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Sol Campbell runs for Mayor of London

GMI

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I think in the case of gyms there really isn't any large-scale harassment of black people or Tottenham fans. The same can't be said for women unfortunately. You have to realise that as annoying as this kind of thing is to men, and I can see that, there will be far, far more women who feel like they are equally unable to go to their local gym because of sexism. Until we have an equal society there's no reason women should exclusively bear the burden of sexism - I know it's harsh, but maybe if more men saw the impact of it and how frustrating it is to feel excluded because of gender they'd be more willing to help fight against it.
All valid points but, personally, I just don't think the solution is to create a 'women only' response. In this example a gym should be a place where anyone can go, and feel comfortable, irrespective of gender, race etc. That is the 'right' that should be fought for. And society is getting there. Setting up a seperate gym to exclude men does not seem like a pro-active way to fight sexism, or any 'ism'.

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Good Doctor M

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All valid points but, personally, I just don't think the solution is to create a 'women only' response. In this example a gym should be a place where anyone can go, and feel comfortable, irrespective of gender, race etc. That is the 'right' that should be fought for. And society is getting there. Setting up a seperate gym to exclude men does not seem like a pro-active way to fight sexism, or any 'ism'.

Just my onions.

Nail on head. And that is the most important thing, not pandering to some petty, weakly perceived injustice towards men.
 

dagraham

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Surely this is a joke, right? Or maybe the Tories think after Boris they can get anyone elected.

Campbell can't even string a coherent sentence together in public. How the fuck is he going to be mayor? I know Boris is a bumbling idiot, but at least he's got a certain charm.

Imagine if the **** wins though :eek:. Doesn't bear thinking about. I think I'd seriously have to move home.
 

LSUY

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Sol Campbell or Diane Abbott for Mayor of London...is this all part of some plan to make every other city in the UK a bit more desirable to live in?
 

GMI

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Nail on head. And that is the most important thing, not pandering to some petty, weakly perceived injustice towards men.
To be honest I don't feel like its a weakly perceived injuctice towards me. I just don't think, in the long run, that providing 'women only' establishments is the solution to issues around sexism. Its an acknowledgment of clear problems with sexism in that specific environment, but not a solution.
 

Good Doctor M

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To be honest I don't feel like its a weakly perceived injuctice towards me. I just don't think, in the long run, that providing 'women only' establishments is the solution to issues around sexism. Its an acknowledgment of clear problems with sexism in that specific environment, but not a solution.

I don't think it's a solution either mate, but I do think that if sexism and general male dickishness can make gyms feel inaccessable to woman then a woman's only space is the result.

We shouldn't chastise or call out the gyms because they are a result of sexism. We should look at creating an enviornment and society in which a female only gym is unnecessary. Because if it was unnecessary and we lived in a society in which rampant sexism didn't exist, was inexcusable and was called out whenever it raises it's head, then and only then, would a woman's only gym by discrimminatory by nature.

It's not a solution and it doesn't claim to be, it's the result of there has been no solution to date.
 

Drexl

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I would sooner have Jihadi John as mayor than this raving nutcase

Why hasn't he been sectioned yet?
 

Bobby Zero

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Don't like mixing politics with football, but this is one reason I like the Monarchy, warts and all. Can you imagine Mourinho running for President of a new Republic? Actually, theres probably a lot worse than him...

The internet is not good for irony or sarcasm so forgive me if I'm missing something, also I have had a few.
But what the actual fuck.
 

Bobby Zero

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It's a very subtle argument and to make comparisons like you have done ignores these subtlties and can lead to a sullying of the argument around it (not accusing you of that by the way (y)).

Yes, we should tackle discrimmination, but we have to protect the most vunerable first of all. We don't call the fact women and men don't compete head to head in tennis together discrimminatory, because we know it's beneficial for them not to - we don't call discrimmination on it because we accept those differences. A woman's only gym accepts as a premise that woman are vunerable in a gym in a manner in which men generally are not. It accepts this premise and the fact that it's still open and people use it, should indicate that the problem isn't with the gym being discrimminatory, but that the men who are responsible for it's existence in the first place by creating an atmosphere in other gyms where a woman's only gym was not only socially exceptable enough to work, but also, I would imagine thrive as a business; it is they who discrimminated in a harmful way.

