Sherwood has gone!

[Eric_s]

Difference is, people didn't call AVB tactically clueless or a dimwit, despite achieving worse results with the same squad as Sherwood.

Oh really? Perhaps reading isnt one of your strength.

 

[Bianconero]

Happens more often than you think, right about same time Sherwood was appointed AC Milan for example appointed a manager who makes Sherwood look like seasoned manager (Seedorf had zero experience on any setup, no experience on youth sides or any sides). If we're staying at Milan, then Inter previous appointment before Mazzarini had no experience on senior level, just with kids. And btw had been beaten there by side of Sherwood on NextGen 7-1. But guess Inter and AC Milan don't have our aspirations. Actually coming back to Seedorf, he has improved their league form quite drastically like Sherwood, but ironically enough we are linked to guy who was fired and was having clearly inferior results compared to rookie.

If you're talking about Stramaccioni, then remember that season was a complete disaster for Inter.
Seedorf (who is on a completely different level to Sherwood in regards to playing career, and the respect he can command) is probably going to be sacked by the end of the season.

Just because it happens often, doesn't mean that it should.

 

[Kubo]

AVB was tactically inflexible, not clueless. That being said there were some tactical gems from him like against both Manchester clubs last season. Also the argument about Sherwood doing better is such a damp squid of an argument because we don't know what AVB would have done still being in charge, he may have done worse, he may have done better, but Sherwoods results should not mask his ineptitude, we have been lucky on several occasions against poor opposition.

I will give him credit where it is due, he bought Ade back, he introduced some of the younger players and among the bullshit that spouts out of his mouth were some genuine decent things said but he literally turned into a younger, poorer version of Harry as soon as he got the job.

Now here's the funny thing. When AVB wins at Old Trafford, it is by 'tactical gems'. When Sherwood wins at Old Trafford, it is by pure luck.

Anyhow, Harry inherited an underperforming Spurs side, got the results, got the players he wanted and took us to CL the next year. Despite claims of being an Arsenal fan, being tactically inept, mouthing off to the media, etc. I personally wouldn't mind if Sherwood did the same.

 

[Kubo]

Oh really? Perhaps reading isnt one of your strength.

Personal insults instead of substance, if that rocks your boat, fine.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

Now here's the funny thing. When AVB wins at Old Trafford, it is by 'tactical gems'. When Sherwood wins at Old Trafford, it is by pure luck.

Anyhow, Harry inherited an underperforming Spurs side, got the results, got the players he wanted and took us to CL the next year. Despite claims of being an Arsenal fan, being tactically inept, mouthing off to the media, etc. I personally wouldn't mind if Sherwood did the same.

Not really, united lost 3 games at home last season, this season they have lost six and drawn many more, so the level was different last year. That being said, the first half against united was tactically very good, suck them in and hit them quickly, the second half was lucky as we held on. Also i don't think i mentioned anything about Sherwood's win at old trafford being lucky, i said that we have been lucky against the poor teams, where our quality has dragged us through.

Harry inherited a squad that was under performing you are right, and did a good job that you cannot doubt, but among all the "Run about a bit" stuff Harry and his team had some tactical knowledge about them, yes he went 4-4-2 at times but he also played different formations and had setups against teams he just liked to get rolled over and have his belly tickled by the big boys in the main because it was easy. For me, i still fee he under performed in his second season with the squad he had but that's a different debate all together.

If you want Tim Sherwood, good luck to you, if you, like he does believe this a simple game where you can chance your way through formations, allow teams of any quality to waltz straight through you and expect to challenge at the higher regions of the league get ready for a disappointing season, but it will be ok, we will score some more goals. FML

 

[Kubo]

Not really, united lost 3 games at home last season, this season they have lost six and drawn many more, so the level was different last year. That being said, the first half against united was tactically very good, suck them in and hit them quickly, the second half was lucky as we held on. Also i don't think i mentioned anything about Sherwood's win at old trafford being lucky, i said that we have been lucky against the poor teams, where our quality has dragged us through.

Harry inherited a squad that was under performing you are right, and did a good job that you cannot doubt, but among all the "Run about a bit" stuff Harry and his team had some tactical knowledge about them, yes he went 4-4-2 at times but he also played different formations and had setups against teams he just liked to get rolled over and have his belly tickled by the big boys in the main because it was easy. For me, i still fee he under performed in his second season with the squad he had but that's a different debate all together.

If you want Tim Sherwood, good luck to you, if you, like he does believe this a simple game where you can chance your way through formations, allow teams of any quality to waltz straight through you and expect to challenge at the higher regions of the league get ready for a disappointing season, but it will be ok, we will score some more goals. FML

If Utd are much worse off this season, which I don't dispute, why didn't we beat them at home?

