Vincent Janssen

[Lighty64]

Apologies I don't see the point being made with any of that.

The supposed injuries to those players cannot be that serious if club would be willing to spend such sums on the them.

My point is the same would apply with Dembele as well . And the pint was that him missing 11 games last season really doesn't mean that much.

it does if it clashed with an injury to Kane. if ITK said he failed a medical with us (not every club has the same medical) and Janssen passed his then Janssen was less a risk, unless he picked up a similar injury as Kane, where the medical we gave Dembele might of shown that he was a high risk of picking 1 up.

the pace and physicality they play in Scotland is nowhere near what it is in the PL

edit: to save keep quoting the Championship is not on the same level as the PL as the Dutch isn't, but Dutch teams do reasonably well in Europe, as a Championship player we were willing to risk it, but he never got past a medical, plus he wanted 1st team football, in Scotland he was always going to get that until he got injured

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I didn't say PL I said In the British game as. He has experience in the English Lower leagues and well as the Scottish league. That's a good grounding for a 20 year old.

As for Janssen, eel I don't think a tour half way round the world would have impacted him that much.

What were you expecting from Janssen? New league, new language, new tactics, high tempo football... the guy was always going to take a season or two to adapt, even ITK and Poch have said he had to be eased in. Many a success stories in the EPL have failed to hit the ground running... writing him off as a failure after his 1st season is ridiculous.

 

[TheHood]

it does if it clashed with an injury to Kane. if ITK said he failed a medical with us (not every club has the same medical) and Janssen passed his then Janssen was less a risk, unless he picked up a similar injury as Kane, where the medical we gave Dembele might of shown that he was a high risk of picking 1 up.

the pace and physicality they play in Scotland is nowhere near what it is in the PL

If he did fail a medical we have absolutely no knowledge of why that was, none. So not only is it pointless speculating of whether this happened and it is equally pointless why that may have happened.

I personally think he is a good fit, if you don't then good for you. There is no need for a discussion. speculated events and insubstantited rumours.

 

[TheHood]

What were you expecting from Janssen? New league, new language, new tactics, high tempo football... the guy was always going to take a season or two to adapt, even ITK and Poch have said he had to be eased in. Many a success stories in the EPL have failed to hit the ground running... writing him off as a failure after his 1st season is ridiculous.

I expect a £17 million striker to score more than one outfield league goal in an entire campaign. If you weee not expecting more than that the you seriously need to revisit your expectation levels. I want us to find a back up for Kane who can be relied on to score us 10-12 league goals. That is a wholly realistic and attainable demand. As for writing him off after one season. Was it ridiculous when the club wrote off Postiga after that period who has a similar record? Which strikers have endured such a season and come through this and proven to be a success before?

 

[TheHood]

Just read new language?!? He is from Holland, they speak better English than us.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

There is no need for a discussion. speculated events and insubstantited rumours.

Then get out of these threads because that's the very nature of this part of the site.

 

[Berbatonghen]

There's something about Janssen that I admire and it's quite similar to Kane. His hunger and determination. With those attributes it goes a long way. I be honest when I first watched Kane I never knew he would be this good but give the lad every credit he deserves he just did not give up on himself. And with Vincent I feel he has that same belief in him.

I truly believe if we do keep him and keep the faith he will come good. He has this aura about him as a striker that he just knows how to play whether it's back to goal or instincts in front of goal he has that ability. Imagine Janssen on real top form he can be unstoppable and I would love to see him succeed.

Now the question is seeing the position we are at and how close we are to competing at the top on a consistent basis. Do we keep the faith with him or sell and replace with someone that might be more accomplished or young but with more potential and maybe someone opposite of Kane with a bit of pace and explosiveness?

His attitude and commitment is first class it's just integrating his belief onto the pitch and with the way he ended this season he had shown a fair bit of promise that I was impressed with. He is a very clever striker that can be an absolute nuisance to defenders, his link up play really impresses me and I feel how we are set up is excellent for the likes of Eriksen Alli, Son and Lamela to play off him. But of course the most important attribute to his game will be to finish off his chances. That will come especially once he settles in the league completely.

It's a tough one tbh but either way I support the manager with this decision. But I am more then happy to keep Vincent and make him prove to everyone that he can really become a real class striker.

 

[TheHood]

Then get out of these threads because that's the very nature of this part of the site.

The point was about a failed medical that hasn't been confirmed and if his was true and it did happen there has been absolutely nothing posted anywhere as to why that was failed. I don't know whether any of his happened or not so it won't be a consideration in me in wanting him at th club. Others are perfectly entitled to do so if they wish to, I just don't want to go down that route.

 

[daveduvet]

The point was about a failed medical that hasn't been confirmed and if his was true and it did happen there has been absolutely nothing posted anywhere as to why that was failed. I don't know whether any of his happened or not so it won't be a consideration in me in wanting him at th club. Others are perfectly entitled to do so if they wish to, I just don't want to go down that route.

ITK suggested he failed a medical. Dunno where it is on the site but that was the outcome for him not signing...

