The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[DotNetCoder]

My personal take on all this is Levy and Lewis have a plan that they wont budge from. Poch knows this and is offering an ultimatum for them to re-appraise the situation as it's quiet clear he's the next big thing in Football Management. I'm not sure DL's plans accomodate this, so Poch is saying "look what I've done, are you ready to up the ante?".

Going by previous events: DL is known for not changing his plans suddenly and Poch has shown at So'ton that if he gives ample warning he will leave if the owners dont give him what he asks for providing he makes his part of the deal (game results, etc).

I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst this summer or maybe next.

 

[SpartanSpur]

They're not going to go all "sugar-daddy" on us (and that's not what FSG have done at Liverpool either), but I'm confident they will continue to use club money for the benefit of the club (i.e. the massive increase in the amount of money the club generates will be recycled into the club in the form of more competitive salaries and transfers). Before the rainbows start appearing, this is not optimistic - it's literally the MO that various posters have referred to in the negative.

I think this is a key point. We CAN compete on a much more even playing field with pretty much everyone aside from the two manchester clubs, the big two in Spain, PSG and maybe Juventus/Bayern. Our revenue following the opening of the new stadium should put us in that bracket.

I can't ever see ENIC putting money in for transfers, but that's not necessary, and I doubt it's what Poch is asking for.

Liverpool are the model. They are one of the best teams in Europe now and they don't pay insane wages like the Manchester clubs and Real/Barca. Everything is internally generated.

It's totally understandable that people are sceptical about us being competitive in the transfer market after the horror show last year but I genuinely think we will be. Personally 2017/18 felt like a step up in our business to me. Sanchez was a big signing and a club record, Aurier and Moura from PSG (these players usually get passed between the top euro clubs). We even beat Chelsea to Llorente. I'm pretty hopeful we'll do some big business this summer. We certainly have the profile to do so after this CL run!

 

[gaffers]

You'd be surprised with DL from where the financing will come!!!!!!!

Leopards, spots and no exclamation points

 

[gaffers]

Getting to the CL final earned us a truck load that couldn't have been ear marked for the stadium.

Ah, bless.

 

[SpartanSpur]

The last 10 or so pages of this thread basically serve as an optimist/pessimist filter. A pretty level headed press conference leading to polarising opinion. Intelligent and measured posts from both sides.

I wonder if all the posters worrying that he's off or ENIC will not match his ambition are also worried about blowing top 4 tomorrow. I anticipate a strong correlation there.

I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to Spurs (although this CL run has eased it a bit!) but I'm not taking this presser as a negative at all.

I just believe Poch and Levy both want what's best for the club, and we now have the resources to take the next step...

 

[ajspurs]

The last 10 or so pages of this thread basically serve as an optimist/pessimist filter. A pretty level headed press conference leading to polarising opinion. Intelligent and measured posts from both sides.

I wonder if all the posters worrying that he's off or ENIC will not match his ambition are also worried about blowing top 4 tomorrow. I anticipate a strong correlation there.

I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to Spurs (although this CL run has eased it a bit!) but I'm not taking this presser as a negative at all.

I just believe Poch and Levy both want what's best for the club, and we now have the resources to take the next step...

I'd like to think so too. It's strange because if Poch were to leave (even though I really don't think he will) it will of course be bad that we would lose a fantastic manager, but it would equally disappointing if not more so that it would be because we won't match the ambition shown by him, to try and get to the elite level that we all want the club to be at. Hopefully this just all ends well and we really try to propel ourselves forward during this window.

 

[LDNYid]

The worrying thing would be if he does leave, that would be a clear indication that Levy is happy being the also rans.

Without the best manager to work with restrictions, that's us basically admitting this is as good as its going to get. I think Poch is forcing Levys hand here. Without backing him this summer, Poch leaves and there is an absolute mutiny within the fanbase.

