Spurs Youth Thread 22/23

[Westmorlandspur]

See setting these targets of 1 or 2 every 2 or 3 seasons making it at spurs, is doomed to fail

You want to maximise the potential of every youth player and quite simply for a long time, our academy players hasn't been developing their potential.

Its easy to see why, if you don't play a player(any level), he isn't going to improve, if you leave a young person at the most formative stage of their life and career to do the same thing over and over again without opportunity for growth. They will stagnate.

Whether you like him or not Tim Sherwood was great for the academy, as the youth players had a person advocating for them on their behalf and tracking them with coaches who had brought in to a culture. The youth players brought in to this and vice verse.

At our club the coaching situation at one point, was ridiculous, that it felt like there was a new coach every 6 months. How are these coaches supposed to advocate for players they barely know

The reasons why academies run dry isnt because the supply gets worse or the tap runs out. The culture changes, the goals of the clubs and hunger goes. Europe is a great example of this, they are better at getting players open pathways for progression as their clubs are built on this.

Also these lists are poorly thought out, often, all these players on the top 100 are included because they have done well at youth level for a big club not because they are the best amongst their peers.

The other issue rich clubs treat football like an investment, a low risk, high reward asset. They dont care about developing the players on an individual basis or making them the best they can be. They simply use the record label model, provide the training(labels provide label services, fast tracks to radio, influencers and etc.) with the hope one of them will land and stick. If it doesn't move on to the next batch. Sooner or later one will stick and justify the expense.

Was Sherwood good or lucky.. Did he arrive when we had a decent bunch of players coming through. I know he will forever claim credit for Harry Kane becoming a great player. Sometimes you just arrive at the right time. There is a lot of luck with young players.
he is obviously so good that he’s on soccer Saturday and the like.

 

[jpascavitz]

The Nuno preseason. Was playing mainly at right back during those games too and considering he's a centre back he didn't look too bad.

Agreed and I know it's a lower footballing quality country in Estonia, but he has 16 caps for the senior side and has played 90 mins in matches such as against Austria and had a decent game in a 2-1 loss. Hope he can get/stay healthy as he's still pretty young for a CB - only 20.

 

[Spurzinho]

Was Sherwood good or lucky.. Did he arrive when we had a decent bunch of players coming through. I know he will forever claim credit for Harry Kane becoming a great player. Sometimes you just arrive at the right time. There is a lot of luck with young players.
he is obviously so good that he’s on soccer Saturday and the like.

Mostly the latter. He did give some of his U21s team a chance in the first team but he badly bungled the coaching and tactical work, and alienated everyone who was experienced enough to see through his bluster. Never forget that he thought Jan Vertonghen was useless. Tells you a lot.

 

[dovahkiin]

 

[mark87]

Pleeeeeeeease sign, Mikey!!!

 

[sidford]

If we keep him then much as it will hurt me il have to give props to Levy

Hopefully lillywhite or spurzinho will be able to give more details as to Levy's involvement as time goes by. Him and Devine are two of the countries top talents at age group so that's promising

 

[LeBonge79]

How good is this lad? And where does he play?

 

[mark87]

How good is this lad? And where does he play?

He's extremely promising. He's just 15 but has played mainly with the 18s this season and even sometimes with the 21s.

He's right-footed and plays off the left. Reminds me of Grealish when he plays.

 

[Spurzinho]

How good is this lad? And where does he play?

Mikey? Attacking midfield. He's most effective in the channels. Comparisons are always difficult, not least because Mikey is quite small and could go through a growth spurt but I'd say he was Mason Mount-ish.

 

[Spurzinho]

He's extremely promising. He's just 15 but has played mainly with the 18s this season and even sometimes with the 21s.

He's right-footed and plays off the left. Reminds me of Grealish when he plays.

I wouldn't describe him as a wide player and I wouldn't see his future there. I think he's a 10 in the channels.

