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What could go right/wrong with Pochettino?

ItsBoris

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This is a question I was thinking about in the lead up to his appointment, especially with many people making the argument that he hasn't won enough or done well enough at Southampton or Espanyol to be eligible to become our new head coach. So I'm wondering what people who were against or in favor of the appointment really expect might happen now that he is our manager.

I think there are a few things that you would really look for in a manager, off the top of my head:

1.) Coaching ability - capacity to improve players and to get the team playing in an attractive, attacking style that scores goals.

2.) Tactical ability - able to make decisions prior to and during a game that allow us to tactically outmaneuver the opponents.

3.) Man management - ability to create harmony in the squad and instill confidence in the players.

There may be more to it than that, but from what I've seen the best managers excel in these three categories.

Looking at our last 3 managers, I would say that Sherwood was probably specifically lacking in the 2nd and 3rd areas. I think he may have actually been decent as a coach, because our attacking football at least improved under him, but imo he didn't manage the squad well and he didn't make smart decisions in terms of team selections or formations. Harry I think was probably very good at #3, but probably lacking in the coaching and tactics departments. AVB I think failed mostly in the first area, and was decent in the other two but didn't excel in any of them tbh.

So in this sense, how has Pochettino proven himself so far? Watching the football that Southampton have played, and watching their training sessions at times, I think Pochettino has proven himself to be a very good coach. He has shown, imo, that he can turn good players into very good players, and get them to perform in a team playing fluid attacking football. I would expect him to emulate that here. I think he has also shown himself to be pretty good in the man management category, as many of the Southampton players credit him with their improvement and confidence. This in a way actually relates to the coaching side of it, because teams that play good attacking football, imo, gain more confidence in their own abilities.

The question mark area with Pochettino is probably #2 - his tactical ability. There was a somewhat troubling stat that was something like Southampton never recovered from losing positions under him. So, at the very least, he is unproven tactically. If there is a reason to doubt him, I'm guessing that would probably be it.

But if we can expect a manager who will get our already talented squad playing fluid, attacking football, managing them harmoniously and instilling confidence in players, wouldn't that be worth sacrificing the tactical ability side of it for? There are very few managers in the world who excel at all three, but I would say that hiring one who excels at 2 and is unproven at 1 is about as good as we are going to get.

So that makes me think that a lot can go right with this appointment - we can play excellent football, we can see our players improving and gaining confidence, we can get young players moving into the first team, etc. And what can go wrong is that we may drop points at times because of tactical mistakes, but that is certainly an acceptable price to pay.

Liverpool and Everton (and Manchester City actually too) recently went down the same route of appointing managers who had proven themselves as coaches/motivators but not as tacticians, and it paid off for both clubs. Man United have appointed a manager who is an excellent coach and tactician, but probably not the best at motivating players, and we will see how that works for them.

That's what makes me feel positively about the appointment, I think there is a lot of potential upside, and I think for the first time in a while we can actually expect our team to play really good football, while to me there doesn't seem to be much that can go horribly wrong. We still might not make the top 4, but I think we'll be much closer and we'll have an entertaining season to go with it.
 

Japhet

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One of the most important things is to get the team playing decent football and get the crowd going again at WHL.
 

Armstrong_11

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Let's not look to far ahead...

The current objective for him is to convince the likes of Loris, Verts, Eriksen, Walker, Paulie etc that he is the man to take us forward into the champions league and that they should stick to the club and be part of the team next season.
 

ginola99

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I think for once we should let the answers find us, instead of trying to find them ourselves.

There's too many threads and articles on him being the wrong/right fit, what he can/can't do, his achievements/failures in the past and how long/short his tenure will be. For once, lets just wait and see.
 

zzz

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I think for once we should let the answers find us, instead of trying to find them ourselves.

There's too many threads and articles on him being the wrong/right fit, what he can/can't do, his achievements/failures in the past and how long/short his tenure will be. For once, lets just wait and see.


Wouldn't that negate the idea of a football forum?

Aren't we here to try our best at analysing everything to do with the club in a quest to gain a better understanding of something we all hold dear to our hearts?
 

Booney

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Main danger I see is some tricky home fixtures where the oppo just sit back and park the bus. I think patience from the home crowd and some trickery/creativity in the final third will be key in those games and we're not renowned for either of those things.
 

arunspurs

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Given the candidates, I firmly believe he was the least risk (given we have see his team play) and most logical choice.

IMO, there is only one question mark hanging over him - his buys in transfer market.

Wanyama & Osvaldo, his 2 big summer signings have been failures, with Lovren being the only success. But then, we dont know if they were his picks or Cortese's.

