The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[archiewasking]

I honestly think he's done. Sounds like a man who's lost the plot and lost the ability to motivate the team, week on week.

 

[Lighty64]

Poch blames the players for being arrogant, but if Poch had instilled enough urgency in the players before the game, or at the very least had a firm half time talk about how they might come out a stronger side in the second half, I don't think the players would have been quite so casual or overconfident. Also Poch didn't choose his best XI at his disposal, and this might have also sent the wrong message to our players or affected their mentality on a subconscious level that this was going to be an easy win.

Yes, I know that this shouldn't have affected their performance regardless, I am not giving them an excuse, but this shows Poch was just as much part of the "mentality" issue we have, in that he was arrogant enough to leave out certain key players, starting academy/young players who haven't had substantial game time, by choosing not to be more proactive even after they made two subs at HT, etc.

And his biggest mistake yesterday was switching to the diamond and hoping that we would still turn it around when we don't exactly have a good track record.

Also I can't shake off the feeling that all these negative comments Poch has been making are hurting our team morale. Certainly, something has to change, but wouldn't it be more effective if he approached the issue less publicly?

we might have 3 weeks off, even though most of the players haven't. it's been a season due to injuries that rotation hasn't been easy, and bar 1 week off these players have not only had to play 2 games a week since September, they haven't had much of a rest since the start of the 2017/18 season. after a run of games Chelsea, Arsenal and Dortmund 3 high tense games in 6 days, players need to be rested, especially as they had all played in 2 or all 3 of the previous matches. that is the reason we never played the same XI as we did on Wednesday. if he had and we picked up injuries that meant those players got injured, the same people moaning "we never played our strongest XI", would of moaned it was Poch's fault because we were only playing Southampton, and should of been able to use "him, instead of him".

we failed to put our chances away in the 1st half, we looked like we came out in the 2nd half as if the game had already been won, and played like we did the season we finished 3rd in a 2 horse race. Poch was guilty of 1, not making changes quicker, 2, taking off the wrong players and 3, after they made their changes not noticing we needed to drop a little deeper, but the players where guilty to. KWP for trying to take on too many players and losing it, Rose why not clear it into row Z, or even Jan try and block it and hope the ball doesn't go in his own goal, and for the 2nd goal KWP for running across Armstrong, or Lloris with the free kick centre, position himself centre. it looks like they didn't do their homework on Ward-Prowse, even I said to myself at the start, don't give silly free kicks around the area before a ball was kicked.

 

[Spurger King]

I think the stadium will be the shot in the arm the manager, players, and fans need. If the malaise surrounding the club continues when we’re back home, something is seriously wrong.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

I honestly think he's done. Sounds like a man who's lost the plot and lost the ability to motivate the team, week on week.

Yes I wondered that. If we fail to get CL it might make him realise that he has reached his ceiling at the club. On the other hand, the new stadium and the possible lack of better offers might encourage him to stay.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I honestly think he's done. Sounds like a man who's lost the plot and lost the ability to motivate the team, week on week.

He sounds like a man who has run out of ideas. He’s pulling the same levers he’s always pulled, but not getting the effects. His only hope is that these levers suddenly start working again. The danger is that he honestly believes all the problems are on the pitch, not the training ground.

 

[stevenurse]

Never a good sign when the manager openly digs out the players, and he's done it on several occasions this season.

Its almost a show of arrogance on his part by not freshening up the squad. New players bring new personalities, new competition and new ideas to a team. The fact we've won fuck all goes to show the squad can be improved.

No doubt he is working miracles, but he's no longer the most important man at the club. Kane is by a distance

 

[double0]

The problem is not with Poch, he's been a master in tactical play and setting up the team imo. There are players his taken to the highest levels of their abilities, it's now obvious he needs help with better players.

 

[Krule]

The problem is not Poch, he's been a master in tactical play and setting up the team imo. Poch has also taken players to the highest of their abilities what he need now is better players.

I will beg to disagree with you...especially regarding tactics and team selections. Yesterday's debacle was a prime example. Long break ahead and he decides to 'rest' some big players a day early.....WTF ??

 

[JCRD]

The problem is not Poch, he's been a master in tactical play and setting up the team imo. Poch has also taken players to the highest of their abilities what he need now is better players.

Precisely. This squad has run its course, we need to replenish it and revitalise it. Keeping the same players but getting in a new Manager would be ridiculous because its the squad itself thats the issue. Yes Poch fucks up agreed but every Manager fucks up.

We MUST rejig the squad and replenish it because the squad has clearly run its course.

 

[double0]

I will beg to disagree with you...especially regarding tactics and team selections. Yesterday's debacle was a prime example. Long break ahead and he decides to 'rest' some big players a day early.....WTF ??

