Tottenham Takeover Talk

[Japhet]

Then you should also have a massive issue with uk as a large amount of the infrastructure investments are being done by Middle Eastern countries. Maybe we should close uk to all foreign countries who cultural and religious beliefs are not the same as what we deem acceptable today ( even if that same thing was deemed unacceptable yesterday)

A lot of what you talk about is pretty much under the radar. The information is there if you want to dig it up, but that's a bit different to extremely high profile stuff like ownership of, or major investment in universally recognized brands such as football clubs. Many diligent people do take time to weed out products they're not happy about, but it takes some effort.

 

[Sok786]

You are conflating a lots of different things here and trying to build a moral strawman. That is a very different issue to the one this thread is for, so i am not going to go down the moral rabbit hole you are trying to. But in short, yes i am uncomfortable with repressive regimes using economic investments in the UK to increase their soft power and launder their reputation. I am not as upset by them doing that with infrastructure projects as i am with Tottenham because i don't have a season ticket to my local nuclear power station...

This I have no issue with - you don’t like the way they run thier country etc - it’s your right . Just like it’s others right to agree / disagree

I have an issue when people start to bring religion into it ( yes I am a Muslim season ticket holder ) and make comments which are not acceptable ( and I am sure you understand what I mean )

 

[Japhet]

Has anyone got any popcorn?

I had some but I unwittingly got it from Sainsburys, so it's now in the bin.

 

[bc205]

This I have no issue with - you don’t like the way they run thier country etc - it’s your right . Just like it’s others right to agree / disagree

I have an issue when people start to bring religion into it ( yes I am a Muslim season ticket holder ) and make comments which are not acceptable ( and I am sure you understand what I mean )

People don't have a problem with the Qatari state's religion. They have a problem with a fundamentally religious regime using that religion as an excuse for repressing minorities within their population. You would have the same objections being made if a repressive Christian regime was trying to buy a stake to launder their reputation.

 

[jonnyrotten]

This I have no issue with - you don’t like the way they run thier country etc - it’s your right . Just like it’s others right to agree / disagree

I have an issue when people start to bring religion into it ( yes I am a Muslim season ticket holder ) and make comments which are not acceptable ( and I am sure you understand what I mean )

I hope you didn't feel offended by my comments. I do stand by them, and trust they can be taken as concerns relating to the regime and their practices rather than a slight on islam as a whole. Right, back to the transfer rumours thread i go!

 

[HildoSpur]

Can we take a list of all the posters saying that if this happens they will no longer support Spurs so we can call them all out when they are busy in the match threads after the deal is done?

 

[Trix]

Can we take a list of all the posters saying that if this happens they will no longer support Spurs so we can call them all out when they are busy in the match threads after the deal is done?

TBF very few posters "support Spurs" in the match threads.

 

[HildoSpur]

TBF very few posters "support Spurs" in the match threads.

That is a fair point . I think we all know that the vast majority (if not every single one of them) wringing their hands and saying they will no longer be a Spurs fan if this happens are full of it.

 

[Sok786]

People don't have a problem with the Qatari state's religion. They have a problem with a fundamentally religious regime using that religion as an excuse for repressing minorities within their population. You would have the same objections being made if a repressive Christian regime was trying to buy a stake to launder their reputation.

As an example - I assume you are ok if the French state bought into the club. You know that in France people are not allowed to follow thier believes freely ( women are banned from certain beaches if they are covered up ) etc

anyway - my point is , don’t bring the religion into it

as joinyrotten says - time to go to the transfer section ..

 

[Ribble]

I know that folks are backing this because they're sick of not winning anything, but does anyone truly think that the solution to that is to become another part of the problem?

 

[Japhet]

Can we take a list of all the posters saying that if this happens they will no longer support Spurs so we can call them all out when they are busy in the match threads after the deal is done?

Yes, if that's the sort of thing that makes you happy.

