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Tom Carroll - Will he make it with us or not?

What will become of Tom Carroll?


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EnfieldYiddo

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Aug 6, 2012
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Tom Carroll returns presumably, back into the first team fold for next season.

Two seasons ago I remember there being quite the discussion on here regarding Carroll and his potential.

Many believed he would go on to be a top star for us, several even entertaining the idea of him becoming the next 'Modric'.

I was firmly in the camp that he could potentially become a star for us, I really liked what he seemed to bring to the team (he was also home-grown, young etc.)

This season, Carroll has had a very indifferent season with QPR. I understand he is the supposed 'assister of the assister' or 'metronome' but in 26 games, he has managed 0 goals and 2 assists for QPR.

The only positive statistic I recall reading was that QPR supposedly have a slightly better win % with Carroll in the team than when he isn't, hard to use that as supporting evidence of his ability when it's a somewhat indirect statistic (also we don't know the quality of teams played or how the games panned out - he could have been a passenger all game yet QPR still won).

A quick look on QPR forums throughout various points in the season wasn't great. Early enthusiasm Carroll's desire to get on the ball quickly disappeared. Instead, fans often bemoaned his short, ineffectual passing, commenting that he was often careless with the ball when trying something more adventurous. He apparently went missing for large parts of games and complete lack of physicality, 'little boy' was often the description. Many QPR fans by the end wanted a Henry - Barton midfield two, that alone says all you need to know about how Carroll's loan spell went.

Hardly great reading so far.

On the flip-side, you could argue that the QPR loan was a poor one. A team full of mercenaries and past it players, littered with a few semi-decent footballers. They also weren't deploying tactics that would play to Carrolls strengths. So perhaps to judge Carroll on how his loan spell went there is a tad unfair? One positive note is Carroll now has more experience with roughly 3/4 of a full season of competitive football under his belt.

So, it brings us to next season - In my opinion, we still have a huge gap in our XI for a playmaker, I just don't feel Carroll is the chosen one. On the cusp of 22, with little to no top flight experience - I feel we need to look further afield for a proper playmaker. Perhaps keep him in around the squad, cameos in the league and starts in the cups. I have no doubt he will look a better player alongside the quality in our ranks compared to those of QPR.

I still feel though that it's the romantic in me that wants to keep him on and hope he succeeds. If I was brutally honest, I'd be very surprised if he even made it as a fairly regularly used squad player for us, let alone anything more.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Jan 6, 2013
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Bentelab is much better ATM. Maybe another loan to another PL club will suit him Tommy.
 

KingNothing

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Under de Boer or Pochettino, yes i think he'll at least get his chance. Maybe not next season but after we've sold Sigurdsson to Real Madrid definitely
 

sparx100

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Talented but the loan to QPR was not as successful as everyone hoped. I think he will have a decent career but he will need to stick in the championship for a while. Not sure that he will make it for us.
 

EnfieldYiddo

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Bentelab is much better ATM. Maybe another loan to another PL club will suit him Tommy.
In a midfield three.

Carroll - The playmaker

Bentaleb - The box to box

Capoue/Sandro - Defensive mid

Still seems perhaps underwhelming but could work in the cups and great experience.
 

yojambo

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Jun 13, 2012
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He will need a manager and a style of football that will allow him to flourish. Wether he will get that Spurs is anyone's guess. If Pochettino comes in I would expect he could play a similar role to Ward-Prowse, however their are other players well ahead of him right now.

Nothing I would love more than Carroll to become a success.
 

DaSpurs

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Jan 20, 2013
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In a midfield three.

Carroll - The playmaker

Bentaleb - The box to box

Capoue/Sandro - Defensive mid

Still seems perhaps underwhelming but could work in the cups and great experience.

I'm all for this in the early League Cup/Europa stages. I'd also love to see Holtby and Carroll coupled up in one of those games again (one of the Europas), that was brilliant to watch. Most fluid and dynamic we were all season.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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He's slightly built and will peak later in his career than some as early he'll struggle with the physicality.

Way too early to tell if he'll be able to improve on enough fronts to make it at Spurs.

Be nice to see him ave a season at the club and get some EL and League cup playing time along with sub appearances.
 

