The realism of a full rebuild

[shelfboy68]

I assume to mount a challenge is in reference to the top four, as anything else would be stretching it a bit or considered entitled.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Recruitment needs to be better in general, in terms of personnel.

As Conte hinted at, a lot of our signings haven’t worked out at all & we need to improve massively on this.

 

[delawarespur]

Major incomings at RWB, LCB, CM, and an attacker is what should be done. Don’t think that’s too much to ask for, especially if we can sell some players in addition to Ndombele and Lo Celso.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Fantastic OP!

It amazes me that even when a top ITK explains the plan which has been consistent from the start of the Jan window, people still doubt it.

I slightly understand the pessimism due to previous windows, but please listen to the key points regarding incomings and how it will be done moving forward. We have one of the best managers in the world. He certainly has an eye for a player and knows exactly what you need to play in the PL.

There are some out of contract/players with several months left as of the summer who we are activity interested in. All of these players would significantly improve us.

Even though CL is a huge bonus in attracting certain players, these incomings would be well aware that we were building over the summer to mount a challenge next season. If I was a player and I knew Spurs wanted me, with Conte as manager, world class facilities and I saw how the team was coming together, I wouldn't hesitate in sacrificing one season of CL football.

Just wait and see until after the summer window. I'm sick of saying it and I'm sure the others are also. This summer will be different! Have a little faith ?.

I just hope all our business is done far in advance of pre season to give us a proper chance. Its imperative new players have as much time to learn the tactics and settle as possible. Ideally it would be great if we could wrap up some of those free transfers now but I know most of the players will want to see all the offers.

 

[Japhet]

I just hope all our business is done far in advance of pre season to give us a proper chance. Its imperative new players have as much time to learn the tactics and settle as possible. Ideally it would be great if we could wrap up some of those free transfers now but I know most of the players will want to see all the offers.

We could be negotiating or even tying up pre contracts for free agents right now.

 

[beats1]

Problem I have, is that we haven't restarted a rebuild

We may feel a rebuild is needed and etc. but we are essentially the same team we have been for years

Look at the first 11 in yesterdays team and the first 11 were mainly signed under Poch

Doing a rebuild, is accepting a downturn in results whilst you develop the new players, we aren't doing that as far I can see. It appears we have written off the newer players and waiting for new players to replace whilst we try to compete

 

[smokeydyid]

Problem I have, is that we haven't restarted a rebuild

We may feel a rebuild is needed and etc. but currently we are essentially the same team we have been for years

Look at the first 11 in yesterdays team and the first 11 were mainly signed under Poch

Doing a rebuild, is accepting a downturn in results whilst you develop the new players, we aren't doing that as far I can see. It appears we have written off the newer players and waiting for new players to replace whilst we try to compete

Of course we've started a rebuild. Since the summer 13 or so players have been sold/loaned. Yes alot of the first 11 are pretty much the same but we needed to get rid of the deadwood first so we can afford the quality players that will improve our current starting 11

 

[JCRD]

Ill reiterate what I wrote in the transfer threads - the issue hasnt been about spending money as we do spend, its about 1) the recruitment structure and 2) improving the investments we make by increasing player value

We are awful at 1) and 2) spent so much on shit that number 1 has affected number 2.

I miss having an identity and I miss have an affinity with the squad. I have no confidence that we have any kidn of strategy for the players we are bringing in. We are a squad cobbled together and even the last two windows has felt like a continuation of the previous three or four.

I look at Liverscum and can see the succession planning going on in key areas and positions... players with similiar skill set and similiar qualities. We? bring in someone like Emerson - i mean what the fuck...

 

[SpursSince1980]

I feel it’s slightly patronising saying that people don’t understand the game etc. We couldn’t beat Southampton at home so can understand people’s anger. We also should never have been in a position to need a complete rebuild. We reached the CL final, we had our new stadium, we had our state of the art training facility that should attract the best youth players from all over the world. We had the world at our feet and we completely fell off a cliff. Mainly from buying no one for 3 windows.

Asking for patience and putting our faith in to the next window, starts wearing a bit thin when you keep hearing it every season. There needs to be an almighty shift in the way we run for us to start competing again. I’m starting to think it’s never going to happen. If we miss out on the top 4 I wouldn’t be that surprised but I would rather it happen because 4 teams are much better than us and not because we can’t win a game in hand at home against bloody Southampton! Rant over.

Well, we are all absolutely entitled to have our own view/evaluation of the current Spurs lineup. But for me, I don't really see a team that's decisively better than West Ham, Arsenal, UTD or even Villa for that matter. Let alone on par with Liverpool, Chelsea and City.

Yesterday, we faced a Soton team that has been with the same coach since June 2018. That's 3.5 seasons. They are well drilled and have a team of players who go hard every game. They're good. And occasionally they have games when they are excellent. That was the case yesterday. And we had a pretty poor game. We didn't come close to matching their aggression and Conte was tactically outmaneuvered on the day. It happens. Even to the best.

This is the most unbalanced, underperforming, underwhelming Spurs team/squad I have seen, since the end of the AVB era. And arguably, I don't think we've seen anything this poor since before Rednapp. Certainly is the weakest midfield in over 10 years. Weakest set of full backs in 10 years too. Plus, we have 1.5 top CBs. (Dier is good, could become great, but the jury is still out).

But like I said, I think we all see our team very differently at times. Doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong. I respect your view and agree with the frustration. But I also feel like we are just shit. And need new blood.