 

[tiger666]

ITK suggested he failed a medical. Dunno where it is on the site but that was the outcome for him not signing...

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ns-for-stoke-city.127181/page-13#post-5328382

 

[Mairtin123]

Dream scenario would be Martial, that would solve the Janssen and Sissoko problem in one go but that unfortunately is highly unlikely.

I hope and I suspect we will go for Dembele at Celtic. I wanted him previously and he fits the profile.

lazyist player I've ever seen,watched all Celtic games this season, may be because he was finding it easy or he was always carrying injuries. personally don't think he be a success at tottenham

 

[Krule]

The problem I have with the lad is that whenever I watch him play he always seems slightly 'off the pace'. This obviously is nothing to do with his physical condition (not with Poch around) but perhaps more to do with his speed of reaction to a situation. As an older member I can best like it to Dad's Army when Corporal Jones stood to attention a second after everyone else...just my opinion of course.

 

[Pellshek]

Dream scenario would be Martial, that would solve the Janssen and Sissoko problem in one go but that unfortunately is highly unlikely.

For some ridiculous reason I keep holding out some weird glimmer of hope about Martial. Don't know why, because it's basically impossible, but I hate seeing him not playing at Manyoo (although he did get a run at the back end of the season) and think he's still got another level to go up.

 

[harrmaud]

I heard from someone at Fulham that Dembele has a heart problem, hence they were very keen to get rid of him. Didn't hear about the ITK at the time, but makes sense, and also makes sense that we wouldn't want to get him.

 

[Sweech]

I expect a £17 million striker to score more than one outfield league goal in an entire campaign. If you weee not expecting more than that the you seriously need to revisit your expectation levels. I want us to find a back up for Kane who can be relied on to score us 10-12 league goals. That is a wholly realistic and attainable demand. As for writing him off after one season. Was it ridiculous when the club wrote off Postiga after that period who has a similar record? Which strikers have endured such a season and come through this and proven to be a success before?

Is 10-12 goals a wholly realistic demand?

Name me a backup PL striker with those numbers.

 

[TheHood]

Is 10-12 goals a wholly realistic demand?

Name me a backup PL striker with those numbers.

Giroud and then you have the likes of Origi who got close. You had Benteke do this at Liverpool and Innehacio at City get close. We had Defoe previously who could be relied on when Keane didn't play.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Giroud and then you have the likes of Origi who got close. You had Benteke do this at Liverpool and Innehacio at City get close. We had Defoe previously who could be relied on when Keane didn't play.

What a load of bollocks. Two aren't back-ups and two who's stats are pretty much similar to Jansens. Adding Defoe to the list is just embarrassing.

You really are quite the troll aren't you?

 

[TheHood]

What a load of bollocks. Two aren't back-ups and two who's stats are pretty much similar to Jansens. Adding Defoe to the list is just embarrassing.

You really are quite the troll aren't you?

Giroud was back up to Sanchez, he was used primarily from the bench and scored primarily coming off it. Origi isn't a starter for Liverpool and scored 7 outfield goals for them last season in the league. Beneteke wasn't favoured by Klopp at Liverpool but still managed 9 goals during his time there and Inneachio scored eight that season coming off the bench and would most likely have done the same last season had they not signed Jesus. As for Defoe, why is that embarrassing? He scored 11 league goals in Berbatovs first season despite playing a second role to Keane. This is exactly what we are after, a player who can cover Kane but who can also come of the bench and also contribute goals. None of the players I have mentioned are world beaters and those expectations are not unrelatistic to have.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Giroud was back up to Sanchez, he was used primarily from the bench and scored primarily coming off it. Origi isn't a starter for Liverpool and scored 7 outfield goals for them last season in the league. Beneteke wasn't favoured by Klopp at Liverpool but still managed 9 goals during his time there and Inneachio scored eight that season coming off the bench and would most likely have done the same last season had they not signed Jesus. As for Defoe, why is that embarrassing? He scored 11 league goals in Berbatovs first season despite playing a second role to Keane. This is exactly what we are after, a player who can cover Kane but who can also come of the bench and also contribute goals. None of the players I have mentioned are world beaters and those expectations are not unrelatistic to have.

Giroud has played over 200 games for Arsenal, he's been first choice for much of that time.
Benteke was simply out of favour and not a 'back up'
Defoe well, the vast difference in experience between him and Jansen doesn't need explaining.

None of them are or were in their first season in a new country/league and both have much experience of playing in England/EPL, you're comparing Jansen to these three. Jesus christ.

Your expectations from Jansen and totally unrealistic if you're using the above as any sort of yardstick. Of course he'll compare unfavourably.

The others have overall pretty similar stats to Jansen.

Iheanacho 29 apps 7 goals
Origi 43 apps 11 goals
Jansen 35 apps 6 goals

But you know all this already. You know what you're doing.

 

[littlewilly]

Just read new language?!? He is from Holland, they speak better English than us.

Quite right. They would say 'unsubstantiated' rather than 'insubstantited'.