Spurs Youth Thread 22/23

[EQP]

Seeing Chelsea signing Chukwuemeka only further disappoints me in our own recruitment of young English talent this summer. They have signed some top English talent with him and the lads from Arsenal/Southampton/Brighton. Why are we not investing in youth English talent? I thought this was one of Paraticis big strengths (young talent).

Still hoping for Ronnie Edwards and Alex Scott but doubtful we will move for them.

Seems like this is also a concern that Paratici shares as he's already brought in Gretar Steinsson, Simon Davies and Andy Scoulding to revamp the scouting, development and performance side of things at the club.

 

[Shanks]

and most of the boys are kept away from school and FA group ages for all manner of reasons - I am not sure them not playing competitive football makes a lot of difference in my view at that age but as a parent you would know better -

I though would like to see the U21s play somewhere in the pyramid which will never happen or go back to the idea of feeder clubs I think that would be more productive than the current set up

I’ve just settled in to trust the process truth be told, he is coached by professionals I’m just a dad who played non-league football, so never really experienced much, I just saw that his friends were playing a lot of competitive football through the years (grassroots) on both Saturdays and Sunday’s, where as my lad has been limited to often half a game a week, but a hell of a lot more training.

it’s now either u18 or u23, otherwise he doesn’t play that much, so I do tend to think an u21 league would benefit, but that means more funding etc, so would again be limited unless the FA assisted.

I think judging by the success of the England teams, FA are satisfied the roadmap they are is working though

 

[Phil_2.0]

I retorted to an earlier tweet to a well followed Arsenal account who now works for The Althletic who had described the transfer when it happened as ‘Shades of Sol Campbell’.

The transfer window does not shut until September and free agents can be registered any time thereafter. I still think he will get a club in League 1 or 2.

You were using a young person losing their job as a way to score points on a journalist for an article he posted a year ago.

You also seem to be stunned by a high-scoring defeat in a youth game and extrapolating a ridiculous take based on one result which is bizarre for someone who seemingly follows u18 football. Every week there's crazy scorelines across the land, 7-2's, 4-4s.

It's not difficult to understand why this happens, young people not being mentally robust enough yet to stop a spiral, poor goalkeepers and mismatched squads.

I am flagging up that there seems a lack of general empathy for the young people involved from you, nobody truly close to youth teams would worry or criticize the players by saying 'unacceptable defending' about a single game, and the coaches wouldn't even dare use anything close to those words about performance. Or using Dinzeyi on the day of what could be his release from Pro Football entirely to score petty points. When you are around the youth teams you understand they are just kids, that's all these boys are. They are up and down, they have pressure from families, they don't have pressure from families. The bounce back quickly and some take longer. 95% of them will struggle to make a career in the game and will be discarded by football clubs ruthlessly

8-0's can happen, is it ideal? no, does it matter? no, is Spurs Academy in a state of transition? yes, will Spurs u18's score 5 vs a good team this season? yes.

 

[Lilywhite Rose]

You were using a young person losing their job as a way to score points on a journalist for an article he posted a year ago.

You also seem to be stunned by a high-scoring defeat in a youth game and extrapolating a ridiculous take based on one result which is bizarre for someone who seemingly follows u18 football. Every week there's crazy scorelines across the land, 7-2's, 4-4s.

It's not difficult to understand why this happens, young people not being mentally robust enough yet to stop a spiral, poor goalkeepers and mismatched squads.

I am flagging up that there seems a lack of general empathy for the young people involved from you, nobody truly close to youth teams would worry or criticize the players by saying 'unacceptable defending' about a single game, and the coaches wouldn't even dare use anything close to those words about performance. Or using Dinzeyi on the day of what could be his release from Pro Football entirely to score petty points. When you are around the youth teams you understand they are just kids, that's all these boys are. They are up and down, they have pressure from families, they don't have pressure from families. The bounce back quickly and some take longer. 95% of them will struggle to make a career in the game and will be discarded by football clubs ruthlessly

8-0's can happen, is it ideal? no, does it matter? no, is Spurs Academy in a state of transition? yes, will Spurs u18's score 5 vs a good team this season? yes.

I was stunned by a 0-8 home defeat to West Ham when we are starting 9 second years and a player on a three year pro deal who has played for our first team in a friendly this summer. We have taken a few heavy defeats over the years to Chelsea, City etc but 0-8 at Hotspur Way to West Ham in the final friendly before the season starts with the majority of the team featuring for me is concerning enough to share and discuss in a Tottenham Youth thread. I did not post the result or youtube clip on twitter.

In regards to your comment against me as an individual, I have personally received some very kind messages from some of our academy players when they have moved on from the club over the years thanking me for my support towards them most recently from Markanday, Cirkin and Thorpe. I will be guided by their comments rather than yours.

