Tottenham Vs Man City: Match Thread

[ohh Teddy Teddy]

£200,00 a week.

But summer 2010 (when we should of bought bim)

we had:

Keane (£60k)
Crouch (£60k)
Defoe (£50k)
Pav (£50k).

We should of got rid of them and just got Dzeko :think:

 

[Paolo10]

I think we agree on a few points, especially as last-minute transfers have been standard operating procedure for a while......that is why I think some blame goes towards Levy.

As for performances against Utd and City, you will see during the year that a lot of the mid and bottom level teams will give them a better game that we did. We just rolled over in both games. Conceeding 5 at home to any team is just embarransing.

Many on here have been saying for a while that HR is out of his depth. Harry hasn't proven anyone wrong so far, has he. The problem is we haven't had a manager who is both good with tactics and with man-management for a while. If there weren't any better coaches out there we could get tomorrow, I would agree, but I think there are a couple we could bring in tomorrow who would be an instant upgrade over HR.

You're ignoring just how good City were, you think some kind of wonder tactics can combat that level of performance? If City put in that performance level against other teams, it's a 10-0 job mate... although again, other chances go in and it's a different game, a bit like last week. We need players plain and simple and we need a fit squad to pick from.

Fucking judge at the end of the season and as for judging HR as not being good enough etc., we missed out on the top 4 last season because of our strikers, not HR, we murdered teams worse that City murdered us today and came out with draws. The striker issue should have been sorted a long long time ago.

The next 3-4 days will make or break us.

Edit: Aguero and Dzeko in our team would challenge for the title, CL last year would pretty much have been nailed on IMO. We can't compete with that kind of spending power, City are Chelsea all over again.

 

[USAYID]

I agree with some of what you say but to say that some people support the team more than others is quite an astouding thing to say. It's all different perspectives afterall.

Didn't mean to imply that that everyone who I would call blindly optimistic doesn;t support the team as much as those shouting for improvement. I was simply trying to point out that those who are optimistic shouldn't think that everyone who is unhappy with the status quo is a fair-weather fan, who isn't happy unless they are complaining about something.

 

[StartingPrice]

Didn't mean to imply that that everyone who I would call blindly optimistic doesn;t support the team as much as those shouting for improvement. I was simply trying to point out that those who are optimistic shouldn't think that everyone who is unhappy with the status quo is a fair-weather fan, who isn't happy unless they are complaining about something.

And neither should you categorise anyone who is optimisitic as being blindly optimistic.

 

[USAYID]

You're ignoring just how good City were, you think some kind of wonder tactics can combat that level of performance? If City put in that performance level against other teams, it's a 10-0 job mate... although again, other chances go in and it's a different game, a bit like last week. We need players plain and simple and we need a fit squad to pick from.

Fucking judge at the end of the season and as for judging HR as not being good enough etc., we missed out on the top 4 last season because of our strikers, not HR, we murdered teams worse that City murdered us today and came out with draws. The striker issue should have been sorted a long long time ago.

The next 3-4 days will make or break us.

Again, agree with most of what you say, but:

If HR went into the game knowing that City were miles ahead of us, then he should have set up a system where we could at least get a point out of the game. Nico and Modric in CM was suicide.

Agree we need players to come in, espcially quality players. Fitness is the responsibility of the manager. Failure on the part of HR.

Yes, we missed top 4 last season because of the strikers.....who's responsibility was that? Oh yeah, Harry's. This is the same man who, by many ITK accounts, didn't think Suarez wasn't good enough, anc continues to only play Pav as a lone striker when it is clear he is neither good enough, or interested in that role.

Also, in those games that ended up in draws, I would have expected HR to motivate / coach / change up the teams if all else fails. He just sat on his arse during those games, and came up with excuse after excuse " oh, their goalkeeper had the game of his life against us......." .

Agree, the striker issue should have been sorted ages ago, and the next few days will show exactly where our ambitions lie.

