The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[dagraham]

We simply can’t afford to let Dembele leave.

 

[Hakkz]

Maybe it's brave to sign no one?

The coward's way out is to sign a few people and look like you're trying to be ambitious. This is either brave because we don't care displaying the reality, or because this is the Kansas City shuffle. While everyone stupidly spends money, we don't to get ahead.

Who are we kidding? This is ridiculous.

He's like "Yeah, you'll see how fucking brave I am when I play 16 year olds because of injuries *eyeroll*"

 

[Hakkz]

Only 4hrs 6mins until fatwa

 

[dagraham]

Only 4hrs 6mins until fatwa

You’re going to break the internet .

 

[Spurzinho]

This is a long, long way from backing your manager. We had a very patchy squad lasts season & had to over-rely on our top players. We've invested feck all in a climate of super-speculation and important players like Dembele are a year older and a lot of our players are beginning to show wear and tear. I'm not going to lose my mind over this but any attempt by the club to polish this turd of a window as anything other than a complete and utter balls up is going to be about as easy to swallow as a cup of cold sick. Sorry Dan, you fecked up and you've done it with the most promising group of players we've ever had, the best manager we've had in donkeys years and the optimism and potential of our brand spanking new stadium. Suck up the criticism, learn from your mistakes and don't let it happen again.

 

[aussie spur]

Fuller quote:

« We need to review things. It has been fantastic all we have achieved but it will be so important to create again and create a different idea to try to move on and to be closer to win titles in the next few years.

“We cannot think we are the cleverest people in the world winning trophies spending small money. We need to think our reality is different.

I have crazy ideas. You need to be brave. In this situation you need to be brave and take risks. It is the moment the club need to take risks.

“We need to work harder than the previous season to be competitive again. Today the Premier League is a tough competition, you can see not only the big clubs but the clubs behind us West Ham, Leicester, Everton are working so hard to be close to the top six clubs. I’m sure Daniel will listen to me and we will create together.”



Shall we charitably agree that it is ambiguous and that no one can be sure what poch thinks. NOBODY ON THIS FORUM CAN BE SURE.

So let’s all stop putting words into people’s mouths and stick to the itk.

Moved here not to clog up the itk thread.

I am not having a go at you le parisien, and quoting you because I know you enjoy to discuss issues of argumentation.

I think one has to be careful of using the argumentative tool that : "no one can know/prove what such and such thinks/did" too much or too strongly.

IMO when this is done it may simply become a deflective device to raise the evidentiary bar so high that the only thing that will be acceptable is something akin to a signed statement. It then becomes simply a glib rejection of reasonable conclusions that are in fact based upon a range of evidence, without really dealing with that supporting evidence.

I note in this case that you are dealing with the quotes only, and that there is room for some debate if one deals only with that.

For what it is worth, IMO both the short and fuller quotes certainly give rise to a reasonable conclusion that poch wanted to spend money on transfers (esp, but not only, the bit about Daniel listening and creating together).

But, regardless, the quote has to be read in the broader context of events, and there are an overwhelming number of indicators that poch and the club wanted quality signings, including of course our whole transfer roller coaster (zaha, martial etc etc). So, in this case I don't see the no proof argument as being helpful.

We will never have anything more than evidence that supports reasonable conclusions, and I think we should be able to comment and critique on that basis.

 

[taricco]

The big question is whether Poch can do a job at CM if he needs to fill in this season.

 

[jurgen]

It'll be like 6 new signings when they're back. 6 new signings! Brave.

 

[TheAmerican]

Only 4hrs 6mins until fatwa

Levys already called it a day

 

[jimmy-jojo]

If Poch was given assurances that he would be backed in the transfer market then his position has become untenable.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That isn't him, it can't be. His feet are touching the floor.

 

[naumanfaizi]

"It is so difficult now, only four hours to the end. Until the game finishes you can’t say it is the end of the game but in four hours it will be difficult to sign players." -- from the pochettino press conference

 

[Hotspur1978]

 

[dricha1]

Hard to believe but Poch in great spirits in presser apparently (Dan Kilpatrick)....

 

[George94]

Bloke is classy as always.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Levys already called it a day
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Uncle Festa has let himself go.

 

[TH1239]

Pochettino deserves a lot of credit over the years for how he's handled failures in the transfer market. Two years ago, he could have refrained from signing a contract extension and pressured Levy to spend heavily in the transfer market. He again could have leveraged his continued success this summer by refusing another contract extension to pressure Levy to spend to bring in targets to challenge for the title. Both times he didn't do so and has largely abstained from heavily criticizing the club's transfer dealings in public. Given his strong standing with supporters and the favorable media coverage he tends to get (in contrast to Levy), he could have really damaged Levy's standing if he had taken a more aggressive tack at certain points like Mourinho has done recently. But that doesn't seem to be his style.

Nevertheless, you have to wonder if Levy believes he has near unlimited leeway with how he handles transfer dealings. Not signing a single player this summer reflects an attitude that Pochettino and the squad's top players won't really be agitated with a lack of signings to the point of putting their futures with the club in doubt. Given that Levy has failed in the past acquiring a number of targets, yet Poch hasn't really kicked up a major fuss yet, maybe there's a bit of complacency there on Levy's part. The example of failing to acquire Jack Grealish can be thrown on the pile with similar failings with respect to signing Schneiderlin, Barkley, Zaha, Berahino, Batshuayi, all of whom were players Pochettino seemingly wanted, but who Spurs didn't purchase seemingly due to an inability to meet transfer fees required by the selling clubs.

I just wonder whether Levy feels that Pochettino will stay no matter what, and that at a bare minimum, the squad will comfortably finish in the top 4 again with another season of Champions League football at turnover well over 400 million pounds. You see select posters on this forum arguing similarly that the prospect of the club regressing in results, even with no signings, is completely unfathomable and that internal growth is a near given (this despite the fact that we finished on fewer points and with a far worse goal differential last season than the season prior). But in recent years, we've seen clubs with better squads than Spurs do just that and go backwards. Chelsea have won the league title twice in the last 4 seasons, but have followed those seasons with lackluster ones. Arsenal have gone from finishing in Champions League places for 20 years to backsliding out of the top 4 in the last two seasons. With how strong the league is now, with how many players have been away from the club this summer, with the injuries we have currently, and with a new stadium to adjust to, there are lot of factors that already make this a tough season. Falling out of the top 4 at this crucial stage is going to have severe consequences.

If we had this much trouble adapting to the current transfer market, I shudder to think how Levy would handle a complete rebuild where we'd get enormous fees for our top players (if they left) and had to re-build the squad.

 

[THFCjosh]

Hard to believe but Poch in great spirits in presser apparently (Dan Kilpatrick)....

Probably just handed in his resignation

 

[SpartanSpur]

Levy doesn't deserve Poch. The guy is class.

 

[aussie spur]

"It is so difficult now, only four hours to the end. Until the game finishes you can’t say it is the end of the game but in four hours it will be difficult to sign players." -- from the pochettino press conference

Berry Berry difficult.