The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[fishhhandaricecake]

When the motivator can no longer motivate, what else has he got in his locker?

Shame it’s come to this as he and his coaching staff have put in a ton of effort to our club through some testing off the field times but ultimately he couldn’t get us over the line in big games and moments and I think with that squad we had he should have won something and that’s on them. Time to move on now.

 

[JCRD]

Spot on my man. I’m not saying Mourinho is my top choice but he would love to work with the experienced players we have at the club.

He’s get the best out of them again. He would make us tactically smart and he would likely win us trophies.

Kane et al as much as they say they love Poch, would quickly forget him when they are lifting trophies under a new manager.

This is a guy who spent a shit load more than we could ever spend and we want him?. Yeah he wins trophies but at the expense of 250m.

 

[soflapaul]

I came to Spurs reading a book, "The Glory Game" and for years, sitting on this side of the pond, it was all snippets but what little that was there, it was devoured. I grew to believe that Spurs were special and Spurs fans were somehow different. We held ourselves to a higher standard not only on the pitch but how we acted. We had to win but we would only insist on winning beautifully because even in our failures, there was an echo of glory. If a player wore the badge and gave his all, he should always be cheered or encouraged because he was one of ours. He was one of us. Even when he went to another club because he couldn't hack it here. If he embarrassed the club not through poor play but through sportsmanship or disrespect, he should be shunned.

That loyalty extended to the other Spurs fans. The argument Poch In or Poch Out isn't as clear cut as many of the posts seem to think. there are consequences to either direction and there is risk of it turning out far different than many think.

So when i read this thread and see some of the garbage going back and forth and the absolute conviction being expressed, i have to wonder if Spurs fans really are so different. There are some extraordinarily bright people who post on this website many of whom disagree with me. In many cases, by their powers of persuasion, they have caused me to change my position. I'm in the PochIn camp at the moment but appreciate the well reasoned PochOut as carefully as much as the PochIn ones.

I apologize in advance for this whinging but SC is sounding more and more like AFTV and having cringed at how bad their fans were, it pains me to see what this has become. I guess in the end, there probably should be a thread on "What's it Mean to be a Spurs fan" but i guess all i'm hoping is that as a fanbase, we stay true to our roots. We're clearly not playing to our roots, but perhaps its time for the fan base to pull the club forward. Perhaps this link would be helpful. it's quote by Billy N and quotes about him. This is what we need to stay true to in my humble opinion whether that means PochIn or PochOut.

Quotes

www.zen156211.zen.co.uk

 

[mrlilywhite]

Poch can’t take credit for CL final run but can take the flak for players giving up last night? Sounds like a sweet ride for some of our underperformers..

There are many cogs that work together to make a clock tick right? But if that clock works twice a day then it's right twice a day. Poch, the team and the club got lucky with the CL final - it's not a myth, but fact. If we were in that position again against City and Ajax again then 20 times we wouldn't go through. Individual moments of brilliance like Moura's against Ajax is what it is - individual brilliance. That has nothing to do with Poch and if memory serves me right, we were downright pissed at the first leg and many citing Poch for the result.

Football is about the collective when you win or lose, but when those cogs start to break the watchmaker is responsible for making it work again and Poch can't make those cogs work anymore. If players give up and don't respond to what is being asked of them, then that doesn't mean they need to be replaced, as who is to say that the next ones in will respond as well? Poch's attempt to making something else work is miserable and if trends start to appear, then you have to break them. Some might say the players should get all the flak, some might say Levy for not being more proactive with spending and selling and that might be true, but Poch as always will be the fall guy when it stops working on the pitch. Life ain't fair sometimes, but frankly, I care about the club not if it's fair that Poch takes the blame or not.

 

[Shadydan]

Question is how levy handles this given the credit in the bank poch has build up but also given the fact that it’s blindingly obvious what needs to be done.

This is the first real time after a build up of bad decisions results effort from the team and players, tactics etc that I actually want us to lose so he gets sacked and when we as fans get to this point it’s usually the end of the road for the manager.

Fucking hell that's awful.

What happened to wanting us to win in order to steady the ship and get back on track?

Genuinely shocking comment

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I came to Spurs reading a book, "The Glory Game" and for years, sitting on this side of the pond, it was all snippets but what little that was there, it was devoured. I grew to believe that Spurs were special and Spurs fans were somehow different. We held ourselves to a higher standard not only on the pitch but how we acted. We had to win but we would only insist on winning beautifully because even in our failures, there was an echo of glory. If a player wore the badge and gave his all, he should always be cheered or encouraged because he was one of ours. He was one of us. Even when he went to another club because he couldn't hack it here. If he embarrassed the club not through poor play but through sportsmanship or disrespect, he should be shunned.

