The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 25th January 2022

[HotSprut]

Enough with the murders already!!

 

[HartWhiteLane]

I do think we are trying for Diaz and trying all we can, however what really shocks me is how we never seem to have a clear strategy or plan going into a transfer window. It seems like we try whatever comes up and might be worth a bid. Sure, there might be things going on behind the scenes, but 4 days before the window closes we should be way closer to a transfer than we are right now.

Some really small clubs in Europe have a far better scouting network than we have. My uncle works as a Scout for FC Basel so I have a bit of insight how they handle their scouting and their transfers. They have a scouting department in south america, central europe, africa, eastern europe and scout players for every position. So now that Cabral left to Fiorentina (we should have been in for him btw, absolite bargain and best player i've seen in the Swiss leagues since Salah) there is absolutely no panic. They know exactly which player they'll go for and they know what's required. If for whatever reason the transfer fails they move onto Player B who they know everything about.

I understand these transfers are with way less money involved and less details to be sorted but we don't seem to have any clear scouting network outside of England that could find us talents before they move to bigger clubs. I just don't understand why we keep ignoring the Bundesliga and even the Swiss league that produced some outstanding talents over the last years. We literally have no scouting network in place.

We can't just blame FP for the mess we're in, I think often he feels too sure and comfortable and think he can just press the button and we have the target (Adama for example). This approach might have worked at Juve but certainly won't work here.

 

[SandroClegane]

I do think we are trying for Diaz and trying all we can, however what really shocks me is how we never seem to have a clear strategy or plan going into a transfer window. It seems like we try whatever comes up and might be worth a bid. Sure, there might be things going on behind the scenes, but 4 days before the window closes we should be way closer to a transfer than we are right now.

Some really small clubs in Europe have a far better scouting network than we have. My uncle works as a Scout for FC Basel so I have a bit of insight how they handle their scouting and their transfers. They have a scouting department in south america, central europe, africa, eastern europe and scout players for every position. So now that Cabral left to Fiorentina (we should have been in for him btw, absolite bargain and best player i've seen in the Swiss leagues since Salah) there is absolutely no panic. They know exactly which player they'll go for and they know what's required. If for whatever reason the transfer fails they move onto Player B who they know everything about.

I understand these transfers are with way less money involved and less details to be sorted but we don't seem to have any clear scouting network outside of England that could find us talents before they move to bigger clubs. I just don't understand why we keep ignoring the Bundesliga and even the Swiss league that produced some outstanding talents over the last years. We literally have no scouting network in place.

We can't just blame FP for the mess we're in, I think often he feels too sure and comfortable and think he can just press the button and we have the target (Adama for example). This approach might have worked at Juve but certainly won't work here.

Because you don't have an insider view of the way the club works like you do for FC Basel you know they have a far better scouting network. Okay.

Do you want the club's entire transfer strategy provided to you in a dossier? Maybe there is a plan. Maybe Diaz was one for the summer and he happened to become available in winter so we made a move.

We have no idea outside of the small snippets we get from ITK and the press. I just don't understand how you can make a wild blanket statement like that.

Spurs are ignoring the swiss league just like 99% of other english clubs. .

 

[bigfrooj]

Maybe, just maybe, that’s how transfer windows are for the majority of clubs. Transfers are difficult, they often get scuppered, delayed, have ups and downs throughout the process. They are multi million pound transactions with a large number of parties involved.

We are just much closer to it for spurs - we follow it closely and get snippets of what’s going on behind the scenes. So it might seem a bit different because we are so close, but really it’s not.

Outside of the billionaire play toys, maybe this is how it works unfortunately.

I agree but my point is things were supposed to be changing on how we do things at our club. Things are no different from what we are seeing that leads me to believe we have learned anything at all. I will continue to hope there will be some great surprises but if so it’s all going to happen on deadline day like it always does. I’ll shut up now, a lot of you guys are having fun I don’t want to be a partypooper . See you on the other side.

 

[spursfan77]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll.

 

[GMI]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll.

Maybe Charlie Kane is still leaking info to him…?