 

[makeveli]

We don’t have the money full stop, let’s stop making and blaming, u have money I get top players , Newcastle will show u guys the way , let’s enjoy too 8 for now

 

[makeveli]

U can only give wtf ratings when u have Rossete tinted glasses on

 

[Trent Crimm]

There were 2 occasions last night that summed up how bad some fans are. First one was when Reggie was substituted and as he applauded fans in the South Stand while he walked off the pitch, there was one fan shouting abuse at him and saying he should have blocked the crosses for their goals.

The second was a guy behind me wanting Emerson to break both his legs so he never has to watch him play for Spurs again.

The sad thing is that you get these fans all round the ground and they tend to be the ones you hear loudest.

Same applies for the match day thread on here too.

For as long as I can remember we have always had a fair amount of moaning fans. Thru shit or shine. I used to sit with some blokes up on the west stand. All they did was moan. Used to wonder why they bothered. It’s the same everywhere.

 

[JacoZA]

Funny you say that considering 97% of this place thinks the exact same things. It’s v echo chambery in here but people read 2 or 3 negative/critical posts and start crying.

There is a massive difference between being critical and willfully ignoring what Conte says in just about every press conference.

 

[chrisd2k]

Fantastic OP!

It amazes me that even when a top ITK explains the plan which has been consistent from the start of the Jan window, people still doubt it.

I slightly understand the pessimism due to previous windows, but please listen to the key points regarding incomings and how it will be done moving forward. We have one of the best managers in the world. He certainly has an eye for a player and knows exactly what you need to play in the PL.

There are some out of contract/players with several months left as of the summer who we are activity interested in. All of these players would significantly improve us.

Even though CL is a huge bonus in attracting certain players, these incomings would be well aware that we were building over the summer to mount a challenge next season. If I was a player and I knew Spurs wanted me, with Conte as manager, world class facilities and I saw how the team was coming together, I wouldn't hesitate in sacrificing one season of CL football.

Just wait and see until after the summer window. I'm sick of saying it and I'm sure the others are also. This summer will be different! Have a little faith ?.

Come on mate. ITK can be wrong even if it was right at some point so of course people can doubt it.

I believe we will be spending big and logically I think the ITK on this is accurate as we know Conte doesn't sign for us without some guarantee's.

Don't misunderstand me here, I love the ITK, it was a big part of me joining here, and this isn't bashing info passed on in good faith but the fact is things change, just like the news that whatever the investment being made in the club to help with the Jan window didn't happen in time.

We aren't privy to info, so we don't know. If you believe in something with blind faith then more often than not in life you'll be let down so some pessimism is healthy

 

[eViL]

I honestly didn't realise there were so many on here that just don't actually understand the game, and the reality of how things really work in team sports.

The only surprising thing about your post was that you've only just swallowed the SC red pill.

There's some proper FM/FIFA legends that watch too many highlight reels hanging around here these days.

I'm pretty sure you and Herc are the only reason some of us old skoolers keep coming back.

 

[mattspur1]

When people talk about a painful rebuild, shouldn't it be painless? Getting out those you don't want and bringing in those you do want sounds positive to me.

 

[dontcallme]

When people talk about a painful rebuild, shouldn't it be painless? Getting out those you don't want and bringing in those you do want sounds positive to me.

Fun on computer games but in reality it can be painful.

Trying to sell unwanted players who are on high salaries can take ages. Not every player you buy will come good straight away and fans get frustrated at the time it is taking to improve performances. There are no ends to rebuilding issues in reality.

 

[Hakkz]

When people talk about a painful rebuild, shouldn't it be painless? Getting out those you don't want and bringing in those you do want sounds positive to me.

The pain also comes from having to lose previous key figures (Eriksen, Alli) to win long term. That's the idea.

 

[Typical Spurs]

Fantastic OP!

It amazes me that even when a top ITK explains the plan which has been consistent from the start of the Jan window, people still doubt it.

I slightly understand the pessimism due to previous windows, but please listen to the key points regarding incomings and how it will be done moving forward. We have one of the best managers in the world. He certainly has an eye for a player and knows exactly what you need to play in the PL.

There are some out of contract/players with several months left as of the summer who we are activity interested in. All of these players would significantly improve us.

Even though CL is a huge bonus in attracting certain players, these incomings would be well aware that we were building over the summer to mount a challenge next season. If I was a player and I knew Spurs wanted me, with Conte as manager, world class facilities and I saw how the team was coming together, I wouldn't hesitate in sacrificing one season of CL football.

Just wait and see until after the summer window. I'm sick of saying it and I'm sure the others are also. This summer will be different! Have a little faith ?.

You're right. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what summer brings because it appears summer is when we're fixing things.

Personally, I think its completely valid for any of us to question whether the big summer will happen how we imagine. This is spurs.

Not getting top 4 this season would be terrible in terms of our rebuild. Players want champions league football. The fact we have a lovely stadium and training facilities is not going to make a player come to us over City, Liverpool or Chelsea. If any of those are in for the same players as us, then that player isn't coming to us if we're not in the champions league.

Let's just see. I'm amazed we got Conte which is the only thing making me feel positive. No way he'd have come if we'd not promised to fully back him. Let's hope we do. Properly.

 

[Spurslove]

Major incomings at RWB, LCB, CM, and an attacker is what should be done. Don’t think that’s too much to ask for, especially if we can sell some players in addition to Ndombele and Lo Celso.

I think the problem we're going to be faced with in 6 months is finding another club who are willing to pay Ndombele's asking price (whatever that may be, but it won't be cheap) PLUS his ridiculous £200,000 per week wages, which I'm sure he'll be demanding. I'm afraid he's like a fart in a lift.

I have my doubts as to whether Lyon can afford to take him back on a permanent basis.

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