Agreed. If Poch leaves, we know it’s because the board and owners are not willing to match his ambition; Poch is not expecting us to act like Man City - he’s not blind to the fact that they are an anomaly and that their methodology is unsustainable - he just wants us to match his ambition by acting like a big club, which to me means not haggling over a few million, increasing our wage ceiling to a competitive point, and to go all in for the players he targets (if they choose a City or a Barca over us, so be it, but be it not because we offered them uncompetitive wages or refused to meet the agent’s fee...). It’s clear we’re at a crossroads: do the owners want us to truly sit at football’s top table, or are they happy with the status quo?

If Poch goes, the owners must realise it could well be an act of war against the fan base.

 

[Giovanni]

Go get wan bissaka, n'dombele, de jong and 1 forward player and were set to go again for the next 5 years!

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Everyone is overreacting.

Obviously Poch is using his additional leverage to get rid of GNK

 

[coyspurs18]

Go get wan bissaka, n'dombele, de jong and 1 forward player and were set to go again for the next 5 years!

I doubt Barcelona are willing to sell.

 

[JCRD]

Agreed. If Poch leaves, we know it’s because the board and owners are not willing to match his ambition; Poch is not expecting us to act like Man City - he’s not blind to the fact that they are an anomaly and that their methodology is unsustainable - he just wants us to match his ambition by acting like a big club, which to me means not haggling over a few million, increasing our wage ceiling to a competitive point, and to go all in for the players he targets (if they choose a City or a Barca over us, so be it, but be it not because we offered them uncompetitive wages or refused to meet the agent’s fee...). It’s clear we’re at a crossroads: do the owners want us to truly sit at football’s top table, or are they happy with the status quo?

If Poch goes, the owners must realise it could well be an act of war against the fan base.

I have no doubt he has seen Liverscum and wants us to act like them. Just do the signings early, quickly and with with purpose.

There is a real possibility he will leave and that will bite Levy in the ass big time particularly when he is trying to secure naming rights - doesnt look good when your elite level coach fucks off because you have no ambition.

 

[Joely]

My personal take on all this is Levy and Lewis have a plan that they wont budge from. Poch knows this and is offering an ultimatum for them to re-appraise the situation as it's quiet clear he's the next big thing in Football Management. I'm not sure DL's plans accomodate this, so Poch is saying "look what I've done, are you ready to up the ante?".

Going by previous events: DL is known for not changing his plans suddenly and Poch has shown at So'ton that if he gives ample warning he will leave if the owners dont give him what he asks for providing he makes his part of the deal (game results, etc).

I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst this summer or maybe next.

Agree and unfortunately this is what I believe the case to be. ENIC and Poch have reached a certain point together but does feel as though from this point on in , things are going to become frayed. Really hope Lewis and Levy receive an acceptable bid for the club from someone who is prepared to give Poch the tools to go on and compete on a regular basis, otherwise fear it's a case of when rather than if Poch goes.

 

[Lighty64]

I said last weekend Poch is done and events this week have confirmed it, working under the constraints he has must be draining. He can go now with his head held high and his reputation soaring, within months massive job offers will arrive.

I'll be disappointed but the pressure on Levy will really intensify, we all pay top dollar to follow Spurs and if the perception is that's purely to line his own pockets there'll be trouble.

Of course it might be that the £100m from getting to the final and the £140m profit is invested in players but.......the next 3 months are pivotal in the club's history, the gun is firmly against Levy's head.

as has been mentioned the blame if Poch leaves, will be ENIC and Joe Lewis. if Levy promises him the earth but ENIC and Lewis can't be bothered to throw their weight behind it, Levy will be the one that takes the flack

 

[Dharmabum]

Go get wan bissaka, n'dombele, de jong and 1 forward player and were set to go again for the next 5 years!

I doubt Pochettino would be happy if Levy signed Luuk de Jong
Or maybe you means Frenkie de Jong....who signed for Barcelona months ago

 

[ardiles&villa]

Why can’t he say this shit after the final ?

 

[mattie g]

It’s clear what he is saying. As day. And he is fully correct. Transparency, improved plans, reality check and ambition. And if I were him, which I would never be, I’d completely quit the club after a CL final. It will never get better than this. As fans, we must enjoy the present. This is as good as t gets realistically.

