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[fridgemagnet]

Somewhere along the way somebody convinced Ronda she had world class striking and the head movement, footwork that goes with it, which is bogus and the blame for that lies with her coach, with herself and with her hangers on that only tell her what she wants to hear or they fear being banished.

If she does stick around she should absolutely shit-can that arse Edmond though.

Her strength lies in her clinch and her Judo but she cannot box her way into a clinch without getting hit, she was fine against women that couldn't punch with much proficiency but because she doesn't use angles, head movement etc she's very easy to plan for once you know how to defeat that clinch and Holly and Amanda both did that as well as being far superior strikers.

Also Ronda does very little actual sparring hence she panics when she gets punched in the face, i'm all for sensible sparring as you don't get paid in the gym but if you don't come from a striking background you need to understand getting thumped in the face.

She's done a heck of a lot for WMMA and some of the nasty shite i saw flying around various media was just uncalled for and in a lot of cases clearly cyber-bullying, you don't have to like her but being a spiteful shitebag just because you're the other end of the internet shouldn't be condoned.

Threatening the wrong person on the internet when they can handily kick your arse isn't a wise move.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...acks-down-twitter-troll-shows-up-at-his-house

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/2/2...lains-video-gym-fight-moron-knockout-mma-news

https://www.joe.ie/sport/conor-mcgr...and-calls-out-angry-irish-twitter-troll/47294

This was funny to follow at the time too
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/9/7...-twitter-takes-out-2-alleged-muggers-new-york

 

[Shea]

Agree she seems mentally weak but I get that. She was built up to be such an unbeatable badass so to get completely and utterly thrashed twice is a huge embarrassment personally.

I think she just needs a new team around her, she's not exactly old and she is the best mat technician in the sport imo. And she is physically stronger than 90% of the roster... Not nunes.

She needs a new strategy to counter girls who are just gonna go for her standing up
And she never ever should've taken over a year off and step straight into a fight against a monster like nunes, that was arrogant or just poorly advised

I was discussing her fight two with my old thai boxing coach

He's an expert on training strikers in my opinion and I value his opinions way more than anything I can think of myself

He said one thing that was most obvious was Rousey's reaction to the first heavy shot that landed

He said he's seen it hundreds of times before from fighters who've suffered a heavy knock out previous

Doubts exist, in your next fight the first shot that buzzes you will bring those memories back instantly and a fighter can very easily fall in to their shell

I think she should have rebuilt with at leat one warm up fight against a grappler she could dominate and look impressive against to at least try and rebuild her confidence a little

I think her team and the ufc threw her to the wolves by jumping straight in with a strong striker who had the reach advantage

I think Tarverdyan is a terrible training and I can't believe she used him again to prepare for this fight

Nunes made a good point in the post fight when she said her he has made her think she's a top class striker when she is not and that has stopped her being realistic about her skillset and staying in her lane

She needed to get that fight to the ground - everyone knew that

She should have been ready to step away from Nunes to remain out of range and to explosively change levels and shoot quickly from distance to get a double leg take down and bring the fight to her world

There was nothing in that fight to even suggest it was the game plan

To be fair it's hard to judge the game plan because she was cracked hard almost instantly which could well have just chucked the game plan out the window with her head buzzed

But her only move/instant was to try and return fire and to grab for a clinch in range - no sign of a shot, I feel if that was the game plan she would have shot instinctively as soon as she got hurt

Her legacy is still a great one - but compared to what it would have been before the Holm fight it is in tatters, she may well get a fire in her belly at the thought of that and get a burning desire to change her legacy back to one of true greatest with a redemption story rather than ending it with two devastating losess

I can't even see her getting the desire to do it - much less being able to actually do it

She's almost 30 and set for life, I think it's time for her to walk away and start a family with Travis or something.

 

[Shea]

Somewhere along the way somebody convinced Ronda she had world class striking and the head movement, footwork that goes with it, which is bogus and the blame for that lies with her coach, with herself and with her hangers on that only tell her what she wants to hear or they fear being banished.

