The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6th January 2015

[mw828]

Trix on COYS re Ings...

£9mil gets him now, and yes he would leave.

I wonder if a 1m offer would turn their heads?

 

[L-man]

We're not paying £9m for a player who's contract is up in the summer, never gunna happen.

Recent signing of Holtby & Pienaar was only 1.5m and 3m (?) respectively prove that and it seemed at the time that we reluctantly signed Holtby. Also Levy was the guy who transferred Zeki Fryers to Belgium just to save a million or two.

£9m or take the risk of a free + development/ tribunal fee (not sure if we have to pay this)? Easy decision for Levy

 

[matthew.absurdum]

We're not paying £9m for a player who's contract is up in the summer, never gunna happen.

Recent signing of Holtby & Pienaar was only 1.5m and 3m (?), respectively. Also Levy was the guy who transferred Zeki Fryers to Belgium just to save a million or two. £9m or take the risk of a free + development/ tribunal fee (not sure if we have to pay this)? Easy decision for Levy

He is not entirely free in this summer. Need to pay a significant amount of compensation fees to burnley

 

[L-man]

He is not entirely free in this summer. Need to pay a significant amount of compensation fees to burnley

That's why I said development/ tribunal fee but it's not going to be £9m worth

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

At £9m there ain't a chance we're signing him.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

Trix on COYS re Ings...

£9mil gets him now, and yes he would leave.

I'd maybe try one last £15m go for Rodriguez, and if Southampton don't bite, do this.

7.5 and a loan of one of our undesirables?

Have you every been to Burnley before? I'd be pretty confident there's not one player in our squad who would consider going there, even if the alternative was training with the youth team

 

[Studsy23]

Burnley are also in town this week so good chance to start / conclude any discussions. For me, good deal which you will never lose any money on which has to appeal to DL.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'd maybe try one last £15m go for Rodriguez, and if Southampton don't bite, do this.




Have you every been to Burnley before? I'd be pretty confident there's not one player in our squad who would consider going there, even if the alternative was training with the youth team

Why buy an injured play with no specific return date for an obscene fee when we have Chadli doing very well in the same position?

 

[Ledleys Knee]

We're not paying £9m for a player who's contract is up in the summer, never gunna happen.

Recent signing of Holtby & Pienaar was only 1.5m and 3m (?) respectively prove that and it seemed at the time that we reluctantly signed Holtby. Also Levy was the guy who transferred Zeki Fryers to Belgium just to save a million or two.

£9m or take the risk of a free + development/ tribunal fee (not sure if we have to pay this)? Easy decision for Levy

We will, and it will probably be £5-6m.

At £9m there ain't a chance we're signing him.

£9m for a striker of his quality is a good price. He'd probably be worth £20m if there wasn't a contract issue.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

Why buy an injured play with no specific return date for an obscene fee when we have Chadli doing very well in the same position?

He's due back in 3 weeks.

And, because of his versatility, he'd be competition/cover for both Chadli and Kane

I rate Rodriguez as the best English forward except for Kane (ahead of Sturridge, Welbeck, Rooney, Berahino and Ings).

I'd be happy with Ings, but he's essentially the budget version of Rodriguez

 

[Darrkespur]

The development fee for Ings as he's under 24 will easily be 5-6M (Fryers was supposed to be 3.5), so it's basically paying 3-4M for the second half of the season. That's not too bad considering his form and ability, and how much we really need another attacking option.

 

[bceej]

This is the deal we need to clinch this window. Simple as that.

 

[prawnsandwich]

He's due back in 3 weeks.

And, because of his versatility, he'd be competition/cover for both Chadli and Kane

I rate Rodriguez as the best English forward except for Kane (ahead of Sturridge, Welbeck, Rooney, Berahino and Ings).

I'd be happy with Ings, but he's essentially the budget version of Rodriguez

Wow!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

He's due back in 3 weeks.

And, because of his versatility, he'd be competition/cover for both Chadli and Kane

I rate Rodriguez as the best English forward except for Kane (ahead of Sturridge, Welbeck, Rooney, Berahino and Ings).

I'd be happy with Ings, but he's essentially the budget version of Rodriguez

Wot? Rodriguez is a good player, and someone I would still look to sign in the future. But not when he's injured- and there could be more obstacles for him before he returns and after. He also played LM for Poch and if we get a winger (which we should), at the moment, it needs to be someone who's exceptionally quick.

And the comment about Rodriguez and Kane being better than Sturridge and Rooney is slightly crazy, and wrong. He doesn't even play in the same position.