Is that you, ‘Arry?

 

[Lighty64]

This is really crazy talk... line his pockets? Gun to his head?

This is the man who has single handedly dragged spurs from mediocrity to being a top club. If he wanted to line his pockets he’d have sold the club long ago he’s had plenty of offers.

why use that word. Yes Poch has worked marvels, but apart from the AVB/Sherwood season we have been qualifying for Europe in the toughest league, and even made the QF's before Poch was even thought about.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Jan, Lamela, and Eriksen where all here before Poch, and before Poch arrived we was still in the 6th richest clubs in the UK. yes Poch has turned us into CL regulars and been in a position to push the winners of the PL to near the end. had ENIC backed Redknapp in his final season, we might of been just as close.

ENIC need to back Poch to try and take us up a level, though I think it would be hard to catch Man C, not including Liverpool because if they suffered the injuries we have had, and not being knocked out in both domestic cups the 1st round with very few WC players that were involved till the final weeks. will take a few windows if the stadium debt holds us back. yes we have earnt a fortune in the CL this season, but there will be plenty of that will be paid out in bonuses and other things.

we need a solid window getting the players we can get from Poch's list, and also get rid of the deadwood, and hope for next season to suffer a lot less injuries.

 

[RichieS]

why use that word. Yes Poch has worked marvels, but apart from the AVB/Sherwood season we have been qualifying for Europe in the toughest league, and even made the QF's before Poch was even thought about.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Jan, Lamela, and Eriksen where all here before Poch, and before Poch arrived we was still in the 6th richest clubs in the UK. yes Poch has turned us into CL regulars and been in a position to push the winners of the PL to near the end. had ENIC backed Redknapp in his final season, we might of been just as close.

ENIC need to back Poch to try and take us up a level, though I think it would be hard to catch Man C, not including Liverpool because if they suffered the injuries we have had, and not being knocked out in both domestic cups the 1st round with very few WC players that were involved till the final weeks. will take a few windows if the stadium debt holds us back. yes we have earnt a fortune in the CL this season, but there will be plenty of that will be paid out in bonuses and other things.

we need a solid window getting the players we can get from Poch's list, and also get rid of the deadwood, and hope for next season to suffer a lot less injuries.

He's talking about Levy, not Poch.

 

[Lighty64]

He's talking about Levy, not Poch.

oh ok, but still the same really, yes we all know Levy is the main figure, but he isn't the outright owner. if the ENIC board don't support Levy then Levy can't support Poch

 

[punkisback]

I think we've been ahead of schedule/peaked on the field compared to where we are off it.
I think the plan was to keep us competitive and keep buying youth and bringing through our own to keep us in the chase for top 4 as an attractive club; whilst we were developing the new stadium, which would over time generate the funds to really challenge. I think we had the next 10-15 years in mind when we started building the stadium, not immediate success. The goal was to qualify for the champions league in time to move into the new stadium.

However the coming of Kane as a world class striker for free, alongside lucking out on cheapish punts on players like Toby, Jan, Walker, Son, Eriksen who have all gone to elite levels with us; elevated our expectations as a team. We were challenging for the title, despite not being able to generate the revenue. This has increased the fan pressure on Levy and Poch as our expectations are higher, we think we should be challenging for the league each season. We cannot currently pay money for players of that ilk as they cost 4 times as much now and in other cases a great deal more.

Now half of this team are in their peak, the other half are leaving/left due to injuries and contract etc; and thus the team is deteriorating in quality. We won't reap the benefits of the new stadium immediately that will enable us to compete with the Liverpools of this league. Sadly unless we win the CL I feel that without major rebuilding we won't be able to sustain a strong title challenge. Therefore I think Poch wants to know if we are going to twist and really take a risk financially or stick and keep our heads above water for the next half a decade spending money on cheap punts. We could really do something if we spend, as we probably won't have this level of talent in the squad for a while.

In addition We've neglected bringing through good youth, our youth teams haven't really generated a sustained transition of talent into the first team so it is very unlikely that we can rely on them. Therefore we need to look externally if we want to stay in CL positions.