 

[Jaydog]

Again as soon as I saw the line up I knew we would either have to be very clinical (with our finishing, little chance) or be extremely lucky. You just cant play that open against that forward line.

Something that does really concern me is the amount of goals we concede from crosses....5 from 2 games is simply not good enough

we either dont do enough to stop the crosses or our centre backs fall asleep

 

[USAYID]

And neither should you categorise anyone who is optimisitic as being blindly optimistic.

Without any incomings (in additon to Parker), it is blind optimism mate. We've been hearing " have faith" for ages now. We've heard ITK from the begining of summer that the lessons of past tranfer windows have been learnt. Well, 3 days before it closes, the best we've managed is a 40 year old gk, 2 kids (the only really exciting news so far), and 2 loans. Instead of trying to chase Rossi, Llorente and Aguero all summer, we should have done our business on effective, but lesser known targets. Now we're left with Ade, who we hope will be the answer, but let's face it, we don't really know if he will stay interested, and for how long.

Don't get me wrong, we should inquire after the Rossi's of the world, but once they reject us, we should move on, and quickly.

Edit: I call it blind optimism, because there is very little to give me a warm and fuzzy feeling that the club is going to be able to pull off the needed transfers in the last few days, never mind that big signing we've been promised for most of the summer.

 

[sheringmann]

We played two midfielders not up for the cause, looking for a way out of the club and they will only make sure they arent injured. Baaad judgement by Arry!

They pressured us high up the field because we had no striker to play behind the defence..and we continued for too long...

Oh well...learn and regroup...

 

[kaz Hirai]

well im back, having left the horror show when the 3rd goal went in, broke my heart further to see we conceded another 2.

ok controversial point number 1, i dont think gomes would concede 5 goals, even if its down to him coming out and so called flapping or making seemingly rash decisions which might have stopped some of those going in. the man is adventitious and gets nothing but grief for taking matters into his own hands. I still think brad was a mistake and he is keeping out the much better keeper, san massive howlers which you get maybe 4 times a season, gomes is just more of a obstacle and harder to beat and earns more points than he loses

2. aaron lennon has been shite for awhile now, and i wouldnt say no to anything over 10 million for him, either way you cant play him and bale in the same team which leads to point number 3...

3. if you're gonna fit vdv, modric and bale into the same team then redknapp cant stick with his old school 4-4-2, the current formation is 4-4-2 because thats all red seems to know how to play, vdv naturally just makes it appear to be a 4:4:1:1

4. redknapp has really poor taste in players, parker is just gonna be another pienaar

5. things are gonna get worse before they get better, i predict we will lose to both wolves and liverpool, or 1 point at best

6. dawson and bassong (with gomes) were pretty solid, why has kaboul suddenly become the one, he is as naive as dawson which creates double trouble. 8 goals in two games says it all

7. redknapp should be embarrassed with that starting lineup

now on the positive side, when gallas and sandro are back in a couple of months we'll be ok, and looking quite good again

 

[ShayLaB]

But summer 2010 (when we should of bought bim)

we had:

Keane (£60k)
Crouch (£60k)
Defoe (£50k)
Pav (£50k).

We should of got rid of them and just got Dzeko :think:

LOL...haven't you been watching for the last two months to see how hard it is to get rid of underwhelming players.

 

[gp13tot]

Why would people act like we should be (emphatically) beaten by Utd and more importantly City at home??



On that basis we might as well just not turn up for those games?? and then on that basis why bother qualifying for the champions league as there is a gulf between us and the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona. Im sorry but that makes no sense.

There is 38 games in a season, you dont just say we are definately going to loose 6-8 of them. YOU COMPETE and represent your club

Agree with the above. However we were well in the game at OT for 55 mins but we never believed we could beat em when they were there for the taking. Characters like Parker and/or Diarra would help the team immensely, and results like todays make me realise how much we've got to thank Ledley for, when he trots out against the big guns we look solid at the back. Without him, oh dear. Kaboul is marginally better than his first spell, but still not far from Yuseless. Dawson is fine alongside a King/Gallas type, but alongside anyone else, all of a sudden he has plenty of mistakes in him. So a CB a la Samba or someone with that never say die spirit is needed as we couldn't get King fit for even one of these first two games.