The good thing though is, he has got the best out of the squad given to him.
 

zzz

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Main danger I see is some tricky home fixtures where the oppo just sit back and park the bus. I think patience from the home crowd and some trickery/creativity in the final third will be key in those games and we're not renowned for either of those things.

It was his undoing at Southampton a according to a few.

I think a forward line last year showed glimpses that when they start moving the ball quickly between them, that they can carve open chances.

Then the opposition has the same problem as they did In bales last season. Sit back and ristrict space, or close down bales shots. Substitute eriksen/holtby for bale and we can start putting teams between a rock and a hard place.

I like the idea that he doesn't discuss the opposition before a game. Giving his players a confidence boost by pretty much saying that we will not be dictated to by them, they can come out and try to stop you guys.

Might very well be that spark, that we need to light a fire at white hart lane. If he gets the players playing with confidence and they can easily break down the first park the bus team, we will really start seeing teams not looking at that tactic as an option and the football should get better and better.
 

poc

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Biggest issue is exactly the same as AVB had. Pressing high up the pitch with players that seemed to struggle to do that, ironically it wasnt until Ade was brought back by TS and he started running round like a man possessed setting the example that this changed for 8 games or so. I just dont see eriksen lamela soldado and chadli pressing in the way poch got the saints forward line doing. Fixing the defence (especially employing the high line) and reinstating defensive midfield specialist and making eriksen the creative focal point I think he will succeed. I also hope he manages to improve the overall fitness and desire of the players to work for each other as a team.
 

ItsBoris

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Biggest issue is exactly the same as AVB had. Pressing high up the pitch with players that seemed to struggle to do that, ironically it wasnt until Ade was brought back by TS and he started running round like a man possessed setting the example that this changed for 8 games or so. I just dont see eriksen lamela soldado and chadli pressing in the way poch got the saints forward line doing. Fixing the defence (especially employing the high line) and reinstating defensive midfield specialist and making eriksen the creative focal point I think he will succeed. I also hope he manages to improve the overall fitness and desire of the players to work for each other as a team.

Our pressing under AVB was pretty good actually I thought. It was what we did once we won the ball back that was the problem. There was no incision, no creative passing or intelligent movement. Pochettino will change that imo.
 

poc

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Our pressing under AVB was pretty good actually I thought. It was what we did once we won the ball back that was the problem. There was no incision, no creative passing or intelligent movement. Pochettino will change that imo.
Yep the incisiveness wa avb's problem hence me mentioning eriksen as fulfilling that role for poch. I thought we pressed ok but not with the players I mentioned. I think poch will struggle with those guys and getting them to set the tone for the team. Most agree that a forward line that comprises the ones I mentioned is something poch needs to get working but with his style that may be difficult as I think that group are better suited to counter attacking.
 

tototoner

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Given the candidates, I firmly believe he was the least risk (given we have see his team play) and most logical choice.

IMO, there is only one question mark hanging over him - his buys in transfer market.

Wanyama & Osvaldo, his 2 big summer signings have been failures, with Lovren being the only success. But then, we dont know if they were his picks or Cortese's.

The good thing though is, he has got the best out of the squad given to him.
If the other 2 serious candidates were de Boer and Benitez then he was the most risky appointment for me.

His positives are possession, team work rate, individual coaching and exciting forward play.

Negatives are lack of plan B when teams park the bus and we all know how frustrating that is, losing too many games from winning positions and not taking the Cup competitions seriously.

I doubt he will have much say in the transfer market, an input yes but not the final say
 

Shadydan

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Given the candidates, I firmly believe he was the least risk (given we have see his team play) and most logical choice.

IMO, there is only one question mark hanging over him - his buys in transfer market.

Wanyama & Osvaldo, his 2 big summer signings have been failures, with Lovren being the only success. But then, we dont know if they were his picks or Cortese's.

The good thing though is, he has got the best out of the squad given to him.

That's where Baldini comes in, think Daniel wanted someone who could work with a dir of football to bring players in.
 

WestBelfast Spurs

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Given the candidates, I firmly believe he was the least risk (given we have see his team play) and most logical choice.

IMO, there is only one question mark hanging over him - his buys in transfer market.

Wanyama & Osvaldo, his 2 big summer signings have been failures, with Lovren being the only success. But then, we dont know if they were his picks or Cortese's.

The good thing though is, he has got the best out of the squad given to him.


Wasn't Victor injured a for a long period agree with the Ozvaldo guy he was a loon
 

hodsgod

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Everything could go right, and likewise everything could go wrong. I predict it will be somewhere in between.
 
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