 

[yankspurs]

From Fabio's mouthpiece: Doesnt sound too close. Still sounds like its a holding pattern. PSG need to move players on. We dont want any of them.

 

[luRRka]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll.

Romano says the same. I linked it in ndombele thread

 

[Danny1]

It’s weird. This thread has gone into full weirdo meltdown because we missed out on a player (Traore) who has gone back to the club he started his career at and probably supports.

However what’s ever weirder is that pretty much everyone was having a shit fit when we were being linked with him so surely there should be happiness about it.

Is it more a case of just being able to moan about something…..think it’s pretty obvious it is.

Just wait for ITK then discuss that. It’s pretty easy to do.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Unironically the best news of the window for me. Need to end this era of chancers and build in Conte’s image.

 

[Guntz]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll. Romano with this though

Burt has exceptional sources for PSG.

Fingers crossed this one is wrapped up soon ?

 

[SpursSince1980]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll. Romano with this though

Burt has normally been pretty good on Spurs stuff. Far better than the like of Ornstein, who is 100% right, about 20% of the time!

 

[Guntz]

The Ndombele deal apparently includes an option to buy

Tottenham on verge of finally agreeing deal to offload flop Tanguy Ndombele

Record signing set to go to PSG on loan for rest of season with option to buy in the summer

www.telegraph.co.uk

Tottenham Hotspur are finally close to agreeing a deal to move on their flop record signing Tanguy Ndombele.

Paris Saint-Germain want to sign the 25-year-old midfielder and are now in advanced negotiations over a loan for the rest of the season with an option to buy at the end of the campaign.

Tottenham will demand that his wages are covered in full and want the option to become an obligation to buy and not least because a club of PSG’s resources have come in for him.

There is growing confidence that although a deal has not yet been agreed it will happen before Monday’s transfer deadline with

Spurs’ head coach Antonio Conte having made it clear he wants Ndombele to leave and that he does not feature in his plans as he works to re-shape the squad.

Spurs have been in talks with PSG for some time with their head coach Mauricio Pochettino a firm admirer of Ndombele who was signed for £55 million in July 2019 from Lyon while the Argentinian was still Tottenham manager. Pochettino believes Ndombele is a special talent.

Nevertheless Ndombele, despite his undoubted ability, has struggled since he joined Spurs and has failed to impress Pochettino’s successors with Jose Mourinho, Nuno Espirito Santo and now Conte all giving up on the French international.

PSG initially discussed a straight swap deal for Ndombele with Leandro Paredes offered in return. However that now seems unlikely with Spurs having shown little interest in the Argentinian international who wants to remain at PSG and fight for his place.

Moving on Ndombele, if a deal is finalised, will come as a relief to Spurs who are also attempting to offload Giovani Lo Celso and Dele Alli, with Newcastle United mulling over a bid, especially if they fail to sign Jesse Lingard from Manchester United, before the transfer window closes.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Burt has normally been pretty good on Spurs stuff. Far better than the like of Ornstein, who is 100% right, about 20% of the time!

So what does Burt say on Diaz ? ??

 

[chrissivad]

If only it was a better source than Burt. I hope he’s right this time as it might mean the balls start to roll.

I would rather people post Bert's info than a 'freelance' with a wordpress website...

 

[HartWhiteLane]

Because you don't have an insider view of the way the club works like you do for FC Basel you know they have a far better scouting network. Okay.

Do you want the club's entire transfer strategy provided to you in a dossier? Maybe there is a plan. Maybe Diaz was one for the summer and he happened to become available in winter so we made a move.

We have no idea outside of the small snippets we get from ITK and the press. I just don't understand how you can make a wild blanket statement like that.

Spurs are ignoring the swiss league just like 99% of other english clubs. .

We've had a lot of ITK and press over the last years that our scouting department wasn't the best. That could have changed by now certainly. I just think if we'd have a better scouting network we'd be able to get big talents in from abroad when they're 18 or 19, play them in the youth or loan them out. I can't remember us ever doing that sort of transfers for players outside the UK. I am sure with the new scouting additions we've had we will change that approach as there is a big potential as other PL Clubs are showing.