Look at the fluidity and RESULTS of the two Manc sides, money spent early and players settled into the squad and playing well, and Man Ure have had injuries as well. I don't expect Levy to spunk cash willy nilly but if we're talking a saving of a million or two i don't see how it's worth it if we're losing games and falling behind

So, without the players that we need in the squad, surely you pick the team that can get the best result with what's left? Modders and Niko in CM against Yaya, Silva and Nasri is unbelievably poor, and not in hindsight, people were saying similar when the teams were announced at 12:45. So HR has to take the blame for that, no way Spurs should get beat 5-1 by ANYONE at home, including Barcelona. Our home record is usually excellent, so why should we now accept that we oughta be beaten comfortably just because they've spent money? Poor team selection. Why couldn't Livermore play? Yes he's young but he's not unfit and the chance to establish himself in the side against Citeh would have been motivation enough to hit his straps and perform well for at least 60 mins until THudd could have come on

I'm really concerned about this season, Wolves are a good side it's no guarantee we'll get a result there. Stoke away in the CC is tough also and in 4 weeks time we could easily be out of two competitions. Just hope we can get the right players in, e. g ones with a bit of spirit and determination, and we can start moving upwards again.

TTID CSWY

(sorry bout long post, lots to say like all of us)

 

[Paolo10]

Again, agree with most of what you say, but:

If HR went into the game knowing that City were miles ahead of us, then he should have set up a system where we could at least get a point out of the game. Nico and Modric in CM was suicide.

Agree we need players to come in, espcially quality players. Fitness is the responsibility of the manager. Failure on the part of HR.

Yes, we missed top 4 last season because of the strikers.....who's responsibility was that? Oh yeah, Harry's. This is the same man who, by many ITK accounts, didn't think Suarez wasn't good enough, anc continues to only play Pav as a lone striker when it is clear he is neither good enough, or interested in that role.

Also, in those games that ended up in draws, I would have expected HR to motivate / coach / change up the teams if all else fails. He just sat on his arse during those games, and came up with excuse after excuse " oh, their goalkeeper had the game of his life against us......." .

Agree, the striker issue should have been sorted ages ago, and the next few days will show exactly where our ambitions lie.

If he set up for a point at home, he'd have been murdered here.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Diarra or Parker in by now would have made a hell of a difference, no-one knows really who that's down to, but I doubt it's HR tbh, who you've just had a pop at for calling games as he's seen them. Joe Hart last season at the Lane made the difference, this season it was Dzeko.

 

[StanSpur]

At least utd have done even better against the arse! Oh to be a fan in Manchester right now

 

[Shep]

If he set up for a point at home, he'd have been murdered here.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

However, surely a logical mind would agree it makes sense to set up to keep it relatively tight?

If by some miracle we'd have been 0-0 after an hour having taken a different approach. A chance against the run of play could have won us the game. I know that statement makes me appear as if I've been smoking crack but good teams, when necessary, win ugly in adversity (red cards, suspensions, injuries, etc)

 

[USAYID]

If he set up for a point at home, he'd have been murdered here.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Diarra or Parker in by now would have made a hell of a difference, no-one knows really who that's down to, but I doubt it's HR tbh, who you've just had a pop at for calling games as he's seen them. Joe Hart last season at the Lane made the difference, this season it was Dzeko.

Not what I was advocating, but if he thought that the gulf was too big in terms of quality of the 2 teams, then that's what he should have done. I wouldn't have minded trying to get a point, or nicking it with a counter attack, but losing 5-1 shows how unimaginative and lack of ideas he is. He didn't even change the formation of the team or anything.....he just basically gave up, along with the players.