 

[HildoSpur]

Yes, if that's the sort of thing that makes you happy.

Thanks mate, it would.

 

[wearetheparklane]

Can we take a list of all the posters saying that if this happens they will no longer support Spurs so we can call them all out when they are busy in the match threads after the deal is done?

I'd expect there is a strong correlation between the people that avoid that match thread and those who also believe the club being funded by an autocratic repressive country government is a bad thing. ?

 

[HildoSpur]

I'd expect there is a strong correlation between the people that avoid that match thread and those who also believe the club being funded by an autocratic repressive country government. ?

I think you know the point I'm making.

 

[Gb160]

Can we take a list of all the posters saying that if this happens they will no longer support Spurs so we can call them all out when they are busy in the match threads after the deal is done?

Rob will be able to cut down on the servers should the investment go ahead ?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Didn’t we get ITK last year about this time about potential minority investment into the club? Maybe this is just an annual round up by Levy to gauge interest?

 

[Albertbarich]

I know that folks are backing this because they're sick of not winning anything, but does anyone truly think that the solution to that is to become another part of the problem?

I'm not against it but it's not because I think we will suddenly become an English PSG. Far from it.

The world has changed, there are states that have a lot of wealth due to natural resources that know it won't last forever and are looking to spread the wealth around to future proof it I guess

The list of companies that have been invested in is seemingly endless, like it or not you can't avoid it.

To take it back to yesterdays debate about mobile phones is the crux of it for me. People rightly point out they have a right to an opinion and you can't dismiss it because they're simply partaking in modern life. And their right but it seems to me that were then expecting football clubs to hold themselves to a higher standard than pretty much everyone else

Us fans pretty much have to use mobile phones to really get on, I mean you can use a ten quid nokia if you want but with the stuff we use and store on them you would struggle without a smartphone. We (I) work for companies owned or part owned by oil states whether we know it or not. We use social media platforms , apps, shops etc that are part owned by them. You get the drift.

If you don't you would almost have to withdraw from modern life. So no I don't blame anyone.

But then you're expecting your football club which is a private company owned by people who want just like the rest of us to make money to not partake in it . You're expecting them to ignore the fact the organisations theyre in are in with them, ignore the fact you play clubs owned by them and ignore you likely use sponsors part owned by them and refuse to let them take investment from them even though the investment is absolutely everywhere around them because of some supposed moral high ground we have?

I used to be angry just like many but what are you fighting? The money is all around us, they clearly don't care if we like them or not and it's going to come to every team at one point.

If you really can't handle it then ( not you personally I mean in general) then walk away now because football went a long time ago. Even our own government which sells weapons to the Saudis and pushed through their purchase of the barcodes have gone.

 

[bubble07]

What is the downside for ENIC? I can't see one. They sell for 25% at min market value and they wont have to pay as much on transfers

 

[Trix]

I know that folks are backing this because they're sick of not winning anything, but does anyone truly think that the solution to that is to become another part of the problem?

If they are adamant that they are going to invest in the Prem then we can become part of the problem or we can be pushed further down the pyramid as a result. Either way we lose in some respect, and they still get their minority stake somewhere.

As I say I was against this for years but as it becomes more of a reality that it may happen it's worth taking the time to do some research into how far they have come in the last 20-25 years as well as what they are still doing you are opposed to. As I say it is not a quick fix to change the thinking of generations of Qatari's who have lived a certain way with certain beliefs for as long as time, but they are evolving and taking on more western thinking and practices a lot faster than the West did.

Yes they still have a long way to go but they are not the all evil regime they are made out to be by the press, and for whatever reason they are moving in this direction. Be it for political, financial or moral reasons they are moving in the right direction and I'd say the more they interact with the west the younger generations will become more and more in line with it's thinking.

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[Dillspur]

I boycotted the world cup, if it was a complete takeover then I think I'd be done. I'm against them having any part of our club but those regimes have invested heavily into western society.