The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY 31st August 2021

[chrisd2k]

I see what everyone is saying that DL should listen to the people he pays to do that job, but it's also his job to protect the club financially.

It seems wolves wanted a big chunk upfront cash in this deal so I can see why DL didn't want to do it as none of us know how that would have left us financially.

I would have expected us to have other options if it's an area we were concerned with but maybe the thought was we go back in January or even the summer or that other targets we want weren't available in this window and we are prepared to wait to get the right player not someone that would just do.

 

[DarwinSpur]

This is that the apologists seem to not want to grasp. The point is not whether Traore was the right signing or not. It's the fact that Levy interfered in something he shouldn't be interfering in.

If he hired Paratici on the promise of no interference, he's undermined his relationship with the key footballing member of staff in the whole operation - that's just plain bonkers and speaks to a character that is both arrogant and naive to the point of childishness about what his abilities are.

Those people saying 'it's OK, because we didn't want Traore' ask yourselves this:

If we were in the market for a player you did want at the club and that transfer was blocked, would you be quite so sanguine about Levy's interference then? If he did it this time, he'll do it again next time. Maybe it isn't to the detriment of the club on this occasion (although that in itself is debatable) but one day it will be.

Spin that.

No “spin” required mate. Paying that much money for a player with his limitations and in an area of the field we have plenty of depth in is incredibly poor business. Arsenal levels of risk.

of course Levy stepped in. I find it a bit worrying that Nuno and Paratici even suggested paying that fee. Traore would have to have had at least one 10 goal 10 assist season to come close to justify that outlay in a normal year let alone during a pandemic. Levy may know Jack shit about football but he can read numbers as any fule no…

Find it weird that people are surprised he intervened tbh.
Now go find and sign a fucking striker in January Fabio! (Or maybe Traore for 25 million

 

[danny32]

I think some of you are fighting a losing battle. The majority on here are quite level headed but for a few they will clearly defend Levy till the death even when it makes no sense. Levy could burn down our stadium this evening and some would praise him and tell us its all part of the big rebuild.

You can be a fan of what Levy has done for us whilst still recognising his mistakes and vice versa.

Well done Levy for burning down the stadium today.

 

[Univarn]

I think some of you are fighting a losing battle. The majority on here are quite level headed but for a few they will clearly defend Levy till the death even when it makes no sense. Levy could burn down our stadium this evening and some would praise him and tell us its all part of the big rebuild.

You can be a fan of what Levy has done for us whilst still recognising his mistakes and vice versa.

Suspect #1 officer right here

 

[Rob]

No “spin” required mate. Paying that much money for a player with his limitations and in an area of the field we have plenty of depth in is incredibly poor business. Arsenal levels of risk.

The priciple you're ignoring is, what makes Levy qualifed to assess the player vs the guy he's employed ot be in charge of doing just that and the guy who's spent years working with the player.

Daniel is within his remit to say if a player is over-budget. That's it. It's not in his remit to use his opinion of a player to change our transfer strategy. Comments like "we can get him for 20m next year" is just laughable and it's silly games like that that meant we lost out on Grealish amongst many others.

 

[robertgoulet]

Is it possible that Daniel's argument was "this money was budgeted for a striker, I'm not sanctioning it for Traore when we already have Bergwijn, Moura, Gil and Son."? Weasel way to get out of it but seems Daniely.

 

[DarwinSpur]

The priciple you're ignoring is, what makes Levy qualifed to assess the player vs the guy he's employed ot be in charge of doing just that and the guy who's spent years working with the player.

Daniel is within his remit to say if a player is over-budget. That's it. It's not in his remit to use his opinion of a player to change our transfer strategy. Comments like "we can get him for 20m next year" is just laughable and it's silly games like that that meant we lost out on Grealish amongst many others.

Lol seriously - “principle” went out the window when our DOF and coach came to the transfer committee with a suggestion bordering on insanity. I fucking love Adama Traore but if Paratici and Nuno had suggested to me we pay that much money for him I would have sacked them on the spot - or called an ambulance.

Now Adama might go on to have a 10 goal 10 assist season and I really hope he does because I love watching the guy but he’s never got anywhere near those numbers in his career. Us paying that much money was as insane and an insult as City offering 100 million for Kane. He’s worth that to Wolves but not to us and the Chairman rightly stepped in.

We should be more concerned Fab and Nuno thought any of this was a good idea. Maybe it was a secret test of fab’s on levy?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Lol seriously - “principle” went out the window when our DOF and coach came to the transfer committee with a suggestion bordering on insanity. I fucking love Adama Traore but if Paratici and Nuno had suggested to me we pay that much money for him I would have sacked them on the spot - or called an ambulance.

Now Adama might go on to have a 10 goal 10 assist season and I really hope he does because I love watching the guy but he’s never got anywhere near those numbers in his career. Us paying that much money was as insane and an insult as City offering 100 million for Kane. He’s worth that to Wolves but not to us and the Chairman rightly stepped in.

We should be more concerned Fab and Nuno thought any of this was a good idea. Maybe it was a secret test of fab’s on levy?

There is probably good reason for Nuno to want Adama, the space he creates, his press resistance, dribbling ability etc that tactically changes how we play and how the opponent play against us not just assist or scoring numbers. He is certainly more qualified than Levy to make a call on a player and I think as @Trix said the next time a player is linked and it’s one you personally like and Levy just stops it even though he agreed the budget and its within budget I doubt you will be happy. This is not suppose to be Levy’s area and it’s troubling he wants to interfere as though he is playing CM.