 

[Phil_2.0]

I was stunned by a 0-8 home defeat to West Ham when we are starting 9 second years and a player on a three year pro deal who has played for our first team in a friendly this summer. We have taken a few heavy defeats over the years to Chelsea, City etc but 0-8 at Hotspur Way to West Ham in the final friendly before the season starts with the majority of the team featuring for me is concerning enough to share and discuss in a Tottenham Youth thread. I did not post the result or youtube clip on twitter.

In regards to your comment against me as an individual, I have personally received some very kind messages from some of our academy players when they have moved on from the club over the years thanking me for my support towards them most recently from Markanday, Cirkin and Thorpe. I will be guided by their comments rather than yours.

Well I hardly find it surprising that players you've been positive about have been positive to you.

You think Dinyezi would have appreciated being used the day he lost his job as a way to score a cheap shot on a journalist?

Not sure why you are stunned by any youth team getting beat heavily. Already explained how this happens. Also your bizarre belief that Dinyezi would easily get a English tier 3 or 4 club shows a lack of understanding of the globality of where these youngsters fit in the footballing world. Firstly on not grasping how Spurs losing by 8 means little in the wider picture and secondly on how fast a player like Dinyezi can fall.

 

[Locotoro]

Not strictly Spurs related but my cousin (who's more like a nephew given the age difference) has recently signed a pro contract for Wigan Athletic so I'm very proud and excited for him.

Spurs link is that I believe he had trials at Spurs last year but it didn't go further.

 

[Lilywhite Rose]

Spurs U15s for the 22/23 season coached by former academy player Sam Cox and Yaya Toure. This is the group that Ramell Carter is a part of.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I’ve just settled in to trust the process truth be told, he is coached by professionals I’m just a dad who played non-league football, so never really experienced much, I just saw that his friends were playing a lot of competitive football through the years (grassroots) on both Saturdays and Sunday’s, where as my lad has been limited to often half a game a week, but a hell of a lot more training.

it’s now either u18 or u23, otherwise he doesn’t play that much, so I do tend to think an u21 league would benefit, but that means more funding etc, so would again be limited unless the FA assisted.

I think judging by the success of the England teams, FA are satisfied the roadmap they are is working though

really interesting I know once the boys are with a senior club the clubs don't want them tainted by playing at lower grades which I think is a little strange -

the point about the FA and their success is a good one (I don't have a very high opinion of the FA overall though they might have change a bit) certainly works for the elite boys up to a point but there is still a disconnect between boys playing age group football and the breakthrough into senior mens football which gets ever harder . Obviously we look for a utopia model but I do feel that the u21's becomes self defeating sometimes unless boys make rapid progress, possibly there is not really an answer that satisfies everybody but I would like to see u21s playing somewhere in the pyramid which probably cant happen

 

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Spurs U15s for the 22/23 season coached by former academy player Sam Cox and Yaya Toure. This is the group that Ramell Carter is a part of.

Paul Scoles’ boy 3rd from left back row

 

[PT]

There looks like there’s an impasse for youth coming through the Academy at Spurs lately.
Tottenham sold Juan Foyth to Villareal via a season loan culminating with a pretty low ball option to purchase, which got taken up.
Walker Peters didn’t get an adult apprenticeship on loan while at Spurs yet made a decent impression when fleetingly appearing for the 1st team. Then, bizarrely was made a make weight in bringing Hojbjerg to Spurs. Since then, the 1st team has had problems with the RWB position, having had to replace KWP with Spence for upwards of 20m all in.
We are haemorrhageing youth kids to clubs that are prepared to show they have a path to the first team and Kion Etete is the latest senior youth player, at 20 years old and having shone brightly on loan. He does not see a route in to the first team and, with a year left on his contract, he needs game time. Cardiff is his choice and he is off.
This haemorrhaging needs addressing and I hope the recent acquisitions by Paratici to the staff will plug the leaks and ensure that the Academy system is healthy and offers a genuine path to the 1st team.

 

[Phil_2.0]

There looks like there’s an impasse for youth coming through the Academy at Spurs lately.
Tottenham sold Juan Foyth to Villareal via a season loan culminating with a pretty low ball option to purchase, which got taken up.
Walker Peters didn’t get an adult apprenticeship on loan while at Spurs yet made a decent impression when fleetingly appearing for the 1st team. Then, bizarrely was made a make weight in bringing Hojbjerg to Spurs. Since then, the 1st team has had problems with the RWB position, having had to replace KWP with Spence for upwards of 20m all in.
We are haemorrhageing youth kids to clubs that are prepared to show they have a path to the first team and Kion Etete is the latest senior youth player, at 20 years old and having shone brightly on loan. He does not see a route in to the first team and, with a year left on his contract, he needs game time. Cardiff is his choice and he is off.
This haemorrhaging needs addressing and I hope the recent acquisitions by Paratici to the staff will plug the leaks and ensure that the Academy system is healthy and offers a genuine path to the 1st team.

