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Hoodle...hahaHoodle obviously !!
Hoodle...hahaHoodle obviously !!
Guardiola coached Barcelona B to promotion in his first season in charge, he was very much a shining light in his early foray into coaching a football team.
Sherwood has been our Technical Co-ordinator and Head of Football Development, he has not coached a team. Perhaps you believe he coached our youth teams or something, he didn't - that was Chris Ramsey. He has no managerial experience, and certifiably less than Guardiola did when he was given the Barcelona job. Sherwood doesn't even have his full coaching badges, in case you didn't know that.
I understand that you're being defensive of Tim because you believe he should be given a chance, I'm not against that. But saying that our situation with Sherwood and the Barcelona situation with Guardiola are remotely comparable is like saying they were both equally good midfielders.
You are aware that the season Pep took over the B team that it was their first season in Tercera since the early 70's and what he won simply got them promoted back to the Segunda B league which is one down on the Segunda and two down on La Primera. That's not taking anything away from Pep as a coach and what he achieved later, but lets have a bit of perspective actually coaching Tercera for a year is hardly any significant prelim into management. He wasn't so much a shining light in coaching when he returned to Barca as an old respected, one who wanted to learn from his coaches and when he applied himself the club respected his attitude, thinking and application, but on his initial arrival he was just a one time quality player returning to an opportunity in a junior coaching role
As for Tim, yes I'm aware that he hasn't passed all his coaching badges but I'm also aware that Harry took him back in a coaching role and he has been at the club in coaching and overseeing capacities for around 5 years which compares pretty favourably to Pep's one season coaching the B team in Tercera
I really hope we get a more proven and experienced coach than Sherwood, so I'm not really arguing his case and I'm certainly not trying to detract from what Pep achieved, Barca are my local team and second only in my footballing affections to Spurs. I'm just pointing out that Guardiola was no more experienced to take over Barca than Sherwood is to take over Spurs. Guardiola proved a great choice and a natural and Tim could easily prove a schmuck, but experience wise if anything Sherwood at this stage has more experience than Pep did then. Pep certainly earned his admirers at Barca in his initial season even if he maybe wasn't the automatic first choice to take over the first team, but from all we hear Sherwood has his admirers at Spurs. I don't think we should necessarilly simply dismiss him as an option and particularly if we don't feel the current obtainable options are what we really want then I'll be happy for him to get a run in charge and see what summer brings
Or AVB?Yep, Barca are my next in line too. We're down to opinions, my opinion is that Tim's experience is nowhere near Pep's at the same point in their careers because under Harry he was nowhere near the first team and doesn't have all his badges. Whereas Pep actually managed a team, albeit in very favourable circumstances.
I think managing a team to success represents more experience than being a fringe coach of our youth set up. We're clearly never going to agree so I'll stop clogging up the thread. I didn't really intend to get into this depth of debate but it's been interesting to think about.
But one last question to ponder in the comparison: if you're Christian Eriksen and Pep Guardiola gives you a piece of advice would you listen? I think the answer is yes. Now imagine it's Tim Sherwood giving you that advice, suddenly I'm not so convinced.
I think Hyypiä started doing his pro license last season but was the head coach forYea, no chance that happens, UEFA would see right through the ruse and surely you can't have a non-coach doing blatant coaching tasks like giving orders and by association dressing room talks and tactical assignments. Or would you have Ramsey do all that?
If Sherwood gives Eriksen the freedom to play and we pick up a few wins over Xmas you still think they won't listen to his advice?Yep, Barca are my next in line too. We're down to opinions, my opinion is that Tim's experience is nowhere near Pep's at the same point in their careers because under Harry he was nowhere near the first team and doesn't have all his badges. Whereas Pep actually managed a team, albeit in very favourable circumstances.
I think managing a team to success represents more experience than being a fringe coach of our youth set up. We're clearly never going to agree so I'll stop clogging up the thread. I didn't really intend to get into this depth of debate but it's been interesting to think about.
But one last question to ponder in the comparison: if you're Christian Eriksen and Pep Guardiola gives you a piece of advice would you listen? I think the answer is yes. Now imagine it's Tim Sherwood giving you that advice, suddenly I'm not so convinced.