If she does stick around she should absolutely shit-can that arse Edmond though.

Her strength lies in her clinch and her Judo but she cannot box her way into a clinch without getting hit, she was fine against women that couldn't punch with much proficiency but because she doesn't use angles, head movement etc she's very easy to plan for once you know how to defeat that clinch and Holly and Amanda both did that as well as being far superior strikers.

Also Ronda does very little actual sparring hence she panics when she gets punched in the face, i'm all for sensible sparring as you don't get paid in the gym but if you don't come from a striking background you need to understand getting thumped in the face.

She's done a heck of a lot for WMMA and some of the nasty shite i saw flying around various media was just uncalled for and in a lot of cases clearly cyber-bullying, you don't have to like her but being a spiteful shitebag just because you're the other end of the internet shouldn't be condoned.

Threatening the wrong person on the internet when they can handily kick your arse isn't a wise move.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...acks-down-twitter-troll-shows-up-at-his-house

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/2/2...lains-video-gym-fight-moron-knockout-mma-news

https://www.joe.ie/sport/conor-mcgr...and-calls-out-angry-irish-twitter-troll/47294

This was funny to follow at the time too
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/9/7...-twitter-takes-out-2-alleged-muggers-new-york

You missed Deontay Wilder tracking down is Internet troll

 

[SugarRay]

It's easy to say she needs a better coach etc but is she listening to her current coaches? If every man and his dog can see her shortcomings then I'm pretty sure her well paid, highly experienced coaches can. It's not exactly unheard of for a headstrong, arrogant fighter to just completely ignore their coach and their supposed game plan. She seems to have fallen in love with her striking after stopping short, fat, podgy wrestlers way out of their depth. The constant praise and hype has helped create her attitude. I'd be amazed if she was a dream to train, perhaps when she was winning maybe, but she seems like a complete arsehole from what I've seen of her.

Just hope she don't mentally collapse after this latest hiding. She didn't take the last one too well which suggests a bit of fragility in the mind department. She's got enough money now, just call it a day and pursue something a little less painful perhaps.

 

[Shea]

It's easy to say she needs a better coach etc but is she listening to her current coaches? If every man and his dog can see her shortcomings then I'm pretty sure her well paid, highly experienced coaches can. It's not exactly unheard of for a headstrong, arrogant fighter to just completely ignore their coach and their supposed game plan. She seems to have fallen in love with her striking after stopping short, fat, podgy wrestlers way out of their depth. The constant praise and hype has helped create her attitude. I'd be amazed if she was a dream to train, perhaps when she was winning maybe, but she seems like a complete arsehole from what I've seen of her.

Just hope she don't mentally collapse after this latest hiding. She didn't take the last one too well which suggests a bit of fragility in the mind department. She's got enough money now, just call it a day and pursue something a little less painful perhaps.

She actually would need another coach though because hers is terrible

Check his record with other fighters too

Travis Brown has gone to shit since moving to his champ and his win ratio with other fighters is terrible

That said I don't think Rousey could successfully come back even if she went to Greg Jackson because I think her stand up is too far behind and think she is mentally broken but her coach really is bad

And I agree she does seem like an arsehole and I'm sure she's a diva in training. Although to counter that the diaz brothers have only good things to say about their time training with her

 

[Shea]

Surprised to hear from Rousey so soon

http://www.lowkickmma.com/News/rond...?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=elite+striking

“I want to say thank you to all of my fans who have been there for me in not only the greatest moments but in the most difficult ones. Words cannot convey how much your love and support means to me.

“Returning to not just fighting, but winning, was my entire focus this past year. However, sometimes — even when you prepare and give everything you have and want something so badly — it doesn’t work how you planned. I take pride in seeing how far the women’s division has come in the UFC and commend all the other women who have been part of making this possible, including Amanda.

