The Daily ITK and Transfer Discussion Thread - 12th August

[Trix]

I also remember in Levy’s PR vid he did during the manager search he was asked about Kane and he said that Fabio is the one who will decide which players come and go. Clearly he’s gone back on that.

He's not saying he can't go. I knew when I posted that post it wouldn't be long before someone decided it was a great opportunity to have a go at DL.
The blame Levy for everything brigade haven't had much ammunition over the last couple of months have they, so how can they twist this to suit......

 

[sausage]

I also remember in Levy’s PR vid he did during the manager search he was asked about Kane and he said that Fabio is the one who will decide which players come and go. Clearly he’s gone back on that.

ITK (can't remember which ones) have maintained from the start that Kane is an exception.

Can't seriously expect that caveat on the video, though. That'd be moronic to state.

 

[easley91]

I think it's right Levy has control over the Kane situation. He knows what his value is, and he won't back down from it. People would moan if he sold for less.

 

[Trix]

I think it's right Levy has control over the Kane situation. He knows what his value is, and he won't back down from it. People would moan if he sold for less.

Indeed, would have 100% been Levy's fault if we took the early offer.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

From what I've just heard FP and Hitchen have been keen to sell from the off. It's Levy and only Levy that has taken the stance we have and he's still not moving until his terms are met.

Fab feels there will never be a better opportunity to spend the cash this free's up. Sell him for next year for £100mil(for example) and we will get a fraction of the value we will get this Summer. We are all already completely aware of how switched on he is regarding clubs financial positions and players contracts especially in Italy, and he feels the timing on all this is perfect.

Despite all this being spelled out to him, Levy is still the ultimate stubborn toddler refusing to move unless he gets his own way. Like I said its principles that are at stake here, and he won't be bent over.

Thanks for sharing Trix, this is disappointing from Levy and sums up why he needed to move away from the football decisions as its cases like this where we need to do what is best for the football side of the club, obviously still taking into account a fair price and keeping financially sustainable but as FP and Hitchen think, the player wants to go and we won't get a better opportunity than now to sell at max price and to re-invest that whilst the European clubs are struggling financially.

However it also depends on what price Levy is being stubborn towards, the info we have right now is that City offered £100m which is obviously far too low so if Levy is holding out for say £200m straight cash and will not budge at all then that will work out badly for us. If he's just playing poker and trying to squeeze City for as much as they can give but will ultimately sell at a good price like for example when we sold Bale to Madrid then great and I take it all back.

Its a game of poker right now but hopefully with the pressure and football insights from FP & SH as well as Kane kicking up a fuss, if City come back with a reasonable next offer then lets hope we can meet at a middle ground soon and all move on with our lives.

Real shame its come to this with Kane but it is what it is and lets make the best decision for the overall benefit of the football club.

COYS.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Indeed, would have 100% been Levy's fault if we took the early offer.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is one of those situations where Levy's stubbornness, up to a point, will actually benefit the club.

If he had taken the original offer he'd have been lambasted anyway. We need to get maximum value out of this sale, just like any other club selling their talisman would.

 

[tottenhamlad]

'Always' suggests habit or regularity. When did it last happen?

The below have all followed the same pattern. We are not selling, no matter what. We get the ITK, the media, this massive stubborn stance. He is our player blah blah.

Berbatov to United. Left 1st September 2008
Modric to Madrid. Left 27th August 2012
Bale to Madrid. Left 1st September 2013

We are now on Harry Kane to Man City and we are on the 12th August.

The folding sounds are starting.

 

[dirtyh]

you get the feeling that it's quiet because FP is waiting for the kane stuff to come to a head and all of the transfers hanging on the outcome (one way or another) will be triggered accordingly as they've already been agreed. hence once a decision is made, i'm expecting an absolutely mental 24-48hrs.

 

[YB123]

It is weirdly quiet on the transfer front. The way it should be behind the scenes.

 

[dagraham]

From what I've just heard FP and Hitchen have been keen to sell from the off. It's Levy and only Levy that has taken the stance we have and he's still not moving until his terms are met.

Fab feels there will never be a better opportunity to spend the cash this free's up. Sell him for next year for £100mil(for example) and we will get a fraction of the value we will get this Summer. We are all already completely aware of how switched on he is regarding clubs financial positions and players contracts especially in Italy, and he feels the timing on all this is perfect.

Despite all this being spelled out to him, Levy is still the ultimate stubborn toddler refusing to move unless he gets his own way. Like I said its principles that are at stake here, and he won't be bent over.

This worries me and gives me vibes of a very late transfer, which may end up getting us more money for him, but not enough time to spend it.

 

[worcestersauce]

Sounds like Fabio's take is that any extra we hold out for on Kane this year will be eaten up by higher prices for the players we want if he stays and we have to wait until next year and may not be able to get them as Kane's value will fall anyway. I've been so so all along but I'm hardening on selling him now, maybe it's time to take control of the situation and own our future.

 

[Gollorius]

So when we try to low ball clubs for their players, Levy gets pelters. When other clubs try to low ball us for our best player, Levy gets pelters. Make it make sense please

 

[sausage]

The below have all followed the same pattern. We are not selling, no matter what. We get the ITK, the media, this massive stubborn stance. He is our player blah blah.

Berbatov to United. Left 1st September 2008
Modric to Madrid. Left 27th August 2012
Bale to Madrid. Left 1st September 2013

We are now on Harry Kane to Man City and we are on the 12th August.

