The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 5th August 2015

[Tonio]

I've never seen so much Gay innuendo between guys than I have on this site. Is that bantz on the modern era? Anyway back on topic .

 

[piedpiper]

I am struggling to understand why people are amazed by the delay. If you were the chairman of a club whose player we had an interest in and you saw that we had already sold both Ade and Bobby, would you not up the fee as you could smell the desperation?

At the moment, Levy has the position (albeit quite a transparent one) that as long as Ade and Bobby are still ours, they could be brought back in from the cold so we will not be held to ransom on incomings.

We have had like May,June & July to get incoming strikers sorted. I dont believe that theory of first getting our incomings sorted before announcing Ade or Soldado out. We had no problem sorting Wimmer and Toby before Kaboul and Chiriches left. Why should it be any different on strikers. Something else is the delay i suspect.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Tapping up is when a player speaks to another club without his clubs permission. If we have said to some of our players that they are free to speak to other clubs to find a move they can speak to whoever they want. If we have not said so they can't. Although their agents can, but they can't make deals.

I fully understand that, however it clearly goes on without teams permission these days (Berahino to us probably) but the law in football is not strong enough to enforce it even if a team kicks up a fuss. Did Utd get punished for Berbatov for example?

 

[SHaRD]

I'd assume it's no different to us putting a permanent free transfer option on the end of the loan. I'm sure we would not have any problems with Villa offering him a free transfer for next summer at this stage, whereas if it was a contract rebel we would report them. Bit like 'tapping up' these days, we are happy for Ade, Vlad, etc.. to discuss terms with clubs before they even contact us, but if Utd spoke to Kane or Lloris there would be hell to pay.

It wouldn't be unlike football teams to bend the rules in such a case.

But no one has authority to determine what happens to Ade at the end of his contract this long before the end.

Theoretically it would be like Kane announcing tomorrow that he'd signed a deal with Man U for 2020-1 season after his contract with us expires.

You can only sign pre-contracts 6 months prior to the end to go abroad, or at the end to stay in the same country

 

[Sweech]

Adebayor has bored me shitless

Eat more fibre.

 

[Lilbaz]

I fully understand that, however it clearly goes on without teams permission these days (Berahino to us probably) but the law in football is not strong enough to enforce it even if a team kicks up a fuss. Did Utd get punished for Berbatov for example?

We threatened to report them they paid an extra couple of £mil.

 

[Lilbaz]

We have had like May,June & July to get incoming strikers sorted. I dont believe that theory of first getting our incomings sorted before announcing Ade or Soldado out. We had no problem sorting Wimmer and Toby before Kaboul and Chiriches left. Why should it be any different on strikers. Something else is the delay i suspect.

Weren't they both release fees?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

But no one has authority to determine what happens to Ade at the end of his contract this long before the end.

Theoretically it would be like Kane announcing tomorrow that he'd signed a deal with Man U for 2020-1 season after his contract with us expires.

You can only sign pre-contracts 6 months prior to the end to go abroad, or at the end to stay in the same country

Unless you have explicit consent from present club.

 

[SpartanSpur]

But no one has authority to determine what happens to Ade at the end of his contract this long before the end.

Theoretically it would be like Kane announcing tomorrow that he'd signed a deal with Man U for 2020-1 season after his contract with us expires.

You can only sign pre-contracts 6 months prior to the end to go abroad, or at the end to stay in the same country

Would make sense for Villa to take the loan now and negotiate this in January, however something is causing this delay, and it seems to be some agreement between Ade and Villa.

And my point in general is that laws in football seem to be full of loopholes, and never absolute.

 

[nailsy]

The loan contract is between us and Villa for length of loan, loan fee, how much Villa contribute to wages etc. We have a contract with Adebayor saying he gets £x/week. There might be no need for a contract between Ade & Villa except for after his contract with us runs out next season. It is quite possible that loan all signed & done.

If Villa are making a payment to him during the loan they would need a contract. I just don't get why the loan wouldn't be announced if the contracts have all been signed as what happens afterwards is irrelevant at this stage.

I guess the simple explanation is that Ade has signed a contract, but it's still with his agent/lawyer who won't release it until they have an agreement about what happens after the loan.

It seems (from the ITK info) that all is fine with that, just ade is wanting villa to agree to sign him next year, but villa won't agree and IMO rightly so, he needs to perform to get the contract

I agree that he needs to earn it. If that's the hold up I can see him talking himself out of a move.

 

[SonicSarr]

If Villa are making a payment to him during the loan they would need a contract.

That doesn't need to be the case. We pay Ade what we are contractually obliged to and Villa pay us a contribution according to the terms of our loan agreement with them. There need not be any contract between Ade & Villa, at least not for that reason anyway.

Edit: I can see there may be an issue with goal bonuses etc but this is not the place. Just hope it gets done.

 

[piedpiper]

Weren't they both release fees?

Not sure on the release fees bit but we have had the whole of the previous season to realise that Ade and Soldado needed to move on and identify our targets and move in for them.

 

[classwell]

Levy already said that deals would have to be done towards the end of the window, it's the reality of negotiation in this business. Because we don't have money to throw around we need to use the deadline to our advantage, surely some itk has touched on this

 

[Lilbaz]

Not sure on the release fees bit but we have had the whole of the previous season to realise that Ade and Soldado needed to move on and identify our targets and move in for them.

Maybe we thought the defence was the priority. Also the Marshal deal fell through when Monaco offered him an improved contract.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I agree that he needs to earn it. If that's the hold up I can see him talking himself out of a move.

Double edged sword though. If he has a blinder in the first half of the season he might sign a pre-contract elsewhere in Jan. Or when it comes round to negotiating a permanent deal he wants £50k more pw.

Both sides could benefit from agreeing a follow on deal now, if possible.

 

[WorthATry]

Adebayor has bored me shitless

Yeah, straight anal gets a bit tiresome after a while. Maybe get him to tickle your balls at the same time?

 

[Good Doctor M]

Levy already said that deals would have to be done towards the end of the window, it's the reality of negotiation in this business. Because we don't have money to throw around we need to use the deadline to our advantage, surely some itk has touched on this

Levy has said that we'll be dealing mostly towards the end of the window indeed...


Can everyone take note of this. Or are the Moany McMonersons suffering from amnesia?

 

[luptic]

Levy has said that we'll be dealing mostly towards the end of the window indeed...


Can everyone take note of this. Or are the Moany McMonersons suffering from amnesia?

Its like waiting to open your presents at christmas for us grown up men.
Typical spurs leaving it until the 12 days of christmas are nearly over and sales have begun before given us fans what we might want, only at a better price.

 

[Spoondog]

Levy already said that deals would have to be done towards the end of the window, it's the reality of negotiation in this business. Because we don't have money to throw around we need to use the deadline to our advantage, surely some itk has touched on this

Agree.

If deals can be done early, great (we've done 3) - otherwise without throwing money the problem, we need to wait until the chain to unravel & for agents to stop playing clubs off against each other to get the best deal.

I'm not too bothered when Ade goes, I'm still too pleased that it still looks likely he's going at all to let the details get to me.

 

[Cooko]

I still believe we will end up with Charlie Austin, other names are their to tease us!