“I need to take some time to reflect and think about the future. Thank you for believing in me and understanding.”

 

[mil1lion]

I was discussing her fight two with my old thai boxing coach

He's an expert on training strikers in my opinion and I value his opinions way more than anything I can think of myself

He said one thing that was most obvious was Rousey's reaction to the first heavy shot that landed

He said he's seen it hundreds of times before from fighters who've suffered a heavy knock out previous

Doubts exist, in your next fight the first shot that buzzes you will bring those memories back instantly and a fighter can very easily fall in to their shell

I think she should have rebuilt with at leat one warm up fight against a grappler she could dominate and look impressive against to at least try and rebuild her confidence a little

I think her team and the ufc threw her to the wolves by jumping straight in with a strong striker who had the reach advantage

I think Tarverdyan is a terrible training and I can't believe she used him again to prepare for this fight

Nunes made a good point in the post fight when she said her he has made her think she's a top class striker when she is not and that has stopped her being realistic about her skillset and staying in her lane

She needed to get that fight to the ground - everyone knew that

She should have been ready to step away from Nunes to remain out of range and to explosively change levels and shoot quickly from distance to get a double leg take down and bring the fight to her world

There was nothing in that fight to even suggest it was the game plan

To be fair it's hard to judge the game plan because she was cracked hard almost instantly which could well have just chucked the game plan out the window with her head buzzed

But her only move/instant was to try and return fire and to grab for a clinch in range - no sign of a shot, I feel if that was the game plan she would have shot instinctively as soon as she got hurt

Her legacy is still a great one - but compared to what it would have been before the Holm fight it is in tatters, she may well get a fire in her belly at the thought of that and get a burning desire to change her legacy back to one of true greatest with a redemption story rather than ending it with two devastating losess

I can't even see her getting the desire to do it - much less being able to actually do it

She's almost 30 and set for life, I think it's time for her to walk away and start a family with Travis or something.

That very first shot landed did seem to break her. You could see the panic in her face. The knock out loss to Holm was one of the most brutal knockouts I've seen. It reminded me a bit of the Hendo knockout over Bisping.

Bisping looked to suffer from that knock out for several fights after, getting rocked in a few fights. He even seemed to have it on his mind still in the rematch when he almost got knocked out again. The difference is that Bisping has a kickboxing background so he was able to fight through those moments. We hadn't seen Rousey hurt like that in her previous fights before Holm.

It's easy to say she needs a better coach etc but is she listening to her current coaches? If every man and his dog can see her shortcomings then I'm pretty sure her well paid, highly experienced coaches can. It's not exactly unheard of for a headstrong, arrogant fighter to just completely ignore their coach and their supposed game plan. She seems to have fallen in love with her striking after stopping short, fat, podgy wrestlers way out of their depth. The constant praise and hype has helped create her attitude. I'd be amazed if she was a dream to train, perhaps when she was winning maybe, but she seems like a complete arsehole from what I've seen of her.

Just hope she don't mentally collapse after this latest hiding. She didn't take the last one too well which suggests a bit of fragility in the mind department. She's got enough money now, just call it a day and pursue something a little less painful perhaps.

The thing is when she fought Holm at the end of the first round her coach was telling her how well she was doing. There was no direction or gameplan given to her when she was up against it.

She always comes across as a padwork striker. I'm struggling to think of footage they have shown of her actually sparring. The footage always seems to show her hitting pads with her coach.

 

[Shea]

 

[aliyid]

I think her biggest problem is mental in that she built her reputaion on her ground work and armbar submissions almost to the point where she was defending herself in interviews pre-fight saying how she's more than just a one trick pony. This showed out with her reaction when she knocked out Correia (although I think most of it was due to Correia's trash talking pre-fight).