 

[ilikeost]

Are there not supposed to be 8 in the 25 excluding u21's?
So that must mean we can only have 17 non hg's above 21 years old.

You don't need to have the 8, you can have any number of home grown players from 25 to 0. We currently have a 23 man squad with 6 home grown players. If we want to add more above U21 non-home grown players need to sell one of our 17 non-home grown players first.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

Wow!

I’ve never rated him. Should have been an CM if his ego hadn’t dictated that he play CF. Probably not the place for this conversation though

1. From what I have seen in YouTube (I know, i know), he seems like an ideal type of foxs in the box, good positioning, finishing and pace

He’s strong, quick, direct and very hardworking. He’s not a #10, but he drives with the ball from deep/wide positions. Reminds me a bit of a young Robbie Keane

I imagine he’ll be used as an option in the Chadli role as much as covering for Kane.

 

[Spursidol]

We should look to our recent past to identify the transfer dealings that were most successful for the club. 4 out of the 5 best players at the club currently (Chadli, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Lloris) were all bought from outside of England. All 4 were established internationals with major experience in European club football, and they also all happened to have contracts that were winding down. In fact, contrary to popular opinion here that we should be looking the homegrown route for any future additions (seems like an unnecessary backlash to the summer of 2013), almost all of our best transfers in the past decade have been players from outside of the UK (Modric, Berbatov, Van der Vaart, Lloris, Eriksen, Chadli, Vertonghen). Gareth Bale is the one exception, and he happens to be a once in a lifetime talent.

So, to me, the players that fit the profile of the above and that we should be targeting are guys like Ayew, Konoplyanka and Moreno. All proven at the club and international level and on contracts that are winding down. I also would've said Shaqiri would've been a perfect signing for us in the mold of Van der Vaart. Out of favour player at one of the biggest clubs in the world, who was available for a relatively modest transfer fee without major competition from CL teams.

By the way, all this talk about wage limitations has me wondering what the hell is going on with the television revenue windfall the club saw from the new television rights deal? 33 million additional pounds last year, likely the same this season. Where is this money going? If the club is not engaging in any deficit spending transfer wise, are we saying the wage bill has exploded to 120+ million pounds? That sounds utterly ludicrous, right? We know agent fees for our busiest transfer window in history only saw us spend 3 million more pounds on agent fees in 2013-2014 than in 2012-2013 (when we posted a 4 million pound profit pre-TV rights renewal), so you can't just say "all that new money has gone to agent fees," cause it clearly hasn't. Is ALL of this money going towards the stadium? If it is, the club has a duty to tell the supporters that. We're talking about 120+ million pounds of new, guaranteed income through 2016 that most clubs will use to strengthen their squads. If we are diverting ALL (or most) of this to the stadium costs (which I somehow doubt), then one must wonder what Levy's financing plan was if this television deal never came to fruition?

Things will be really clear when we do what Everton did recently and post their financial statement. They went from a 1 million pound profit to a 27+ million pound profit almost entirely on the strength of their television revenue (which is why they could afford to buy Lukaku). So, I don't think people should readily just accept austerity and no incomings based on some perceived financial hardship, especially if we actually bring in money by selling players (I would not be happy to just sell Naughton, Lennon, Capoue on for example, and just sit on that money. Who knows if it'll be available to Pochettino come the summer).

A central plank of your post is that the increase in TV revenues can be spent on wages - can I check that you know that PL clubs have agreed to limit the amount of TV money which can be spent on wages ' Clubs whose total wage bill is more than £52m will only be allowed to increase their wages by £4m per season for the next three years'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-ratify-Financial-Fair-Play-regulations.html

So bringing in new players (with PL sized wages) is restricted by these rules.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

Wot? Rodriguez is a good player, and someone I would still look to sign in the future. But not when he's injured- and there could be more obstacles for him before he returns and after. He also played LM for Poch and if we get a winger (which we should), at the moment, it needs to be someone who's exceptionally quick.

And the comment about Rodriguez and Kane being better than Sturridge and Rooney is slightly crazy, and wrong. He doesn't even play in the same position.

Rodriguez (like Ings, Welbeck and Sturridge) can play both WF and CF. That's the beauty of him (and Ings would be the same). Competition for Chadli and our 3rd CF

 

[Son of spurs]

We need a player now let's get him

 

[mw828]

The development fee for Ings as he's under 24 will easily be 5-6M (Fryers was supposed to be 3.5), so it's basically paying 3-4M for the second half of the season. That's not too bad considering his form and ability, and how much we really need another attacking option.

I don't really view it as paying 3-4m for the 2nd half of the season. I see it as paying the extra millions to prevent someone else from coming in this summer with a better deal.