That loyalty extended to the other Spurs fans. The argument Poch In or Poch Out isn't as clear cut as many of the posts seem to think. there are consequences to either direction and there is risk of it turning out far different than many think.

So when i read this thread and see some of the garbage going back and forth and the absolute conviction being expressed, i have to wonder if Spurs fans really are so different. There are some extraordinarily bright people who post on this website many of whom disagree with me. In many cases, by their powers of persuasion, they have caused me to change my position. I'm in the PochIn camp at the moment but appreciate the well reasoned PochOut as carefully as much as the PochIn ones.

I apologize in advance for this whinging but SC is sounding more and more like AFTV and having cringed at how bad their fans were, it pains me to see what this has become. I guess in the end, there probably should be a thread on "What's it Mean to be a Spurs fan" but i guess all i'm hoping is that as a fanbase, we stay true to our roots. We're clearly not playing to our roots, but perhaps its time for the fan base to pull the club forward. Perhaps this link would be helpful. it's quote by Billy N and quotes about him. This is what we need to stay true to in my humble opinion whether that means PochIn or PochOut.

Quotes

www.zen156211.zen.co.uk

The facts have presented themselves mate, we’ve won nothing under poch in 5.5 years and are going backwards in many ways. He’s a motivator but not a top level all round manager and we need to move on.

I’m actually pretty impressed with how well our fans have articulated themselves on the reasons why poch should go, none of it is knee jerk, this has been building for over a year now. The 2-7 was just the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Fucking hell that's awful.

What happened to wanting us to win in order to steady the ship and get back on track?

Genuinely shocking comment

Well obviously I don’t actually ever want us to lose, that’s not quite what I meant but it’s plain to see that this is all a complete mess now and is only going to get worse, I really honestly think given the. ITK we’ve had of players being unhappy with the tactics, poch being moody, his negative press conferences, our awful form over the last year oh and the worst ever home defeat in our entries history last night, that things are not going to improve. A win here or there will in my opinion not make things better, this runs far far deeper and we need to make a change soon in order to keep the likes of Kane etc and actually have a realistic chance of winning something soon.

If we carry on as we are we will be in a bigger and deeper mess than we are which would be a far bigger issue than just another loss.

 

[joelstinton14]

I think one area where Poch May have been proven right is recognising when players are getting past it or not able to constantly play to 100% that he demands. People were mad at him for dropping and selling dembele, wanting to get rid of rose, playing Sanchez over Jan etc They play some good games but it i think after yesterday and recent results that they are almost finished. Perhaps that’s too strong a word but you can see why Poch as been open to moving those players on. I’d like to see him build a side again and put faith in players like Sanchez - who have undeniable talent - even when they have shaky games. It’s whether Poch as the motivation to do that and whether he can motivate those players that want in.

I think Poch needs to be clearer in his convictions and stick to them, but also means as a fan base we support that and pull in the same direction

 

[WhiteStripe]

let ndombele stay on

He was blowing after 30 minutes, his drop in intensity and tiredness was a big part of why Bayern started to dominate. He was exceptional for 30 minutes but should have come off sooner than he did, not later.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Well obviously I don’t actually ever want us to lose, that’s not quite what I meant but it’s plain to see that this is all a complete mess now and is only going to get worse, I really honestly think given the. ITK we’ve had of players being unhappy with the tactics, poch being moody, his negative press conferences, our awful form over the last year oh and the worst ever home defeat in our entries history last night, that things are going to improve. A win here or there will in my opinion not make things better, this runs far far deeper and we need to make a change soon in order to keep the likes of Kane etc and actually have a realistic chance of winning something soon.

If we carry on as we are we will be in a bigger and deeper mess than we are which would be a far bigger issue than just another loss.

Just watch his press conferences over the last year, they’re negative, confusing, non committal, spiky. Do you think this is the behaviour of a manager who has the belief from his player and who actually still wants to be here? Why keep mentioning it’s his dream to manage Real Madrid and Argentina etc etc, stop flirting with other jobs. If he keeps doing well at spurs he’d get those offers on a plate as it sure he already has. For me this is not the guy to keep leading us forwards, last night was an absolute disgrace, I feel very sorry for poch and his staff for all the efforts they’ve put in but their time is up now.