 

[anydange]

Why are people so surprised by this? Levy is Levy. He will never change and why would he bother? No one holds him accountable, nor do we challenge his position (outside of the internet) as a fan base. People in his position don't have to change and don't want to because there are no consequences to their actions. We piss and moan but thousands of people still pay the ridiculous ticket prices and buy the shirts from the club shop. That's all that matters to him.

 

[DarwinSpur]

There is probably good reason for Nuno to want Adama, the space he creates, his press resistance, dribbling ability etc that tactically changes how we play and how the opponent play against us not just assist or scoring numbers. He is certainly more qualified than Levy to make a call on a player and I think as @Trix said the next time a player is linked and it’s one you personally like and Levy just stops it even though he agreed the budget and its within budget I doubt you will be happy. This is not suppose to be Levy’s area and it’s troubling he wants to interfere as though he is playing CM.

You don’t have to sell me on the qualities Adama could potentially bring to our team play. It’s not really the point I’m making but I’m on my phone and it’s a bit awkward to be clear and I don’t want @the lad running around the site neg repping me ?

I’ll get back to you later ?

 

[crazyguitarman]

For those talking about the "risk" of signing Traore, what is the risk exactly? The risk that he will come here and not do exactly what he is already doing for Wolves? Why is that any more of a risk than, say, signing an 18 year old player for 30m, from an entirely different league, and hoping that he somehow becomes the next Modric? Don't get me wrong, I like that we are a club building for the future, but in terms of risk I think many people have it backwards.

You can argue that 50m for Traore is overpaying, but it's not inherently "risky". You might say "yeah but if he flops then it's 50m minus his expected value wasted which we could have spent on a backup striker". Okay, sure, but we didn't spend it on a backup striker either, did we? We still start the season with a backup striker-shaped hole in the squad, it's just now additionally we also have an Adama Traore-shaped hole as well. The risk in footballing terms is all but guaranteed now that we didn't sign anyone to fill that role.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

The priciple you're ignoring is, what makes Levy qualifed to assess the player vs the guy he's employed ot be in charge of doing just that and the guy who's spent years working with the player.

Daniel is within his remit to say if a player is over-budget. That's it. It's not in his remit to use his opinion of a player to change our transfer strategy. Comments like "we can get him for 20m next year" is just laughable and it's silly games like that that meant we lost out on Grealish amongst many others.

Very much this.

Levy can judge both manager and DoF on their performance, but he must stand back and let them do their job. It's a results business, if the results are bad, sack them and get new ones.

Levy as the CEO should agree the overall strategy with his DoF and clearly will lay out and monitor the budget.

But absolutely in no way does Levy get to have an opinion on the footballing abilities, current or potential. of any player. He is NOT qualified to have an opinion. Although there is clearly a Ron Noades lurking within Levy.

If the strategy, for example, is to find players age 20-23 priced between x and y million pounds, with a certain footballing profile and potential, and the DoF and manager agree on a certain player fits those criteria, and it's all within budget, Levy does not get to have an opinion on this. (If Levy gets to have an opinion why not have a random lottery draw down the Bill Nic and let random supporters have a veto, they would be just as qualified...i.e. they aren't)

I can see one caveat on Traore. If the financing of the a deal was "unusual" the CEO is in his/her rights to veto. But Levy doesn't get to have an opinion on Traore as a football player. I also think it was fair for Levy to have a veto on Kane. Anything that is clearly huge for the club's reputation and could even trigger a crisis scenario, that's clearly something for the CEO to be closely engaged with.

But overall Levy needs to back off. (maybe Nuno should ask for him to be banned from lurking in the canteen)

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Keep this simple!
Any more actions like this from DL, our DoF will serve notice! Now go argue with that.

... and fair play to him, he should... im just pleased he hasnt already after this state of affairs

 

[Aphex]

Why are people so surprised by this? Levy is Levy. He will never change and why would he bother? No one holds him accountable, nor do we challenge his position (outside of the internet) as a fan base. People in his position don't have to change and don't want to because there are no consequences to their actions. We piss and moan but thousands of people still pay the ridiculous ticket prices and buy the shirts from the club shop. That's all that matters to him.

Exactly, there is nothing we can do to change it, we just have to wait until he sells up or otherwise. Anyone who expected zero interference by Levy hasn't been paying attention for 20 years. We know Levy fancies himself as a bit of a football person, we are still his toy, and he will want to get involved occasionally.

All we can hope for is it's as minimal as possible.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

ITK, What can you say?
Info shared twice a year.
Some is right, some is wrong.
Yet all you ****s are here.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

ITK, What can you say?
Info shared twice a year.
Some is right, some is wrong.
Yet all you ****s are here.

Swearing at ITK. Needs banning

 

[Hakkz]

Lol seriously - “principle” went out the window when our DOF and coach came to the transfer committee with a suggestion bordering on insanity. I fucking love Adama Traore but if Paratici and Nuno had suggested to me we pay that much money for him I would have sacked them on the spot - or called an ambulance.

Now Adama might go on to have a 10 goal 10 assist season and I really hope he does because I love watching the guy but he’s never got anywhere near those numbers in his career. Us paying that much money was as insane and an insult as City offering 100 million for Kane. He’s worth that to Wolves but not to us and the Chairman rightly stepped in.

We should be more concerned Fab and Nuno thought any of this was a good idea. Maybe it was a secret test of fab’s on levy?

Then he should sack Paratici and probably Hitchen too. But then he has no excuses left the next time...

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Swearing at ITK. Needs banning

Agreed.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Swearing at ITK. Needs banning

Is that what it is? I always thought he was referring to everyone as "stars".

 

[Jamturk]

Is anyone going to give Levy any credit for standing firm in keeping Kane?