A woman's only gym is a defensive measure against sexism, a gym for anyone of a certain colour is racially discrimminatory. That can't be painted any other way.

What he said.
 

Beautiful Yetta

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How the heck does he expect to win?

You don't put an x in a box for Sol Campbell. No-one puts an x in a box for Sol Campbell.
 

JerryGarcia

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If he wins I will start a campaign to have him and everyone who voted for him committed to an asylum.
 

Saoirse

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All valid points but, personally, I just don't think the solution is to create a 'women only' response. In this example a gym should be a place where anyone can go, and feel comfortable, irrespective of gender, race etc. That is the 'right' that should be fought for. And society is getting there. Setting up a seperate gym to exclude men does not seem like a pro-active way to fight sexism, or any 'ism'.

Just my onions.

I do see it as a good stop-gap measure, though. It gives women somewhere they can exercise in comfort in the mean time, and it brings greater awareness to the issue (particularly to men) which increases the chance of people fighting against it. If the local MP gets 10 men going to their surgery bringing up the issue it's more likely to be looked and, and the question asked as to why harassment has got so bad that there's so much demand from women for men not to be there that a gym excluding half the population is a viable business. It's not the solution itself, but it is a stopgap and does help build pressure for one.


Surely this is a joke, right? Or maybe the Tories think after Boris they can get anyone elected.

Campbell can't even string a coherent sentence together in public. How the fuck is he going to be mayor? I know Boris is a bumbling idiot, but at least he's got a certain charm.

Imagine if the **** wins though :eek:. Doesn't bear thinking about. I think I'd seriously have to move home.

I'd be seriously surprised. Labour is by far the most popular party in London and had some of their best election results ever there last year. The Tories only have the mayoralty because of Boris' personal popularity compared to Livingstone, once he's gone they'll have no chance even against a solid-but-unspectacular Labourite like Tessa Jowell or Sadiq Khan, both touted for the nomination. They'll have even less of a chance should they pick Judas.

That being said there is the potential for some upset because Labour's going for a new US-style open primary, where anyone willing to pay a £3 admin fee can vote for their candidate even if they're not a member. If that results in Abbot or Lammy a moderate Tory might have a hope.
 

AW?

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Does anybody, black, white, zebra striped, whoever... actually take this clown seriously on anything any more?
 

Rout-Ledge

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Diversity is a great thing.
But no one, not Sol or anyone deserves to be voted into to any form of government based on their colour. If his main argument for running is to get the "black vote", then that is damning indictment of our education and political system (which I suppose we know is ballsed).

I guess the idea is that black people make up so much of London's population and yet they're woefully underrepresented in politics. Therefore I don't think it's particularly awful that a black candidate would attract black voters.

British politics has been a white man's game for centuries. We can't moan about how unfair it is that black men would dare mention the colour of his skin as a reason black people may feel he has their interests at heart closer than Boris Johnson.

Obviously Sol Campbell is an awful **** and shouldn't be anywhere near politics. But that's a different matter.
 

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Mullers

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Sol Campbell or Diane Abbott for Mayor of London...is this all part of some plan to make every other city in the UK a bit more desirable to live in?
Diane Abbott any day of the week even if I didn't follow football I could never vote for a millionaire complaining about having to pay £3000 tax on a 2 million pound house.
 

LSUY

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Diane Abbott any day of the week even if I didn't follow football I could never vote for a millionaire complaining about having to pay £3000 tax on a 2 million pound house.

Diane Abbott is opposed to the mansion tax and often likes to use the race card just like Sol. And let's not forget her hypocrisy towards schooling. She criticised Blair for sending his son to a public school because Labour are meant to stand for equality and when Harriet Harman sent her son to a grammar school Abbott said "She made the Labour Party look as if we do one thing and say another." Then she went and sent her own son to a public school and told her ex husband to keep quiet over it in the hope the press wouldn't find out. She is typical New Labour do as I say, not do as I do.
 
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