The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 23rd December 2022

[rossdapep]

Regarding McKennie.

Feels like Bissouma wasn't totally a Conte signing and Skipp isn't getting used enough to suggest he's favoured by Conte.

That then leaves us with Bentancur and Hojbjerg.

I think Conte wants another option that is more suited to him.

Important to have numbers in the engine room.

Having said that, I'm worried at the lack of CB links

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Having said that, I'm worried at the lack of CB links

Me too.

Only thing I can think is that they are either flying under the radar, or there are no realistic targets in January, and will have to be left for the Summer.

 

[Cochise]

Hearing that Conte loves it here is probably the best thing I have heard during all the recent rumblings.

 

[kd2000]

Hearing that Conte loves it here is probably the best thing I have heard during all the recent rumblings.

Yes and no. Either he is loving it and doesn't want to leave. Or, he is saying he is loving it for leverage and getting the fans on side against the board

 

[Flobadob]

Yes and no. Either he is loving it and doesn't want to leave. Or, he is saying he is loving it for leverage and getting the fans on side against the board

Both of those things are good in my eyes. We should be putting pressure on the board to back him because he’s the best manager we are going to get

 

[kd2000]

Both of those things are good in my eyes. We should be putting pressure on the board to back him because he’s the best manager we are going to get

Again, yes and no.
It's good if he does gain leverage.
Not good if it gives him an easier out

 

[Flobadob]

Again, yes and no.
It's good if he does gain leverage.
Not good if it gives him an easier out

What’s the point in him staying if we don’t back him? I’d rather it be hell for leather or we are wasting our time regardless

 

[Finchyid]

Hearing that Conte loves it here is probably the best thing I have heard during all the recent rumblings.

Didn’t he say he loves it here tho?

I am still struggling with a draw at Brentford being a poor result!

 

[Finchyid]

What’s the point in him staying if we don’t back him? I’d rather it be hell for leather or we are wasting our time regardless

People need to define backing him! It seems that people think just spend £300m but that’s not necessarily the way either. You would hope coach and DoF have had a conversation about what he needs wants

 

[Flobadob]

People need to define backing him! It seems that people think just spend £300m but that’s not necessarily the way either. You would hope coach and DoF have had a conversation about what he needs wants

I think a CB and RWB that in theory go straight into our starting 11 is what I’d define as backing him. That’s just my opinion and others may think differently but it’s clearly required so we should do our best to give him what he needs. If you want a figure put out there then that would probably cost anywhere between 60-80 million if we’re going after Porro/Dumfries types for RWB and Skriniar/Torres types for CB. That’s not a fortune in todays game but it’s what we’d need to spend to get players of the required quality unless we manage to find a gem from somewhere

 

[Clockspur]

I think a CB and RWB that in theory go straight into our starting 11 is what I’d define as backing him. That’s just my opinion and others may think differently but it’s clearly required so we should do our best to give him what he needs. If you want a figure put out there then that would probably cost anywhere between 60-80 million if we’re going after Porro/Dumfries types for RWB and Skriniar/Torres types for CB. That’s not a fortune in todays game but it’s what we’d need to spend to get players of the required quality unless we manage to find a gem from somewhere

I think backing him means sorting out the defence with who he wants and resolving Kanes future

 

[freeeki]

All I can say to stay safe. Club under heavy pressure to back Conté. They know the fans will turn on them, especially if up the road win league, and we out of CL. Panic has certainly increased as they know the outcome if they don’t back him. Don’t rule anything out right now. You could see a shock backing, but not in large figures. Players Trix and H88 have hinted at certainty will be quality. And they are deals we could do. It is in the club’s hands now. The pressure is on. And Conté loves it here, and wants to commit on long contract. But he wants certain things to manifest, and not just mouth talk.

Bizarre set of circumstances that Arsenal being top of the league may actually play in our favour, in terms of forcing Levy’s hand into backing the manager.

Failing to do so while losing top 4 would be a calamity. If that resulted in Conte and Kane leaving, the backlash would be off the scale.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

People need to post links to info when they post anything. Links from the source, and only credible links as per the advice given as to how this thread rolls.

If you don't know who is credible, send a PM to @THFCSPURS19 and ask, as he is the SC appointed god of sources.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

Yep paratici needs to earn his bread and move players which he struggles to do. I think we will get what’s required to help us push on. Conte also needs to find consistency with the group that’s what he’s paid for

The Paratici needing to sell players part worries me, this was his one major blind spot at Juventus and really struggled to do.
I hope this doesn’t mean we’re working on a sell before we buy basis.

 

[Cochise]

The Paratici needing to seek players part worries me, this one his one major blind spot at Juventus and really struggled to do.
I hope this doesn’t mean we’re working on a sell before we buy basis.

I imagine we are. We've been struggling to shift players for a long time because some of them are tied to long term contracts, earning money they will never get elsewhere. It's why at best we have only been able to loan a lot of those we want rid of.

 

[jackson]

The Paratici needing to sell players part worries me, this was his one major blind spot at Juventus and really struggled to do.
I hope this doesn’t mean we’re working on a sell before we buy basis.

I'm not sure what he's meant to do to 'sell players' though? Sure I guess interested can be generated one way or another, but then we've got to be willing to accept lower valuations and take some losses in contributing to the inflated contacts they're sitting on for these players.

Is he refusing to budge on valuations? Are they players he's recruited and/or handed big contracts?

If the mess is not yours and the parameters you can negotiate within are unrealistic, and not set/controlled by you, then you've got a thankless task.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I imagine we are. We've been struggling to shift players for a long time because some of them are tied to long term contracts, earning money they will never get elsewhere. It's why at best we have only been able to loan a lot of those we want rid of.

Has anybody got the intel on what the level of dead wood is in the other top eight clubs. Is it purely a Spurs problem? If not Levy is using this as a smokescreen!

 

[KirstyG]

I imagine we are. We've been struggling to shift players for a long time because some of them are tied to long term contracts, earning money they will never get elsewhere. It's why at best we have only been able to loan a lot of those we want rid of.

Exactly this. It’s easy to shift players ppl want on wages they are prepared to pay. The player themselves have to be motivated to move too. The fact we have so many players that some of these factors don’t apply to makes everything worse!

 

[mil1lion]

It's hard to shift players not playing so we need to loan them. I guess the only loan that seems to be working at the moment is Ndombele. Not sure any others are doing enough for a sale. I'd like to think we are willing to loan rather than sell and think about the long term sale. It's better to loan now and increase a players value than sell on the cheap now I would imagine.

 

[freeeki]

It's hard to shift players not playing so we need to loan them. I guess the only loan that seems to be working at the moment is Ndombele. Not sure any others are doing enough for a sale. I'd like to think we are willing to loan rather than sell and think about the long term sale. It's better to loan now and increase a players value than sell on the cheap now I would imagine.

Ndombele and Lo Celso are both getting on pretty well; GLC had a starting place nailed down and would have made the Argentina World Cup squad were it not for injury.

Harry Winks, on the other hand, hasn't yet made his Sampdoria debut, and Joe Rodon looks like having his Rennes loan terminated.

Reguilon is a trickier case - he had groin surgery in the summer which ruled him out for three months, and was then hospitalised with a digestive illness in mid-November just before the World Cup break. As it stands he's only made one appearance for Atleti.

Alfie Whiteman is almost certainly sellable, if that's what the club decides to do, albeit for a low fee.

On that basis you'd say it's only Ndombele and Lo Celso we're likely to find quick solutions for, however, they are the two big earners and the two who will command the highest fees.

Therefore the Paratici needing to sell players thing may not be as disastrous as it first sounds.