I will beg to disagree with you...especially regarding tactics and team selections. Yesterday's debacle was a prime example. Long break ahead and he decides to 'rest' some big players a day early.....WTF ??

Poch has managed the squad perfectly and been very flexible with tactics and formation. The team he picked to play Southampton was good enough to win, your suggesting in hindsight it wasn't therefore proves we now need better standards of players

 

[ardiles]

Poch needs to learn to use the hairdryer.
After yesterday’s second half performance, Fergie would have made sure that the players don’t forget that in a long while.

 

[Jaddas]

Poch has taken us as far as he can with this current squad of players and financial restrictions. Our current level is challenging for top 4 with the next level being winning cups/titles.

If bean counter (Levy) loosened the purse strings, can Poch lead us to glory? I think he can but he does have some glaring weaknesses (tactics & identifying players) which he does need to urgently address. There is no question that he is the best in the world at improving players.

I'm glad with the comments he made yesterday because the whole club from Lewis/Levy, to Poch and the players, need to look at themselves and really decide what they want. If Lewis/Levy aren't going to spend then I really hope they sell up and find someone who will. They would have to be realistic with their valuation though but I think they will be too greedy.

Lewis/Levy have owned us for 2 years longer than Abramovich has Chelsea, yet all we've won in that time is a League Cup whereas they've won 14 trophies. I hate Chelsea but that says it all about our owners intentions. Profit before players.

 

[spursfan77]

He sounds like a man who has run out of ideas. He’s pulling the same levers he’s always pulled, but not getting the effects. His only hope is that these levers suddenly start working again. The danger is that he honestly believes all the problems are on the pitch, not the training ground.

He’s had the same players for too long. Footballers don’t need an excuse to slacken off. He needs to refresh the squad.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

needs to stick with the same TEAM & FORMATION for more then one game! The reason behind our success during the xmas period was because we stuck with the same team and had some fluidity, i highly doubt he will change tho and will keep chopping and changing especially with CL incoming

 

[double0]

Poch needs to learn to use the hairdryer.
After yesterday’s second half performance, Fergie would have made sure that the players don’t forget that in a long while.

FORGET Fergie.... remember United spent a fortune and recycled players. Poch is on the right tracks but now needs financial help in the transfer market.

 

[double0]

Poch has taken us as far as he can with this current squad of players and financial restrictions. Our current level is challenging for top 4 with the next level being winning cups/titles.

If bean counter (Levy) loosened the purse strings, can Poch lead us to glory? I think he can but he does have some glaring weaknesses (tactics & identifying players) which he does need to urgently address. There is no question that he is the best in the world at improving players.

I'm glad with the comments he made yesterday because the whole club from Lewis/Levy, to Poch and the players, need to look at themselves and really decide what they want. If Lewis/Levy aren't going to spend then I really hope they sell up and find someone who will. They would have to be realistic with their valuation though but I think they will be too greedy.

Lewis/Levy have owned us for 2 years longer than Abramovich has Chelsea, yet all we've won in that time is a League Cup whereas they've won 14 trophies. I hate Chelsea but that says it all about our owners intentions. Profit before players.

I really don't understand this myth about Poch lack of tactical awareness... did you not see Dortmund and other games we've played this season. We've played a combination of formations this season...Poch is squeezing everything out of these players.

 

[Lighty64]

I will beg to disagree with you...especially regarding tactics and team selections. Yesterday's debacle was a prime example. Long break ahead and he decides to 'rest' some big players a day early.....WTF ??

I totally disagree with you, it's only a long break for the club, not the players. as I posted above

we might have 3 weeks off, even though most of the players haven't. it's been a season due to injuries that rotation hasn't been easy, and bar 1 week off these players have not only had to play 2 games a week since September, they haven't had much of a rest since the start of the 2017/18 season. after a run of games Chelsea, Arsenal and Dortmund 3 high tense games in 6 days, players need to be rested, especially as they had all played in 2 or all 3 of the previous matches. that is the reason we never played the same XI as we did on Wednesday. if he had and we picked up injuries that meant those players got injured, the same people moaning "we never played our strongest XI", would of moaned it was Poch's fault because we were only playing Southampton, and should of been able to use "him, instead of him".

 

[double0]

needs to stick with the same TEAM & FORMATION for more then one game! The reason behind our success during the xmas period was because we stuck with the same team and had some fluidity, i highly doubt he will change tho and will keep chopping and changing especially with CL incoming

He can't win if he did that people will complain saying he doesn't have a plan B.

 

[g_harry]

see today Klopp shouting in the face of 4th Official and confronting the ref at the end of game. Im sure nothing will be said again

 

[Ben1]

Its lucky he isn't Mourinho or the like, so no one really cares what he says on a wider scale. Some of the quotes and contradictions this season would be back page news at Utd.