LukeBB

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Aug 4, 2013
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I'm a big fan of Carroll. He is one of those players who is tailor-made for a system which utilitises 3 in midfield. He draws comparisons with Modric because of his footballing brain, while he lacks the "inhuman" passing range Modric has developed over the years, you can see their minds working in similar ways on the pitch, their movement, positioning and ability with the ball. It's less of a "willingness" to get on the ball, it's more a natural attraction to the ball so they can move the ball out wide or into positions where it needs to be.

Sure, playing in the championship (stupid name for 2nd tier football) in a midfield 2 will expose his lack of physicality and the lack of passing options will create a sense of tedious and ineffective passing. Redknapp's coaching style relies on quality players who have the ability to express themselves and whereas Modric had the likes of VDV, Bale and Lennon to play off of, Carroll has had to play off of the likes of Barton, a deteriorated Kranjcar, Benayoun and O'Neil. Even when he was featuring for us last season, I think he did a spectacular job playing alongside Dembele, Huddlestone and Dempsey.

In a midfield 3 where he has two more physically powerful midfielders such as Sandro and Paulinho with creative players such as Eriksen, Lamela on the wings or in front of him I think we could see him flourish next season and considering how well Bentaleb played last season I think we could see him become a first team regular. At 22 he shows a maturity on the pitch far beyond his years and with age and playing time his self-confidence could flourish, it's hardly exciting to play for a team such as QPR with a coaching staff of Bond & Jordan with fans who are anxious and aggressive considering they want a swift return to the Premier League.

With time I think he can become a vital figure for Spurs, and with a growing physical presence I think we could see him linked to bigger teams, however unfortunately for Carroll, with his age and the type of player he is, his whole footballing career could hinge on the coaching and management he receives in the next 2-3 seasons, while he could become a first team member for us I could easily see him becoming the next Joe Allen, a diminutive figure who lacks the confidence their passing style depends on.

I have high hopes for Carroll and he could be a quality player but his development depends almost entirely on the appointment of the next coach.

Edit: Another loan to a Championship club could destroy him, he needs to build up his confidence and soak in quality coaching while he's still a sponge. I was gutted when he "apparently" turned down Ajax for QPR. If he goes on loan again, he needs to go either abroad or to a team with the ethos of a passing game, the only teams in England with this style are us, Liverpool and Arsenal (I would mention Swansea but their football has suffered since Monk took over).
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Bentaleb is so far ahead of him now, Carroll is 22 and really should be ready to push onto the first team but he's simply not at that level yet. It's a shame because with the correct coaching and the correct career path I feel he could have become a player for us but there's no point keeping him in the squad if he's not going to play.
 

Lufti

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Jan 3, 2013
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Edit: Another loan to a Championship club could destroy him, he needs to build up his confidence and soak in quality coaching while he's still a sponge. I was gutted when he "apparently" turned down Ajax for QPR. If he goes on loan again, he needs to go either abroad or to a team with the ethos of a passing game, the only teams in England with this style are us, Liverpool and Arsenal (I would mention Swansea but their football has suffered since Monk took over).

I think it would have been suicidal to try and adapt to a completely different culture for the sake of a loan move to be honest. QPR clearly wasn't a good move but to go to Ajax for just a year would have been a proper step into the deep end imo
 

GetSpurredOn

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There was an auricle about how Pochettino's tactics would work at Spurs (if he gets the job), and the gist was, there are two deeper midfielders and a more advanced one, as a midfield trio. The most advanced is the man responsible not so much for providing killer balls, but more transitioning turnover ball to the attacking bank of three. At Southampton, Davis is the advanced CM, a role I could see Holtby or indeed Carroll performing. They have the work rate, technique and willingness to get on the ball and move it, assist the assist so to speak. With two from Sandro, Capoue, Paulinho @ Dembele able to provide the power, Carroll would be less exposed in terms of physicality.
Eriksen, in the 'Lallana' role would be the man responsible got creating the assists, Lamela in the 'Rodriguez' role taking some share of that work too.
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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Tom Carroll returns presumably, back into the first team fold for next season.

