The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 26th August 2021

[taidgh]

Excellent news regarding Sarr. I can't be the only one who was fearing it would fall though.

Best of luck to Moussa. Always did what was asked of him.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

How can Son play up top for the ECL/Carabao games but also play every minute as LW in the Prem?

The issue isn't that Son isn't good enough, it's that both him and Kane should be getting rested at every possible opportunity - and the only other player in the squad with any experience at all as a CF is a 17 year old.

It's just ridiculous.

Okay here’s another way to think about it. The main targets we wanted are priced out, so the only other strikers out there would be expensive and not move the needle enough to be worth the outlay.

But, for a similar price you can get a winger who could move the needle. One so impactful you could even rest Son occasionally. Do you do that deal or sit on your hands waiting for a striker that will never come? Seems obvious to me...

 

[ParkySpur]

Doesn't take much to meltdown in here does it? At least it's not as bad as the match day thread - I ventured in there for the first leg vs Paco, then remembered why I avoided them. Sheeesh.

Negligence? One of Son or Kane never going to get a rest?

So Kane and Son have to play at the same time every game? Son can't have a rest whilst one of the various attacking wide players fills his position? Kane can play the striker whilst this happens. Kane can have a rest, and be covered by Son who has proven he can play the central striker very well if has proper support either side.

It would be ideal to get back-up in case Kane gets injured, but that back up would have to be on par with Son being the back-up and that is hard to find. And someone of that quality wouldn't be happy as back up.

But negligent? Come on. And just because it doesn't look like it right now, doesn't mean a striker isn't coming.

Other than having to read the whinings of the entitled, this window has been quite enjoyable. The info from Trix, Hercules and Hotspur88 (where's he gone?) has been great to read, and the impression I get is that Paratici knows what he wants and knows how to get it. The business we have done so far has been excellent. Gil and Romero I think will improve the first XI pretty quick. Sissoko gone, Sarr for the future. I'm personally a big fan of Traore. If we can bring him in, and possibly Moriba, then Paratici is only a back up striker away from avoiding a Safeguarding for negligence!

 

[mbroe]

Not even considering how it is a poor decision for the club, not signing an additional striker sets up Dane to fail. He should be playing 30+ matches this season to mature into a professional, develop as a footballer and for us to learn whether he is good enough to be involved in 22/23.

The only situation where he gets that amount of matches with us is if Harry and Sonny both get injured and in that case unless he is world class at 17 years old, which no one should expect, he will fail. Otherwise he will just be a cup player which I don't think serves his development. I get that Nuno trusts his sports science team to keep the a smaller squad fit, but if that's the case, loan the kid out and bring in a veteran striker as insurance.

 

[paulcumpstone]

Strikers
Nuno wants to play with one, And goal scoring runners from deep. He sees Traoré essential for this. Before you sarcastic gits find it hard to resist. His assist and space threat is what I am on about

You wont find anyone like that around here

 

[Matthew]

Final week baby, more in's and out's expected.

this is increasing my optimism, for all of you digging me out for my pessimism ?

 

[gibbospurs]

Traore is a FW. So I wouldn’t get too cocky, Mr Gibbopants.

Lol, he’s a winger. Moving the goal posts?? ?

 

[dtxspurs]

And Son was preferred to him when Kane was injured. Son has a legitimately excellent strike rate when played up top, it's very very difficult to find a backup striker who managers will prefer over Son when Kane is unavailable. Adding additional depth at winger makes sense if Nuno really rates Son as a No. 9.

Agreed, but it gave us an option. Son only had to start 3/9 Europa league games because of that. When does Son rest now that he has to play striker when Kane is out and winger when he is available?

 

[Guntz]

Agreed, but it gave us an option. Son only had to start 3/9 Europa league games because of that. When does Son rest now that he has to play striker when Kane is out and winger when he is available?

Mate, these are professional athletes we are talking about...

They can play 2 games a week

 

[ParkySpur]

Agreed, but it gave us an option. Son only had to start 3/9 Europa league games because of that. When does Son rest now that he has to play striker when Kane is out and winger when he is available?

Why does he have to play winger when Kane is available?

 

[dtxspurs]

Why does he have to play winger when Kane is available?

Because he’s our only other reliable goal scorer and our second best player?

 

[mil1lion]

Well we did do well without Kane under Poch and we had Son lead the line. I would be a lot more concerned if Traore came in and no centre forward if Jose was still in charge. If Nuno can get us playing more on the front foot with plenty of off the ball movement it will be fine. City just won the league with no true centre forward and they don't have Kane.

 

[Thenewcat]

No striker in is mental. It means at least one of Kane or Son will never get a rest. What if Kane gets injured again? Then we're really screwed. We need another proper goal threat up top anyway because currently we only have two players consistently capable of scoring. I just don't see how those in charge can't see this, and Scarlett isn't the answer at just 17.

The phrase ‘one of Kane and Son doesn’t get a rest’ doesn’t make sense to me. Rest isn’t a shared experience, you can rotate them and select at least one at all times unless one of them is injured. If they both play 90% of fixtures we can play both of them 8 times out of 10 and one of them 2 out of 10 which sounds absolutely fine (more rest in the group stages of the conference league). An injury is a more legitimate concern, but I guess it shows they have confidence in Scarlett

 

[parklane yid]

I can’t get my head around the fact many here want use to sign a proven striker to be back up just in case son and Kane get injured.

 

[JayB]

Agreed, but it gave us an option. Son only had to start 3/9 Europa league games because of that. When does Son rest now that he has to play striker when Kane is out and winger when he is available?

I'd be shocked if Scarlett isn't playing in the Conference League and domestic cups for the first half of the season. If we get down to the end of the ECL group stage and are at risk of not going through then the first team will play but otherwise we'll be using the squad. I can't possibly see Nuno and Paratici not wanting another striker if the plan is to force one of Son or Kane to play twice a week, every week. It seems a near certainty that Dane will be given his chances.

We should revisit the situation in January. If Dane takes his chances and establishes himself as good enough for the senior squad, we won't need to waste the resources on a new signing. If he looks well off the pace then we can send him to a lower league club on loan and find a journeyman to fill a Llorente-esque remit.

 

[Guntz]

I can’t get my head around the fact many here want use to sign a proven striker to be back up just in case son and Kane get injured.

Exactly it's such a hypothetical scenario

If Mane & Salah get injured for Liverpool then they would be pretty screwed too.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

Is Sarr sissokos replacement or is there another midfielder coming in?

 

[Yid-ol]

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Is Sarr sissokos replacement or is there another midfielder coming in?

Sarr wont be with us until next year, so hopefully 1 more in.

 

[ParkySpur]

Because he’s our only other reliable goal scorer and our second best player?

He didn't play winger last night when Kane was up front. We managed OK. I get that he is our second best player and source of goals. This is why he will play most games, not because we don't have back up. But to suggest he can't possibly be rested when Kane is playing is disingenuous.

 

[Aphex]

Exactly it's such a hypothetical scenario

If Mane & Salah get injured for Liverpool then they would be pretty screwed too.

They have Firminio and Jota, two proven goalscorers. It's completely different.

I am quite amazed people think having just two proven goalscorers is adequate for the whole season. On top of that, people are suggesting Son should be the first 11 left wing forward, but also then cover for Kane when he's injured / rested. Haha.