Match Threads Spurs Vs Aston Villa

[Duke of Northumberland]

Even Emily Failed

I sit next to Stu at Spurs and have done so for about 15 years (since one season he just turned up in the seats next to us).

Stu has two season tickets: one for himself and one for one of his children.

He usually brings his son but 5 or 6 times a season he brings his daughter, Emily.

Now in all these years, Emily has never ever seen Spurs lose, Her record has become a running joke - we complain loudly if Josh turns up for big games.

But today the magic failed and for the first time ever Emily saw Spurs lose.

It's going to be hard for the club to recover from the disappearance of the magic. Drastic steps will be needed, perhaps a new Chairman.

 

[Jamturk]

Emery is a very good manger who out coached Conte today.

 

[the yid]

Emery is a very good manger who out coached Conte today.

My only issue with comments like this is how many of our starting 11 get into Villas team and that's being honest and unbiased I'd so currently on form 2 or 3

 

[jolsnogross]

I dont know why Conte has the side going backwards compared to last season, but nobody will care if he leaves if he can't turn it around. Last season, he had very frustrating games until we finally got into a good rhythm at the right time. By the run in, we were flying. At no point this season have we been similarly good.

We're going to sink down the table like a stone if this continues and we deserve to. And a manager should be doing better with the squad we have.

 

[DarwinSpur]

No we should demand change!

What change exactly? Genuinely interested.

It's just that if Daniel Levy had hired Eddie Howe instead of Antonio Conte the same people would have been up in arms at his lack of ambition etc etc... Yet look what PIF have done with Howe and Newcastle in a similar period. They have spent similar amounts too.

The trajectory of Spurs under Enic since 2006 has been a pretty straight line of improvement both on the field and, dramatically off it with a Stadium and infrastructure that is second to none. This does matter,

But yes trophies matter. SO what is Levy/Enic at fault for here? There's two pretty big moments that I can think of - not buying anyone in the 2017 summer window and hiring Nuno. All the rest of the decisions make perfect sense even if they didn't work out. Those two big moments and perhaps the unwillingness to blow the wage structure when oil slavers (and Real/Barca) changed the market beyond recogniton.

SO what is this "change"? Is it simply a willingness to spend MORE on everything than anyone else? Is that even possible?

I understand the frustration but I don't really see the solution beyond gnashing of teeth and demands for "change".

I would like to see prices dropped but I reckon any new owner will up them rather than drop.

 

[sundanceyid10]

I dont know why Conte has the side going backwards compared to last season, but nobody will care if he leaves if he can't turn it around. Last season, he had very frustrating games until we finally got into a good rhythm at the right time. By the run in, we were flying. At no point this season have we been similarly good.

We're going to sink down the table like a stone if this continues and we deserve to. And a manager should be doing better with the squad we have.

The squad looks pretty bland to me.

 

[jolsnogross]

The squad looks pretty bland to me.

It was even more bland last season and yet we were a dominant front foot side by season's end. We've added quality since then, not become more bland.

 

[sundanceyid10]

It was even more bland last season and yet we were a dominant front foot side by season's end. We've added quality since then, not become more bland.

Sorry but that was last season this season it’s painfully bland.

 

[HodisGawd]

What change exactly? Genuinely interested.

It's just that if Daniel Levy had hired Eddie Howe instead of Antonio Conte the same people would have been up in arms at his lack of ambition etc etc... Yet look what PIF have done with Howe and Newcastle in a similar period. They have spent similar amounts too.

The trajectory of Spurs under Enic since 2006 has been a pretty straight line of improvement both on the field and, dramatically off it with a Stadium and infrastructure that is second to none. This does matter,

But yes trophies matter. SO what is Levy/Enic at fault for here? There's two pretty big moments that I can think of - not buying anyone in the 2017 summer window and hiring Nuno. All the rest of the decisions make perfect sense even if they didn't work out. Those two big moments and perhaps the unwillingness to blow the wage structure when oil slavers (and Real/Barca) changed the market beyond recogniton.

SO what is this "change"? Is it simply a willingness to spend MORE on everything than anyone else? Is that even possible?

I understand the frustration but I don't really see the solution beyond gnashing of teeth and demands for "change".

I would like to see prices dropped but I reckon any new owner will up them rather than drop.

Reality check: everything in this post is true.

The owners exist to create the conditions where managers can bring success. Whether managers are able to do that is another question. The stadium, the training ground and the transfer budgets have all been massively improved. But, unfortunately, they haven't been used well. Yes, there have been mistakes along the way, of course. We have had lots of success in terms of results, the number of games won and league positions have all gone up. Yet we haven't crossed the line to win a trophy yet.

What would a change in ownership bring? I would imagine not a lot. The transfer budget won't be much different. The danger, of course, is that we get owners who are a nightmare or take money out of the club which would be a negative.

I think the role of ENIC in this is overplayed. If you regard the last 20 years as a period of failure (in terms of games of football won it is not, but in terms of trophies, it is) then lay the blame at the door of the people whose job it is get football results - the managers and the players. Bad footballing decisions have been made, for sure, by footballing people. I don't believe ENIC are the people making those decisions and there is no reason to think they are.

 

[FloridaSpur]

If the manager is Antonio Conte then we can be sure it's not the manager.

He talked about process and time needed in his post match prezzer.

If he was serious about that, and it is about those two things, why hasn't he signed a new contract?

 

[FloridaSpur]

'We haven't got any playmakers' I thought the consensus was he didn't want any!

Bissouma is a quality player and one i watched many times when he was at Brighton.

Whatever changed him I don't know but why all of a sudden can't he beat a man, or has he had that part of his game strangled out of him by Conte?

Just seems so strange.

