pay off, the promise of the awesome narrative that came before. Some characters will leave, some will stay, some new ones will be introduced. The stakes will be raised, the opportunities will be aplenty, the lows will be less frequent and the triumphs more consistent. It’ll be a golden era for the ages.

The Film 'Poch for the next 5 years'.....scene one "The transfer window is open" ......AND ACTION !! ....

 

[SpursSince1980]

The Film 'Poch for the next 5 years'.....scene one "The transfer window is open" ......AND ACTION !! ....

Well, shit. If they can turn the book MONEYBALL into a movie, anything is possible. ?