 

[beats1]

Was Sherwood good or lucky.. Did he arrive when we had a decent bunch of players coming through. I know he will forever claim credit for Harry Kane becoming a great player. Sometimes you just arrive at the right time. There is a lot of luck with young players.
he is obviously so good that he’s on soccer Saturday and the like.

He was good, he wasn't lucky

He wasn't a transformative person that changed the academy and Mcdermott as well as Muniz/Arneson deserve credit for that

However he was good in that specific role.

Too many people have a black or white view on people on here.

Sherwood was transformative in his role heading the academy as he was an experienced player at the highest level, someone who had a bit of weight behind him due to his relationship with Levy and someone who wasn't afraid to put his weight about in the club like put pressure on the club to give these players a chance. He was knocking on harry's door to play people like Kane, Fredericks and Rose. Now I know they didn't become world beaters but it gave something for the players coming through to strive for.

McDermott deserves a lot of credit for maintaining and laying the foundations in place for these players to thrive but he was poor in his role in advocating for the players, securing loans and etc.

Sherwood isnt a genius or anything and if you go back to the time, there is a lot of criticism about sherwood's role from me and others at the time especially his relationship with Swindon and some of the loans he got. But he suited that narrow role perfectly imo with McDermott overlooking everything, Les tracking players(which btw he took really seriously) and Chris being the main coach

 

[leethfc14]

 

[Hercules]

Mikey? Attacking midfield. He's most effective in the channels. Comparisons are always difficult, not least because Mikey is quite small and could go through a growth spurt but I'd say he was Mason Mount-ish.

I understand where you are going, but Mount I can’t agree

 

[mark87]

The fact he's doing media stuff, in the new kit too means he's surely staying.

 

[felmani26]

"Tottenham have had to rip up and change how their academy work with young talent to persuade Mikey Moore"

This gives me massive encouragement that we will actively be making clear pathways for our promising youngsters into eventually the first team and that the academy is not merely an afterthought which has been the case for far too long at this club.

Crucial if we want to not only attract quality young footballers but also to retain them and believe that they have a long term future here.

 

[Trix]

He was good, he wasn't lucky

He wasn't a transformative person that changed the academy and Mcdermott as well as Muniz/Arneson deserve credit for that

However he was good in that specific role.

Too many people have a black or white view on people on here.

Sherwood was transformative in his role heading the academy as he was an experienced player at the highest level, someone who had a bit of weight behind him due to his relationship with Levy and someone who wasn't afraid to put his weight about in the club like put pressure on the club to give these players a chance. He was knocking on harry's door to play people like Kane, Fredericks and Rose. Now I they didn't become world beaters but it gave something for the players coming through to strive for.

McDermott deserves a lot of credit for maintaining and laying the foundations in place for these players to thrive but he was poor in his role in advocating for the players, securing loans and etc.

Sherwood isnt a genius or anything and if you go back to the time, there is a lot of criticism about sherwood's role from me and others at the time especially his relationship with Swindon and some of the loans he got. But he suited that narrow role perfectly imo with McDermott overlooking everything, Les tracking players(which btw he took really seriously) and Chris being the main coach

Chris Ramsey was excellent. We could do far worse than bring him back to head up the academy.

 

[thebenjamin]

I understand where you are going, but Mount I can’t agree

I get the comparison tbh, from the little I've seen. Kind of floaty between the lines type. Creative and on the half turn getting shots off. Better ball carrier than Mount... Maybe a cross between Mount and Grealish? That'd do me!

 

[mark87]

 

[Hercules]

I get the comparison tbh, from the little I've seen. Kind of floaty between the lines type. Creative and on the half turn getting shots off. Better ball carrier than Mount... Maybe a cross between Mount and Grealish? That'd do me!

Your closing comments I agree

 

[SonicSarr]

I get the comparison tbh, from the little I've seen. Kind of floaty between the lines type. Creative and on the half turn getting shots off. Better ball carrier than Mount... Maybe a cross between Mount and Grealish? That'd do me!

Dare I say he seems to have a little bit of Gazza too. Just a (un)natural low centre of gravity way of moving with the ball.