Tottenham Takeover Talk

[For the love of Spurs]

Do I want Qatar investment near us? No. Perhaps there's a geopolitical argument to be made for limiting any stake to 25%, but if they are going to invest then i'd rather they just bought the whole thing. Levy in bed with Qatar is the worst of both worlds. DL is delusional enough to think that the problem on the pitch is a lack of cash rather than his own meddling in affairs.

That is an issue. We have always assumed Levy for good or bad behaves the way he behaves because of tight budget. But what if he is pathalogical and will behave exactly the same no matter the situation.

we will have tons of cash but still lowball, leave key positions un-filled and take quick win gambles at the expense of a clear plan. What if money doesn’t change much because we still think the same.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Why can't we be like Liverpool or even Arsenal atm? We can be taken over without blood money at least.

that would require Levy to step back entirely, give Paratici a free reign to think and act Long term unhindered. Not going to happen.

 

[BigVic]

I think the question i'd ask myself is would it affect how I support the club, and it wouldn't, so yes I wouldn't have an issue with it.

 

[Wig]

I don't believe in whataboutery - just because other rival clubs have had "dodgy" owners/investors, it doesn't mean that makes it alright for others to follow suit to be competitive.

The Middle East gets a very bad rep, but from many trips out to the region over the past 20 years I can see how progressive they are, and they are showing a strong desire for change towards what we consider civilised here in the Western world. The difficulty is to balance that progression with respect for their historic culture and religion, but it is improving. Whilst we have every right to criticise, criticism should be constructive and supportive to help them reach the standards we expect from civilised societies.

So to answer the thread's question I personally want to focus on what matters to me as Spurs fan... Would a substantial investment like this help Spurs? Yes it would.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and wiser minds than me will think differently and I respect that.

 

[arunspurs]

One thing that I’ve not seen anyone mention yet is the fact that we’d essentially be PSGs bitch. All the quotes so far suggest that QSI want a multi club model in a similar way to City group.

The other clubs in that group are essentially feeder clubs.

That should also be a concern.

We wont be anyone's bitch.
QSI bought PSG for 70m in 2011, its latest valuation is 3.2bn. If QSI bought 25% for 1bn then ours is worth 4bn. Valuation wise we are in par with them. Ofcourse playing squad wise, we will be inferior in initial years & thats about it.
On a medium to long term basis, we would have equal or better footing.

We certainly wont be SC Braga, who QSI also invested 22% in Oct2022.

 

[KaribYid]

One thing that I’ve not seen anyone mention yet is the fact that we’d essentially be PSGs bitch. All the quotes so far suggest that QSI want a multi club model in a similar way to City group.

The other clubs in that group are essentially feeder clubs.

That should also be a concern.

I doubt that'd be the case tbh. The main difference is that City group owns majority stakes in all the clubs in their network. The Qatari's (if it happens) would own a minority with ENIC still owning the club. Can't see Levy allowing us to become anyone's feeder club nor do I think it's in the Qatari's best interest to devalue what could be their most valuable asset in a PL club to boost PSG who is probably at peak value.

 

[mil1lion]

I wouldn't welcome it but I also wouldn't make a big deal about it. I'll still follow us and would honestly love to win titles. We tried it the pure way and still failed so not going to complain if we do the other way. I would have followed us in the Super League too. Tottenham til I die.

 

[Freddie]

You're all missing the point. It's a minority share. Levy is still around and we still can't sign any players until he sanctions a sale for Tanganga for less than 20 million.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I don't believe in whataboutery - just because other rival clubs have had "dodgy" owners/investors, it doesn't mean that makes it alright for others to follow suit to be competitive.

The Middle East gets a very bad rep, but from many trips out to the region over the past 20 years I can see how progressive they are, and they are showing a strong desire for change towards what we consider civilised here in the Western world. The difficulty is to balance that progression with respect for their historic culture and religion, but it is improving. Whilst we have every right to criticise, criticism should be constructive and supportive to help them reach the standards we expect from civilised societies.

So to answer the thread's question I personally want to focus on what matters to me as Spurs fan... Would a substantial investment like this help Spurs? Yes it would.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and wiser minds than me will think differently and I respect that.

Issue is as I raised before we would be owned by the government. I have zero dislike/like or anything for people of that country, it’s just another place good and bad in its own way but Tottenham Hotspur isn’t owned by the British government, however we would be part owned by Qatar.