 

[soflapaul]

The facts have presented themselves mate, we’ve won nothing under poch in 5.5 years and are going backwards in many ways. He’s a motivator but not a top level all round manager and we need to move on.

I’m actually pretty impressed with how well our fans have articulated themselves on the reasons why poch should go, none of it is knee jerk, this has been building for over a year now. The 2-7 was just the straw that broke the camels back.

Never used the term kneejerk. Although many are well articulated and reasonable and may be exactly correct, there are quite a few opinions being expressed that don't seem to stay true by how they are being written to who i thought our club was. That's on both sides of the argument and perhaps it is a consequence of a larger following. But then again, i could very well be wrong on that. I know what i don't know and whether the club is better with Poch or without, mine is just an opinion. I just hope we stay true to our roots and you could very well make the argument, we aren't playing true to our roots (lack of beauty, effort, etc) and hence, Poch has to go. Thanks for the opinion and it is appreciated.

 

[RickyVilla]

Well obviously I don’t actually ever want us to lose, that’s not quite what I meant but it’s plain to see that this is all a complete mess now and is only going to get worse, I really honestly think given the. ITK we’ve had of players being unhappy with the tactics, poch being moody, his negative press conferences, our awful form over the last year oh and the worst ever home defeat in our entries history last night, that things are going to improve. A win here or there will in my opinion not make things better, this runs far far deeper and we need to make a change soon in order to keep the likes of Kane etc and actually have a realistic chance of winning something soon.

If we carry on as we are we will be in a bigger and deeper mess than we are which would be a far bigger issue than just another loss.

There were people who wanted us to lose matches, so we could get rid of Tactics Tim. I remember that vividly and could only imagine how it got that bad that our fans wanted us to lose to get rid of a manager. Dreadful behaviour in my opinion.

 

[MaestroOfSwe]

If he goes, who would step in?

I cant see many managers that would actually take us even further. Mourinho? No. Allegri maybe. So hard to think of a manager that fits us

 

[Mr Pink]

Ive watched the same manager you have and the same players and team for the same length of time you have and you are selling Poch very short. No one can hide their inadequacies for 5+ years, 1-2 years tops. Took us to champions league qualification consecutively, second place in league, and champions league final, while moving stadiums and having budgetary restrictions while competing in a far more competitive league than it was before he arrived, and god knows how many injuries. If the magic is over its over but don't tell me Poch was never good.

Exactly this. The lack of respect being shown, by some, is fucking embarrassing.

Poch's time might well be up but to piss all over what he's created at the Club is just classless, and plain wrong.

I guess the more dramatic they are the more chance he goes is there way of thinking.

 

[DJS]

@RickyVilla for spurs manager.

He’ll get the faaaaaacking raaaaaaaaning abaaaaaaaaaaat!

 

[Shadydan]

Well obviously I don’t actually ever want us to lose, that’s not quite what I meant but it’s plain to see that this is all a complete mess now and is only going to get worse, I really honestly think given the. ITK we’ve had of players being unhappy with the tactics, poch being moody, his negative press conferences, our awful form over the last year oh and the worst ever home defeat in our entries history last night, that things are not going to improve. A win here or there will in my opinion not make things better, this runs far far deeper and we need to make a change soon in order to keep the likes of Kane etc and actually have a realistic chance of winning something soon.

If we carry on as we are we will be in a bigger and deeper mess than we are which would be a far bigger issue than just another loss.

That's literally what you said.

I personally want us to win and for him to sort this mess out, I'd never wish us to lose matches that's just a shit mentality...but that's just me though.

 

[NickHSpurs]

I'm just putting this here so I can copy and paste it on Saturday morning...

Why the fuck is he playing Sanchez RB again.

 

[mattyspurs]

Fucking hell that's awful.

What happened to wanting us to win in order to steady the ship and get back on track?

Genuinely shocking comment

Talksport comment that one. He'll be on with the ginger wanker Durham later

 

[nailsy]

This is a guy who spent a shit load more than we could ever spend and we want him?. Yeah he wins trophies but at the expense of 250m.

If you give a manager a blank cheque, he's going to keep spending. He would come here with a different expectation of our spending capabilities.

 

[poc]

He was blowing after 30 minutes, his drop in intensity and tiredness was a big part of why Bayern started to dominate. He was exceptional for 30 minutes but should have come off sooner than he did, not later.

He hasn't looked fit at all (relatively) ?