Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread

[glacierSpurs]

If you actually thought we’d be anywhere near a title challenge after how we finished last year and how we’ve started this year, you’re on crack my friend

My point is I don't wish liverfool to win the league.

 

[hutchiniho]

We've been looking turgid for more than a year because of lot of reasons. Most of the reasons have to do with the players.

We lost Dembele. Alli has been consistently hurt. So has Kane. Eriksen, Verts and Toby have all been in contract disputes. Walker left and was never really replaced. These are big issues.

It's going to take some time to introduce our new players into the squad and get us back to where we've become accustomed to being the past 5 years. There is no magic pixie dust Poch can sprinkle over the players and turn KWP into Walker and Winks into Dembele. As much as everybody wants to pretend they're not they are inferior players compared to the ones we lost.

Not sure this is right. We didn’t have any new players starting today. Sure KWP isn’t Walker, but this is on Poch.
Messi, D Silva and KDB would have struggled to break the lines in this formation.
We know teams will park the bus with 10 so Poch send out a narrow front three, narrow mid3 and expects two fullbacks to deliver all assists.
We make the pitch far far too small to play in and through. No space to pass, no space to turn, beat a man or as Son spent most of the time, try and find a yard to shoot.
Maybe Dembele would help with breaking the lines but we can hardly be that reliant on one man to open the lock of a relegation battle team.

This is all on tactics for me. With a full preseason, our players are players good enough to beat Newcastle at home

 

[SonicSarr]

Wrong line up and wrong tactics. There was no point of Kane, Son or Moura being on the pitch with those tactics. And for the Sissoko fan boys what was he doing on the pitch. He's a unit to play in front of the defence. Right wing fucks sake.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Not sure about Poch out. But 100% agree with the formation.
Everyone stepping on each other’s toes up top in the narrowest formation ever conceived. Leave Kane to do what he does better than anyone else.
If Son and Moura can’t complement from other areas on the pitch they shouldn’t play.
At the moment we’re picking the ‘best’ individual players and just chucking them on to the pitch in their best position.
Not what’s best for the team.

How is it so obvious to everyone else? But Poch doesn’t get it until the 80th minute ?

He's to stubborn that's why. It seems he wont listen to anybody and the more he's told the system is shit the more he continues with it.
I don't have any confidence in his team selection or tactics anymore. Why Vert and Eriksen didn't start is beyond me.
I think there will be a lot more losses like this this season.

 

[poc]

According to the post match analysis it's Harry's fault for anticipating contact from the defender what a pair of ****s.

 

[paulcumpstone]

Can Ben Stokes play football? Never thought I would say watching test cricket is more exciting than watching Spurs

I know what you mean, whilst poch was getting results I can put up with the limp but determined performances and admire the never say die attitude but this season has been like the most antifootball ive ever seen us play, kane probably has touched the ball around 15 times in 3 games, we just don't excite, is nothing to get you off your seat with the way we play currently.

 

[thefierycamel]

We have nothing out wide we have zero creativity through the middle and we.dont press like we used to. It's not like the players don't have the blueprint on how to properly execute.agaimst bus parking teams with Liverpool and City. Your right just not looking good for poch right now.

It's because we play the wrong formations; 4-2-3-1 and 4-1-2-1-2 don't win titles. 4-3-3 absolutely does. The more players you have higher up the pitch, the easier it is to break teams down, especially at the start of matches when they're fresh.

You need: wingers sitting high out on the wings who are willing to make runs in behind the defence (sane, mane, Salah, sterling). Fullbacks making overlapping runs (Robertson, TAA, walker, zinchenko). Midfielders putting balls through to these players early (de Bruyne, Silva, Silva, Gundogan). A competent DM both defensively and offensively (rodri, Fabinho, Fernandinho). Defenders and GKs who are comfortable playing the ball out to the fullbacks first time.

Width, speed of foot, speed of passing, lots of players in and around the box constantly moving, creative intelligence, defensive nous. How much of that is visible in our team and playing style at the moment? Maybe the defenders (not the keeper) being comfortable with playing the ball out...? We're so far off the top two still if you look at the things that they do to break their opposition down.

 

[g_harry]

How was that pen not given. He threw himself infront of harry.

 

[Dansleno1r]

Lescott and Souness quick on Sky to argue that definitely not a penalty (Kane).

Grrr.