Two seasons ago I remember there being quite the discussion on here regarding Carroll and his potential.

Many believed he would go on to be a top star for us, several even entertaining the idea of him becoming the next 'Modric'.

I was firmly in the camp that he could potentially become a star for us, I really liked what he seemed to bring to the team (he was also home-grown, young etc.)

This season, Carroll has had a very indifferent season with QPR. I understand he is the supposed 'assister of the assister' or 'metronome' but in 26 games, he has managed 0 goals and 2 assists for QPR.

The only positive statistic I recall reading was that QPR supposedly have a slightly better win % with Carroll in the team than when he isn't, hard to use that as supporting evidence of his ability when it's a somewhat indirect statistic (also we don't know the quality of teams played or how the games panned out - he could have been a passenger all game yet QPR still won).

A quick look on QPR forums throughout various points in the season wasn't great. Early enthusiasm Carroll's desire to get on the ball quickly disappeared. Instead, fans often bemoaned his short, ineffectual passing, commenting that he was often careless with the ball when trying something more adventurous. He apparently went missing for large parts of games and complete lack of physicality, 'little boy' was often the description. Many QPR fans by the end wanted a Henry - Barton midfield two, that alone says all you need to know about how Carroll's loan spell went.

Hardly great reading so far.

On the flip-side, you could argue that the QPR loan was a poor one. A team full of mercenaries and past it players, littered with a few semi-decent footballers. They also weren't deploying tactics that would play to Carrolls strengths. So perhaps to judge Carroll on how his loan spell went there is a tad unfair? One positive note is Carroll now has more experience with roughly 3/4 of a full season of competitive football under his belt.

So, it brings us to next season - In my opinion, we still have a huge gap in our XI for a playmaker, I just don't feel Carroll is the chosen one. On the cusp of 22, with little to no top flight experience - I feel we need to look further afield for a proper playmaker. Perhaps keep him in around the squad, cameos in the league and starts in the cups. I have no doubt he will look a better player alongside the quality in our ranks compared to those of QPR.

I still feel though that it's the romantic in me that wants to keep him on and hope he succeeds. If I was brutally honest, I'd be very surprised if he even made it as a fairly regularly used squad player for us, let alone anything more.
I have seen both Bentaleb and Carroll play alot last season for me Carroll was miles ahead the thing is people are considering him a failure in the championship but QPR didnt suit him at all

Also look at QPR other than Zamora not one player has been good this season! The club is a disease!

I think he is ready for the Prem if he gets the right loan move. People have seen the best of him in a spurs shirt because AVB isn't great with youth(understatement)

The thing is all our proposed loan moves have been shocking this year.
 

walworthyid

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He has the talent and is a more progressive passer than Bentaleb. For tom it is all about systems, in a system that allows him to get on the ball and provides options and his vision and technical ability will shine through. In a system that forces him to spend too much time tackling and doesn't provide options and you are taking his assets away.

Will he make it with us? Nope because we have too many cms already and it is more likely that he will go out on loan again and if it's successful he will be sold.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Can't judge him in a four four facking two in the Championship, on poorer pitches in a far more aggressive division. Every time he's played for us he's been excellent. In a midfield 3 he'll be more than good enough for us.

Both Bentaleb and Carroll should be a big part of our future.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Talented but the loan to QPR was not as successful as everyone hoped. I think he will have a decent career but he will need to stick in the championship for a while. Not sure that he will make it for us.
Championship is exactly what he doesn't need.
 

Gedson100

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Feb 13, 2012
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I've never seen why anyone has got excited by Carroll.
I think the Joe Allen comparision is apt; he's fine at doing the simple things he does but doesn't have anything else to his game, which when you're trying to be a squad man in a top 7 team, isn't gonna be enough. I see far more in Bentaleb's game & he's significantly younger.
 

mw828

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Aug 20, 2010
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I've long been a Carroll fan and wished the best of him, but it is not going to work out. He desperately needed to have a very good season the championship this year to show that he is on track to being a good PL footballer. He was a squad player in the second tier, he may yet make it in the PL, but I doubt it will be with us. I hope I'm wrong though, would love to see him become a great CM.
 
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