Being owned by a government links you too a government, it would be only part investment which isn’t Man City. If this was just a random Middle Eastern company it’s different but government owned has always made me uneasy.

 

[glacierSpurs]

We wont be anyone's bitch.
QSI bought PSG for 70m in 2011, its latest valuation is 3.2bn. If QSI bought 25% for 1bn then ours is worth 4bn. Valuation wise we are in par with them. Ofcourse playing squad wise, we will be inferior in initial years & thats about it.
On a medium to long term basis, we would have equal or better footing.

We certainly wont be SC Braga, who QSI also invested 22% in Oct2022.

Props to Levy for this TBH. Types of owners aside, just imagine if we are totally bought over and heavily invested on the field giving us higher chances to compete...

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Props to Levy for this TBH. Types of owners aside, just imagine if we are totally bought over and heavily invested on the field giving us higher chances to compete...

that’s obviously a big if. However we have Conte and if Conte is happy to continue that gives some indication that we could be getting large investment. Conte won’t be happy just playing for top 4 each season.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I love Tottenham, I will continue to support the club anyway. The game is corrupt and in a way being part of it makes you a part of that.

The Tottenham of my mind, is the cup winning team, flashy players and exciting football, the so called Spurs way. The club now is more like an accounting and business venture with a football team sort of attached. That is ENIC, we sell to Qatar and it’s more a load of dodgy cash venture. When it comes down to it I just want to see us play great football and have a laugh.

 

[Tucker]

I doubt that'd be the case tbh. The main difference is that City group owns majority stakes in all the clubs in their network. The Qatari's (if it happens) would own a minority with ENIC still owning the club. Can't see Levy allowing us to become anyone's feeder club nor do I think it's in the Qatari's best interest to devalue what could be their most valuable asset in a PL club to boost PSG who is probably at peak value.

You and @arunspurs are both assuming that they’re doing this for the money. The ROI that these guys are looking for isn’t measured in pounds or dollars. We’d be a political tool.

Aside from the moral stuff that I’ve discussed at length, I’d have real concern that they’d be look to interfere in our dealings should PSGs interests come into conflict with our own.

 

[thebenjamin]

interesting to think where we would 'accept' investment / new owners from. It's a very small pool. Mad billionaire - although even that is probably unrealistic now given the figures involved - US consortium out for profit, Middle East or I guess Asia. China I presume would fall under a similar category to Qatar. Maybe Korea? Although I suspect if we were getting anything big from that Sonny's homeland it would've happened by now.

 

[Gb160]

One thing that I’ve not seen anyone mention yet is the fact that we’d essentially be PSGs bitch. All the quotes so far suggest that QSI want a multi club model in a similar way to City group.

The other clubs in that group are essentially feeder clubs.

That should also be a concern.

It's a fair point but there's also the possibility that they've realised the French League gets nowhere near the exposure worldwide than the PL does. Im not suggesting that PSG will be our feeder club but given time we could well be QSI's priority.

 

[spursfan77]

The £1bn would be to purchase a stake in the club from Enic, therefore surely the £1bn goes to Enic.

Nobody knows

 

[spursfan77]

My stupid brain still work out if ENIC give 25% for 1 billion then ENIC are clearly happy. But what then happens to the club investment side? Why would QSI then pay hundreds of millions on transfers if that amount isn't matched by ENIC who own 75%

So the value of the club goes up?

If that is the case then ENIC would be idiots not to do a deal like this. Can there be assurances that QSI will pump in X amount for transfers

They wouldn’t be buying us to then not invest in the club or else what’s the point?

Have a search for the Ben Jacobs interview on LWOS. He says they’d put cash in. About 15 minutes in.

 

[Albertbarich]

It's a fair point but there's also the possibility that they've realised the French League gets nowhere near the exposure worldwide than the PL does. Im not suggesting that PSG will be our feeder club but given time we could well be QSI's priority.

No way are the paying a billion quid for quarter of our club just to be a feeder.

Especially with our infrastructure.

I suspect the plan is for them to control a team in Paris and one in London. Two major European cities.

Although if they want to send their youth prospects our way I wouldn't say no!

 

[Steffen]

I’ll burn my Spurs kits.

 

[chas vs dave]

I'm indifferent about it tbh. I'll make my mind up if it happens.

Losing my shit over something that probably won't happen seems like a massive waste of energy.