The folding sounds are starting.

Last one was 8 years ago, for a world record fee. It's very easy to argue we'd agreed that well before it was announced.
Modric stayed for a year later than he was expected to because we'd sooner sell him cheap to Real than for more to a PL team.

I think Berbatov is the only valid example, and it was 13 years ago coming up.


If I farted in the kitchen and my mrs said "you are always doing that" and used an incident 8 years ago as the most recent time, I'd feel a bit like she'd stretched the truth to fit a need to be angry.

 

[Guernman]

I think the fact that both Paratici and Levy are both in this equation is great for the club. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a strategic element of good cop, bad cop going on here as well.

Paratici of course is going to back himself and this is a great market to be given £150 million to spend. But with that mindset, and the players he is excited to buy already lined up, City would smell blood and we would get squeezed. They would know a deal will get done and would be pushing down the price at every turn.

Levy is absolutely right to be stubborn here because City and Kane have taken the piss. His reputation with these situations is also very useful going into these negotiations as we all know he would happily say no to any deal. I suspect City would love to sit down with Paratici alone on this, and they will be seriously rueing the fact that Levy is the gate keeper to the one player they really need.

 

[Trix]

The below have all followed the same pattern. We are not selling, no matter what. We get the ITK, the media, this massive stubborn stance. He is our player blah blah.

Berbatov to United. Left 1st September 2008
Modric to Madrid. Left 27th August 2012
Bale to Madrid. Left 1st September 2013

We are now on Harry Kane to Man City and we are on the 12th August.

The folding sounds are starting.

You forgetting he refused point blank to sell Modric to Chelsea the season before he left for Madrid. He was also adamant not to sell Berbatov but Ramos pleaded with him to let him go because he was concerned it would affect the rest of the squad if he stayed. That's why it happened so late... He backed the manager and has regretted it ever since. 99.9% of players move on when they are unhappy.

 

[JonnySpurs]

Really glad that consensus on here is that it's the right move to sell Kane this summer, as long as we get a reasonable fee of course.

I just think it's the right time to move on and that is true of not just Kane. A lot of players have been here too long and need to find a new challenge. Some have gone already and some are still to go and Kane is included in that. We need fresh faces to join the crop of players that have only been here a year or 2 as they're not hung up on the Poch era, which whilst wonderful, is still hanging over the club.

Spurs need to wash themselves clean of the hangover from that CL final loss and Poch's very sad departure, Sonny being the exception as he's just a wonderful ray of positive energy and is already over it. The Jose period didn't do what it needed. He was the rebound. The relationship you get into off the back of a bad break-up that looks good on paper but you know it's not right. Ultimately that hangover has persisted because of the players that were still here, IMO. Carrying that negative energy, that hard-done-by feeling.

We need a fresh start and the last major move in that is to sell Harry Kane for a whacking great fee and let Fabio go on a spending spree.

 

[cider spurs]

Whilst we were all aware of the desperate need of new signings, and the lack of a decent defence.

I for one couldn't have envisaged us getting the amount of players in that ITK has suggested in this one window.

Maybe another 4-5, incredible stuff, if we pull this off, the old optimistic gauge might just start creeping back up.

As always, many thanks to the ITKers, and associated for passing on these snippets.

 

[Nebby]

I also remember in Levy’s PR vid he did during the manager search he was asked about Kane and he said that Fabio is the one who will decide which players come and go. Clearly he’s gone back on that.

Levy hasn't gone back on anything. He hasn't overruled Fabio and said Kane can't go, has he?

 

[Dakes]

From what I've just heard FP and Hitchen have been keen to sell from the off. It's Levy and only Levy that has taken the stance we have and he's still not moving until his terms are met.

Fab feels there will never be a better opportunity to spend the cash this free's up. Sell him for next year for £100mil(for example) and we will get a fraction of the value we will get this Summer. We are all already completely aware of how switched on he is regarding clubs financial positions and players contracts especially in Italy, and he feels the timing on all this is perfect.

Despite all this being spelled out to him, Levy is still the ultimate stubborn toddler refusing to move unless he gets his own way. Like I said its principles that are at stake here, and he won't be bent over.

Tough one, can understand both FP and Levy's stances. Ideally, we get the cash Levy wants this window and FP gets to do his thing this window.

 

[Trix]

Thanks for sharing Trix, this is disappointing from Levy and sums up why he needed to move away from the football decisions as its cases like this where we need to do what is best for the football side of the club, obviously still taking into account a fair price and keeping financially sustainable but as FP and Hitchen think, the player wants to go and we won't get a better opportunity than now to sell at max price and to re-invest that whilst the European clubs are struggling financially.

However it also depends on what price Levy is being stubborn towards, the info we have right now is that City offered £100m which is obviously far too low so if Levy is holding out for say £200m straight cash and will not budge at all then that will work out badly for us. If he's just playing poker and trying to squeeze City for as much as they can give but will ultimately sell at a good price like for example when we sold Bale to Madrid then great and I take it all back.

Its a game of poker right now but hopefully with the pressure and football insights from FP & SH as well as Kane kicking up a fuss, if City come back with a reasonable next offer then lets hope we can meet at a middle ground soon and all move on with our lives.

Real shame its come to this with Kane but it is what it is and lets make the best decision for the overall benefit of the football club.

COYS.

You say it's poor form from Levy but if it's the difference of £40mil and we get it, then how disappointing actually is it?