If Sherwood gives Eriksen the freedom to play and we pick up a few wins over Xmas you still think they won't listen to his advice?
Or AVB?
Yep, Barca are my next in line too. We're down to opinions, my opinion is that Tim's experience is nowhere near Pep's at the same point in their careers because under Harry he was nowhere near the first team and doesn't have all his badges. Whereas Pep actually managed a team, albeit in very favourable circumstances.
I think managing a team to success represents more experience than being a fringe coach of our youth set up. We're clearly never going to agree so I'll stop clogging up the thread. I didn't really intend to get into this depth of debate but it's been interesting to think about.
But one last question to ponder in the comparison: if you're Christian Eriksen and Pep Guardiola gives you a piece of advice would you listen? I think the answer is yes. Now imagine it's Tim Sherwood giving you that advice, suddenly I'm not so convinced.
SMath................honest.........but done without the use of a calculator.
Honestly this whole debate is driving me to drink. Reading this is so absurd, I cant take it anymore. I hate everything.Why the fuck is everybody talking about the relative merits of Sherwood vs Pep Guardiola?
What the fuck has it got to do with ITK?
EDIT: please don't answer that. I couldn't bear it if somebody tried to explain the absurd.
You might want to tone the language down a bit.Why the fuck is everybody talking about the relative merits of Sherwood vs Pep Guardiola?
What the fuck has it got to do with ITK?
EDIT: please don't answer that. I couldn't bear it if somebody tried to explain the absurd.
There is a bit to pull apart from Ali Z's stuff though:
'AVB - the result gave the chairman the opportunity he was waiting for and maybe AVB too , he never even negotiated his exit just accepted what was on offer.'
Perfect storm: Andre wanted out, Levy had hit the wall. Still think Andre quit.
'AVB approved every single purchase in the summer, although some were Baldini recommendations.'
Obviously he wanted Hulk et al, but would have been informed of other targets & signings. Standard practice.
'The club always intended to ease Lamela in and knew he would take time to settle.'
Has been the case
'As has been said before AVB wanted Hulk and Villa in the summer we failed him on this, never even tried with Hulk and when in pole position with Villa waited and negotiated until Athletico stole him, Levy at his best penny pinching.'
Villa was happy to stay in Spain for a progressive team. Some ITK said we were never even close.
'Sherwood wants the job on his terms, including deciding transfers and removal of Baldini, one will go at the end of this.'
Maybe. Hardly think that Tim has enough clout to make big demands. Sherwood seems slightly surprisingly out of the loop. Listen to his interviews and he's quite candid but does not appear as shrewd as you'd think. I hardly think calling out Levy is gonna be a successful strategy.
'Currently we have 3 short term possibilities, all have issues for one reason or another.'
Makes sense, as the good appointments are doing other things. Also kinda suggests Sherwood isn't likely. Sadly most of the firefighters are busy too. Would be surprised, nay astounded, if Levy caved in and just gave Sherwood carte blanche.
'Board are in a mess, nobody lined up, loads of names thrown about by Agents, not sure where to jump.'
Of course there's nobody if this wasn't planned or Andre quit!
'What is clear is we have no long term philosophy or plan'
We did have a plan, but he just hightailed it out of town.
We do have a long term philosophy, it's just difficult to meld it to a disappearing coach.
We have a training centre, plans for a stadium, a good youth set-up, a chairman who is committed to the club, REALLY! It's just, again, our future successes are vitally linked to making the right appointment. And that is something that might not come about quickly. All the while we need to somehow endeavour to finish 4th.
I don't envy Levy, it's a right palaver.
...and I was dismissing Quite anti-Levy from Ali Z too.As I was saying…..
...and I was dismissing Quite anti-Levy from Ali Z too.
Still think that control freak Levy isn't gonna be held ransom by the demands of Sherwood.
But it really is difficult to assess what's going on when Sherwood is out front coming across as a far from shrewd operator, Baldini is AWOL and Levy ain't saying nuttin'.
I retain the hope that Levy can refloat the Tottenham Titanic, but it's getting quite cold down here on the seabed.
Aye, but Redknapp was coming in with at least some credentials and bargaining power. And Levy needed him.He sacked Comolli because Redknapp dictated he wouldn't work with a DOF.