 

[theShiznit]

The truth is I don't think this is much different to previous versions of the side, however well we've deemed they have done or good times they've given us, or because of supposed goings on behind the scenes. We've always played like this really, slow passing around the back and shuffled out to the fullbacks, rinse and repeat. Attacking structures and constructing possession through the centre has been lacking and a weakness of the team, in the final third we've always been fairly individualistic and waiting for that moment where combos click and we find a breakthrough.

Now teams are just packing the defence more and more and sitting off us, and certain individuals have lost their spark, it becomes even more highlighted. We desperately need a bit more of a template and clear idea as to how we move the ball through the lines, where players should be on the pitch, how they then interlink with others etc. and put possession together.

Whatever we are doing isn't working, and that's just our use of the ball and not what we're doing when we lose it.... Basically everything about our play and tactical idea needs freshening up.

Yeah we seen to think that a pass between the lines is all it takes but when we do get it there often the man receiving is clueless as to what's around him (opposition or teammates) and loses it or looks up and sees a wall and not much movement.

Our movement seems to be one player at a time not thinking about what might develop but just one player moving to receive then getting it having a few touches, looking up seeing one man moving to receive, getting it, having a few touches, looking up repeat.

Very little in the way of flair, one touch play give and goes. All very slow very deliberate way your facing and lots of touches.

For me it has to be the coaching. What are we doing to counter this style against us. As it's been this way for sometime now ....

Also why do we always look so tired. Are we overtrained? We barely break out of a jog in these games.

 

[walworthyid]

People calling for poch to go are wasting their time none of the top managers will want to come in and work under tight budgets and projects.
Unfortunately some of the so called lesser teams are investing and are catching up, this could be one of those season's when we don't make top six let alone top four.

Really? No top manager would want to come to spurs? Honestly, you believe that?

 

[Monkey boy]

Someone better have the balls to ask Poch why he continues to leave out Jan & Eriksen, fed up of this shit he’s tryna prove by leaving them out

What’s the point, he’ll just get aggressive and give a bullshit non answer. I’ve read that he films players around the training ground when they’re moody and calls them out on it as it effects team morale. Maybe he should film himself as right now he’s doing a pretty solid mourinho impression.

 

[wiggo24]

Ironically, we could have used Llorente in the last 10 mins today just to change it up a bit...

 

[jonnyp]

Corrupt officials aside, why are we seeing NO improvement in our play both defensively and offensively? What the effing feck are we doing in training? This has been going on since January.

There is no excuse, not even today's bewildering lineup explains the poor play.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

People calling for poch to go are wasting their time none of the top managers will want to come in and work under tight budgets and projects.
Unfortunately some of the so called lesser teams are investing and are catching up, this could be one of those season's when we don't make top six let alone top four.

We have a very good starting 11. Weak squad as an entity - yes. But a very good starting 11. That's tempting for instance Mourinho. I'm not saying I desire for Mourinho to take over for Pochettino, but it is foolish to think we wouldn't attract top drawer managers.

 

[werty]

Wrong line up and wrong tactics. There was no point of Kane, Son or Moura being on the pitch with those tactics. And for the Sissoko fan boys what was he doing on the pitch. He's a unit to play in front of the defence. Right wing fucks sake.

Sissoko created our only two good chances today. There were bigger problems out there than him.

 

[SonicSarr]

What is Poch up to? That was so wrong. Even Steve Bruce could have set us up to win that game. Oh ?

 

[TropicalYid]

I will mostly blame pochettino for this.

 

[SE Spurs]

Embarrassing that. Slow , lethargic, no urgency, and no CREATIVITY!

Getting sick of the Eriksen and Jan situation now. If Poch ain't gonna play em', then he shouldn't be picking them in the squad at all. Everyone knew how Newcastle were gonna play today, and with eleven men behind the ball, and Eriksen on the bench watching, that's just insulting. Just watching Winks and Sissoko, go side to side for an hour was laughable.
As for Jan, god knows what's going on there. But I do know he's a better fucking defender than Sanchez. He may not be as quick, and Sanchez may well become a top CB. But Jan at least, does have some awareness of positioning. The goal was quite fucking dreadful.

And just to top it off, KWP gets a hamstring injury, in the position we actually weakened in the summer, not strengthened.

Play like that next week, and the goons are gonna have a stroll.

 

[wiggo24]

Really? No top manager would want to come to spurs? Honestly, you believe that?

Mourinho was at the stadium again today and keeps being incredibly positive about us in the media.

Don't know why, but I have a funny feeling he'd be in with a shout if Pochettino does decide his time is up at some point. Hopefully he won't though, of course.