 

[lis spur]

Mates shop broken into ,they took everything!!

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

I dont know why Conte has the side going backwards compared to last season, but nobody will care if he leaves if he can't turn it around. Last season, he had very frustrating games until we finally got into a good rhythm at the right time. By the run in, we were flying. At no point this season have we been similarly good.

We're going to sink down the table like a stone if this continues and we deserve to. And a manager should be doing better with the squad we have.

He makes some good points in the press conference about injuries and only having the league last year, but like you say today’s team shouldn’t be losing 2-0 at home v Villa.

I expected a better coached defence against Brentford since he’s been working with them through the WC too…

 

[whenstevewentup]

I’m sure we can all accept losing football matches but it’s how you lose that determines the mood and aside from Romero (6/10) I don’t think anybody gets above a 4 or 5 and on that basis you’ve got no chance of winning a game . The least we should expect is effort and I didn’t see too much of that particularly after their first goal . We desperately need bentancur and kulu back or I can see a proper slide down the table .

 

[TURKISH69]

What change exactly? Genuinely interested.

It's just that if Daniel Levy had hired Eddie Howe instead of Antonio Conte the same people would have been up in arms at his lack of ambition etc etc... Yet look what PIF have done with Howe and Newcastle in a similar period. They have spent similar amounts too.

The trajectory of Spurs under Enic since 2006 has been a pretty straight line of improvement both on the field and, dramatically off it with a Stadium and infrastructure that is second to none. This does matter,

But yes trophies matter. SO what is Levy/Enic at fault for here? There's two pretty big moments that I can think of - not buying anyone in the 2017 summer window and hiring Nuno. All the rest of the decisions make perfect sense even if they didn't work out. Those two big moments and perhaps the unwillingness to blow the wage structure when oil slavers (and Real/Barca) changed the market beyond recogniton.

SO what is this "change"? Is it simply a willingness to spend MORE on everything than anyone else? Is that even possible?

I understand the frustration but I don't really see the solution beyond gnashing of teeth and demands for "change".

I would like to see prices dropped but I reckon any new owner will up them rather than drop.

Sorry i dont come on here much anymore but to read the absolute dribble you have just posted is the problem within our club!! Wow two decisions cost us OMG!!!

 

[Flobadob]

He makes some good points in the press conference about injuries and only having the league last year, but like you say today’s team shouldn’t be losing 2-0 at home v Villa.

I expected a better coached defence against Brentford since he’s been working with them through the WC too…

I just looked at the Villa side and it has 5 players I’d have rather had in our starting 11 today. Rather have Konsa than Lenglet, rather have Digne than Perisic (as much as I like him still he’s too old) rather have Kamara than Hojbjerg, rather have Mcginn than Doherty, rather have Watkins than Gil. It’s about time people realised the level of some of the players that we have turning out for us right now because of injuries. Almost half of our outfield players today should be playing for bottom half of the table clubs, not Tottenham Hotspur!

 

[TURKISH69]

Reality check: everything in this post is true.

The owners exist to create the conditions where managers can bring success. Whether managers are able to do that is another question. The stadium, the training ground and the transfer budgets have all been massively improved. But, unfortunately, they haven't been used well. Yes, there have been mistakes along the way, of course. We have had lots of success in terms of results, the number of games won and league positions have all gone up. Yet we haven't crossed the line to win a trophy yet.

What would a change in ownership bring? I would imagine not a lot. The transfer budget won't be much different. The danger, of course, is that we get owners who are a nightmare or take money out of the club which would be a negative.

I think the role of ENIC in this is overplayed. If you regard the last 20 years as a period of failure (in terms of games of football won it is not, but in terms of trophies, it is) then lay the blame at the door of the people whose job it is get football results - the managers and the players. Bad footballing decisions have been made, for sure, by footballing people. I don't believe ENIC are the people making those decisions and there is no reason to think they are.

Wow you must be an insider for the football club’n

Reality check: everything in this post is true.

The owners exist to create the conditions where managers can bring success. Whether managers are able to do that is another question. The stadium, the training ground and the transfer budgets have all been massively improved. But, unfortunately, they haven't been used well. Yes, there have been mistakes along the way, of course. We have had lots of success in terms of results, the number of games won and league positions have all gone up. Yet we haven't crossed the line to win a trophy yet.

What would a change in ownership bring? I would imagine not a lot. The transfer budget won't be much different. The danger, of course, is that we get owners who are a nightmare or take money out of the club which would be a negative.

I think the role of ENIC in this is overplayed. If you regard the last 20 years as a period of failure (in terms of games of football won it is not, but in terms of trophies, it is) then lay the blame at the door of the people whose job it is get football results - the managers and the players. Bad footballing decisions have been made, for sure, by footballing people. I don't believe ENIC are the people making those decisions and there is no reason to think they are.

wow you must be an insider for the football club?? Talking absolute horse shit!!! Wow

 

[MiakSarawak]

The problem is this insistence on playing two men in midfield. And doth if those being defensively minded.
At home to an average side you really don’t need 3cbs.
The wing backs are also defenders f
There is zero connection between a defensive 7 and a front 3.

defending on the break the wing backs are not in position so stretch a back three right across. It just doesn’t work.

losing 2-0 and we still have the same shape.
That’s on the manger

Exact1ly this

 

[DarwinSpur]

Sorry i dont come on here much anymore but to read the absolute dribble you have just posted is the problem within our club!! Wow two decisions cost us OMG!!!

Thank you for your informative contribution. You have gone a long way to answering the original question I asked. Well done.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Wow you must be an insider for the football club’n

wow you must be an insider for the football club?? Talking absolute horse shit!!! Wow

Another erudite and incisive contribution to the discussion.