Parker / Diarra may have helped - agreed. But without them, then he should have come up with another plan, or tried something else. As has been said many times already, Niko and Luka in CM against Nasri, Toure and Barry was just plain stupid.

 

[vavaboom]

at least the gooners are getting trounced too!

 

[USAYID]

However, surely a logical mind would agree it makes sense to set up to keep it relatively tight?

If by some miracle we'd have been 0-0 after an hour having taken a different approach. A chance against the run of play could have won us the game. I know that statement makes me appear as if I've been smoking crack but good teams, when necessary, win ugly in adversity (red cards, suspensions, injuries, etc)

This

 

[Paolo10]

How would you have 'kept it tight' exactly? Livermore and Huddlestone? Do tell, I'm intrigued.

The best team available was picked, Modric went through the motions and City were just dominant...Huddlestone and Livermore haven't been great by any stretch of the imagination in their last games. Palacios, not available as he hasn't been shifted yet (yawn...deadwood etc.).

On another day with Dzeko not bang on fire it's a different result. Shit happens, Wolves next then. Hopefully with some new blood finally.

If we don't spend more than £40m in the next 3 days I will be very, very dissappointed.

 

[StartingPrice]

Didn't mean to imply that that everyone who I would call blindly optimistic doesn;t support the team as much as those shouting for improvement. I was simply trying to point out that those who are optimistic shouldn't think that everyone who is unhappy with the status quo is a fair-weather fan, who isn't happy unless they are complaining about something.

Without any incomings (in additon to Parker), it is blind optimism mate. We've been hearing " have faith" for ages now. We've heard ITK from the begining of summer that the lessons of past tranfer windows have been learnt. Well, 3 days before it closes, the best we've managed is a 40 year old gk, 2 kids (the only really exciting news so far), and 2 loans. Instead of trying to chase Rossi, Llorente and Aguero all summer, we should have done our business on effective, but lesser known targets. Now we're left with Ade, who we hope will be the answer, but let's face it, we don't really know if he will stay interested, and for how long.

Don't get me wrong, we should inquire after the Rossi's of the world, but once they reject us, we should move on, and quickly.

Edit: I call it blind optimism, because there is very little to give me a warm and fuzzy feeling that the club is going to be able to pull off the needed transfers in the last few days, never mind that big signing we've been promised for most of the summer.

1) Our squad is young and improving. There was* plenty of reason to believe that they would improve, naturally, just for being a year older, and with a year's further experience, including CL experience. So, I do not except your position that it is impossible for improvement to be seen unless it is via incoming transfers.

2) Adebayor will improve us massively - he couldn't play today. We had a central midfield minus a defensive midfielder, today - we are in for one, maybe two, top quality ones. And Sandro is injured. We have also signed the lad from Juventus who, likewise, couldn't play today. I don;t think we've seen the end of the transfer business.

All of this makes my optimism reasoned and not blind - even if you disagree with the causes of my reasoning, you can see, clearly how it is reasoned. Therefore it is reasoned optimism that you disagree with, and not blind optimism.

3) * The little <CENSOR EVASION> Modric has really stiffed us this Summer...and I still wouldn't allow him to leave until we are ready too, and never to Chelsea. he ahs ruined our preseason and our first couple of games...I would happily pay to see his career ruined, sitting on the bench for the next 4 years.

 

[Supersi32]

How would you have 'kept it tight' exactly? Livermore and Huddlestone? Do tell, I'm intrigued.

The best team available was picked, Modric went through the motions and City were just dominant...Huddlestone and Livermore haven't been great by any stretch of the imagination in their last games. Palacios, not available as he hasn't been shifted yet (yawn...deadwood etc.).

On another day with Dzeko not bang on fire it's a different result. Shit happens, Wolves next then. Hopefully with some new blood finally.

If we don't spend more than £40m in the next 3 days I will be very, very dissappointed.

How does Cole, Bellamy & Parker sound....?