I think she wanted to show that she could stand toe to toe and exchange punches with the best to backup her 'holywood' reputation as a badass. Even if she does come back an pick up a few wins by armbar submission people will still say "we know she can do that but she's got a glass chin"

 

[Shea]

I found Matt Serra and Din Thomas' comments/break down to be very insightful

Especially as Nunes worked with Thomas leading up to this fight and Serra had to implement similar game plans in his UFC career that most would agree Rousey needed in this fight

 

[teok]

Some random guy on facebook challenged mark hunt to a fight and it's happening.

https://www.facebook.com/therealmarkhunt/posts/1369299233115103:0


Remember the "darwin awards"?

 

[fridgemagnet]

Some random guy on facebook challenged mark hunt to a fight and it's happening.

https://www.facebook.com/therealmarkhunt/posts/1369299233115103:0


Remember the "darwin awards"?

That'll end well

 

[Always Offside]

I think she got caught up in her own hype. The media circus surrounding her was making her into something almost mythical. The Holly Holm fight was a wake up call, which went unheeded by her & her team. It appears that she didn't learn anything from that loss. Personally I think she's finished. She's made a crapload of money from her short UFC career so she can't be too unhappy.

 

[Shea]

Real talk

 

[mil1lion]

So Brad Pickett will retire at UFC in London. No real surprise there, he was going to retire about a year ago. I've always enjoyed watching him fight though. He's one of those guys who was never really going to be champion in UFC because of his risky style. I love the fact that he always brings the fight and is one of the toughest guys in the sport. I hope he wins with a big KO.

The return of BJ Penn should be interesting this weekend. On his day he is a special fighter but he has been away for a while and his return has been very stop start. He faces a dangerous Rodriquez who is always fun to watch. It will be an interesting fight that one. A win for Rodriguez would push him closer to the FW title match.

 

[Shea]

So Brad Pickett will retire at UFC in London. No real surprise there, he was going to retire about a year ago. I've always enjoyed watching him fight though. He's one of those guys who was never really going to be champion in UFC because of his risky style. I love the fact that he always brings the fight and is one of the toughest guys in the sport. I hope he wins with a big KO.

The return of BJ Penn should be interesting this weekend. On his day he is a special fighter but he has been away for a while and his return has been very stop start. He faces a dangerous Rodriquez who is always fun to watch. It will be an interesting fight that one. A win for Rodriguez would push him closer to the FW title match.

The fight card for London is a joke so far

They need to add something to give it some drawing power surely?

I hope they don't just think they can sell out in UK on the back of their brand name regardless of what they put on the card

The announced fights thus far do nothing for me

 

[mil1lion]

The fight card for London is a joke so far

They need to add something to give it some drawing power surely?

I hope they don't just think they can sell out in UK on the back of their brand name regardless of what they put on the card

The announced fights thus far do nothing for me

I know, it needs 2 strong main events really. Most of the fights seem like your typical prelim fights.

 

[Shea]

I know, it needs 2 strong main events really. Most of the fights seem like your typical prelim fights.

I think we're going to suffer from them stacking a lot of big PPV events recently, the big names have pretty much all fought or are about to fight

This UK card is just a free to air fight night event so most potential big fighters that could be available could well price themselves out anyway

Do they actually think Brad Pickett is a big enough draw to the casual fan?

Are they just banking on the fact that UFC as a brand is getting bigger and bigger over here and they can sell it out by virtue of British fans just wanting to attend as we have so few live UFC events here? (they're probably right)

They gotta at least put a headline fight on, don't they? For the posters and adverts if nothing else

The headline can't be the final chapter in one punch Pickett's career (the average causal fan probably doesn't even know who he is) and FOX sports is still going to expect certain viewing figures I'd have thought

Unless they just think they can show it on UK times so the US market would be low anyway and it isn't worth wasting any big ish names on

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Mark Hunt has announced he is suing UFC, Dana White and Brock Lesnar...

 

[Shea]

Mark Hunt has announced he is suing UFC, Dana White and Brock Lesnar...

Wasn't that a while ago?

He more recently said that if Overeem fails a drug test for their upcoming fight he will sue him personally