As we transition to becoming a Super Club over the next 10 years where our revenues will match the likes of Manchester United we will have less and less need for a youth team for the first team. Chelsea invested in their youth team partially as a way to make up for their shortfall in the ability to match revenue with expenditure by securing young players and selling them for profit, they became a player factor, and even still they were operating at a massive loss. Manchester City invests in young players as a part of their global strategy to influence politics through soccer and the need to feed the City Group of players.

Revenues are going to go through the roof over the next 5 years, rights fees will go up, a pending super league or CL qualification becoming easier, sponsorship attached to the World leading Stadium and the growing Media/Tech side of the business. We will get to a point where one of the only points of the Youth team will be to try to find a Foden or Alexander-Arnold. Players so special they would walk into any first team in the world. There will be and already is no need to have your 18th squad member filled by a youth player like the old days because you can afford to have a £20m experienced international sit there.

KWP is overrated, smart player but it would have been tough for him to stay, he'd be getting the Winks treatment if he'd hung around longer. The model for Spurs in the future is, to create an environment that delivers one generational talent every 5-10 years, loan out players when they hit 18 and sell them to lower teams to help supplement transfer revenue. Scarlett and Parrott are good prospects but there is a high likelihood they don't play for Spurs and are sold for 10m, that's still a success.

A Top 6 EPL team's need for a youth team is decreasing by the year. We can afford a £30m player in every position. Interesting that Paratici runs the football at our club coming from Juventus and they produced 1 true youth player in 10 years for their first team in Marchisio. We are a different club to Juventus but we are buying hot European talent, Gil, Udogie, Sarr, Spence and that will be the pool of players we choose our young players from now, not the u18's, unless there is a TAA or Foden down there.

The selling of players to lower clubs with a buyback clause is an interesting wrinkle in the game super clubs are playing, it's early days but we haven't seen a buy-back option executed yet I don't think?

I could see a scenario where the Super Clubs' youth sides are literally just a way to develop and maintain the roots in your local community. Not really as a way to serve the first team with playing talent.

TL;DR - Spurs getting so big, a top 8 club in the world, the youth team will be less and less relevant for Super Clubs like Tottenham

 

[littlewilly]

Paul Scoles’ boy 3rd from left back row

I think you could have said "guess which is Paul Scholes' son?" Don't think it would have been too difficult!

 

[SandroClegane]

There looks like there’s an impasse for youth coming through the Academy at Spurs lately.
Tottenham sold Juan Foyth to Villareal via a season loan culminating with a pretty low ball option to purchase, which got taken up.
Walker Peters didn’t get an adult apprenticeship on loan while at Spurs yet made a decent impression when fleetingly appearing for the 1st team. Then, bizarrely was made a make weight in bringing Hojbjerg to Spurs. Since then, the 1st team has had problems with the RWB position, having had to replace KWP with Spence for upwards of 20m all in.
We are haemorrhageing youth kids to clubs that are prepared to show they have a path to the first team and Kion Etete is the latest senior youth player, at 20 years old and having shone brightly on loan. He does not see a route in to the first team and, with a year left on his contract, he needs game time. Cardiff is his choice and he is off.
This haemorrhaging needs addressing and I hope the recent acquisitions by Paratici to the staff will plug the leaks and ensure that the Academy system is healthy and offers a genuine path to the 1st team.

Juan Foyth didn't come through our academy.

KWP has done well at Southampton but isn't good enough to start for Spurs and wouldn't fit our system currently anyways.

Kion Etete is behind Kane, Richarlison, Parrott, and Scarlett. He's also going to a championship side and probably won't be their starter.

You can't keep everyone, but these are weird options to complain about.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Orient owner saying on radio this morning that as a result of the deal allowing our under 21 team to play there, they are able to invest in a hybrid pitch, same as we have.
Think these are about 500k a shot. How good are we.

 

[Lilywhite Rose]

Thimothée Lo-Tutala reported to be in advanced talks to join Wolves. The France U19 goalkeeper had been on trial at Hull City since leaving us at the end of June.

 

[nipponyid]

one for the future....talent young man.

 

[Spurzinho]

one for the future....talent young man.

Don't really know what to say about that. Kids a bit of a beast.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Nothing worse than this sort of crap. Whatever happened to Sonny Pike.
Driving lorries I believe.

 

[spurs9]

I think you could have said "guess which is Paul Scholes' son?" Don't think it would have been too difficult!

Pretty sure he is joking based on how he looks, he isn't actually Schole's son. Schole's has 2 sons, 1 is 19 and recently got done for assault and the other is 16 and has nonverbal autism, which apparently stops him playing sports. Both are too old for U15s.

 

[Delboy75]

Paul Scholes son being in Spurs academy is unbelievably random ?