 

[sparx100]

It’s weird. This thread has gone into full weirdo meltdown because we missed out on a player (Traore) who has gone back to the club he started his career at and probably supports.

However what’s ever weirder is that pretty much everyone was having a shit fit when we were being linked with him so surely there should be happiness about it.

Is it more a case of just being able to moan about something…..think it’s pretty obvious it is.

Just wait for ITK then discuss that. It’s pretty easy to do.

I didn't want him but it is our apparent lack of strategy which worries me.

We could have had players in early January to give us more strength in depth. Instead we seem to have minced around on a player who is now going to Barca, a left winger who we have no chance with nor does he really fit one of the problem areas we have and someone more defensive in midfield who is seemingly dog shit.

I thought we wanted a centre back, central midfielder with an eye for a pass and a striker.

Same story every transfer window....

 

[RobjDerby]

I would rather people post Bert's info than a 'freelance' with a wordpress website...

I’ve always preferred Ernie anyway ??

 

[Gbspurs]

It’s weird. This thread has gone into full weirdo meltdown because we missed out on a player (Traore) who has gone back to the club he started his career at and probably supports.

However what’s ever weirder is that pretty much everyone was having a shit fit when we were being linked with him so surely there should be happiness about it.

Is it more a case of just being able to moan about something…..think it’s pretty obvious it is.

Just wait for ITK then discuss that. It’s pretty easy to do.

Imagine this mate. On a night out your are an absolute stud on the dance floor. You went through difficult years during puberty looking on from the outside but finally you are out there doing your thing every weekend and it's going great. Every Saturday you are pulling stunners way above your league and you think it's never going to end.

Then suddenly things dry up. You try a few different things hoping to get your mojo back but it's just not working. Then one night some girl expresses some interest. Sure, she isn't the standard you really want but maybe she's enough to get you back on your game. Ultimately you still aren't quite convinced and its only 9pm so you hunt around for the real catch.

1am comes and the herd is thinning, suddenly the girl from earlier doesn't look so bad but guess what, she's just copped off with some other fella and now you are back to square one with not long left in the night.

Make sense!?

 

[SpursSince1980]

I do think we are trying for Diaz and trying all we can, however what really shocks me is how we never seem to have a clear strategy or plan going into a transfer window. It seems like we try whatever comes up and might be worth a bid. Sure, there might be things going on behind the scenes, but 4 days before the window closes we should be way closer to a transfer than we are right now.

Some really small clubs in Europe have a far better scouting network than we have. My uncle works as a Scout for FC Basel so I have a bit of insight how they handle their scouting and their transfers. They have a scouting department in south america, central europe, africa, eastern europe and scout players for every position. So now that Cabral left to Fiorentina (we should have been in for him btw, absolite bargain and best player i've seen in the Swiss leagues since Salah) there is absolutely no panic. They know exactly which player they'll go for and they know what's required. If for whatever reason the transfer fails they move onto Player B who they know everything about.

I understand these transfers are with way less money involved and less details to be sorted but we don't seem to have any clear scouting network outside of England that could find us talents before they move to bigger clubs. I just don't understand why we keep ignoring the Bundesliga and even the Swiss league that produced some outstanding talents over the last years. We literally have no scouting network in place.

We can't just blame FP for the mess we're in, I think often he feels too sure and comfortable and think he can just press the button and we have the target (Adama for example). This approach might have worked at Juve but certainly won't work here.

I hear you, but respectfully disagree about the current situation. I don’t doubt there is a plan a d strategy with Fabio and Conte. It’s a question of securing the services of the right players, at the right time. Diaz may be on a shortlist of players they targeted for his position. But, perhaps they were not expecting him to be available in January. But now he is. So, they have pivoted accordingly.

Same would happen, if for some strange reason the like of Pau Torres or De Ligt was suddenly available. We may be waiting to the summer to focus on another CB, but circumstances change, and you have to be ready to react to those changes.

I am completely confident there is a strategy and plan when it comes to improving the squad. It’s more a question of timing. Conte may have decided we need 5 key positions filled. We will provide him with what he wants by the start of next season. Just so happens that we have a chance to fill one of the five now that Diaz is available.