Alright, you didn't specifically call the victory at Old Trafford lucky, but the general consensus on this forum is that Sherwood wins matches by luck, fluke, and just randomness.

Nope, that's not what I believe about football. I don't think that's Sherwood's view either. I honestly believe the constant swapping and changing is about Sherwood trying to find the right combination from a rushed together squad, while juggling cup matches and ever present injury problems.

If Sherwood were free to sign his players this summer, shape the squad to his liking, and then keep on with all this shuffling and reshuffling I'd gladly join the choir. But we're nowhere there yet.

 

[TheGreenLily]

If Utd are much worse off this season, which I don't dispute, why didn't we beat them at home?

Alright, you didn't specifically call the victory at Old Trafford lucky, but the general consensus on this forum is that Sherwood wins matches by luck, fluke, and just randomness.

Nope, that's not what I believe about football. I don't think that's Sherwood's view either. I honestly believe the constant swapping and changing is about Sherwood trying to find the right combination from a rushed together squad, while juggling cup matches and ever present injury problems.

If Sherwood were free to sign his players this summer, shape the squad to his liking, and then keep on with all this shuffling and reshuffling I'd gladly join the choir. But we're nowhere there yet.

Soldado ---------- Lamela
Eriksen

Chadli ------------------ Paulinho
Sandro

Rose ----- Vert ----- Kaboul ----- Walker

Lloris​

Does look rushed to me

 

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Soldado ---------- Lamela
Eriksen

Chadli ------------------ Paulinho
Sandro

Rose ----- Vert ----- Kaboul ----- Walker

Lloris​

Does look rushed to me

I'd play Fryers over Rose but the jist of the post is correct. Anyone saying we do not have a good or balanced squad is quite frankly talking b****cks. Yes we have areas to improve, everyone does (Barca need a better GK and CB, Madrid need a better CF, so on and so forth), but we have plenty of options to utilise and more to the point those options are a match for anything above us. Our problem has been our poor utilisation of those assets. Look at what Pulis has done at Palace, those players were good enough to stay up they just needed to be moulded into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. We unfortunately are a group of individuals winning thanks to ability of individuals rather than as a team.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

If Utd are much worse off this season, which I don't dispute, why didn't we beat them at home?

Alright, you didn't specifically call the victory at Old Trafford lucky, but the general consensus on this forum is that Sherwood wins matches by luck, fluke, and just randomness.

Nope, that's not what I believe about football. I don't think that's Sherwood's view either. I honestly believe the constant swapping and changing is about Sherwood trying to find the right combination from a rushed together squad, while juggling cup matches and ever present injury problems.

If Sherwood were free to sign his players this summer, shape the squad to his liking, and then keep on with all this shuffling and reshuffling I'd gladly join the choir. But we're nowhere there yet.

"I am not trying to be Harry Redknapp but it is a simple game. If you can’t pass the ball to your own team-mates then you have a serious problem because you are going to have to keep on defending.”

You are backing the wrong horse then because he believes that. He has had months to work on something, the only thing that's conclusive is we have no identity, no setup and the performances are equally as dire as those under AVB in the main, bar a few exceptions.

The chopping and changing is because he has no clue what he is doing, cemented for me by the clueless notion that coming back against Southampton at home, that we could somehow use the same paper weight midfield, away against a free scoring Liverpool and we know how that one turned out.

If he is left in position, he will quickly decimate the squad, some of the quality players we have amassed will leave or simply not play for him because on the nonsense that comes out of his mouth and the lack of tactically anything will be apparent even against weaker teams.

He has already stated his preference, with league experience being the weighted factor over quality, he is a dinosaur in his respective views which is crazy from someone so young. I have said it before, the guy is a chancer.

 

[knilly]

Difference is, people didn't call AVB tactically clueless or a dimwit, despite achieving worse results with the same squad as Sherwood.

That's because he used words like immense, dimension, negative and spiral. And mostly because he spoke with a gruff voice and a Portuguese accent. Wasn't there a stat that we had not played a successful through ball in 3 months as oppositions defences were pushed back too far. Is that not tactically clueless also?

 

[Hazardousman]

If we take the same teams that both AVB and Tim have played this season you would have AVB on 24PTS and Sherwood on 25PTS with one of the points under AVB coming against Chelsea, Tim has got no points from teams in the top four.

Now if Sherwood manages to get anything less than 3 points from our remaining games against West Ham and Villa that would mean, against the same teams, AVB would have a better record.

If he wins both that would put him on 32PTS and AVB on 27PTS against the same teams....

That is a telling stat considering how bad we were under AVB and for all the goals we are scoring under Sherwood now we are conceding just as many.

My overall point is this, some people want Tim to stay based on the results he has achieved so far but surely if we are going to appoint a manager he would need to be better than just 5PTS over our previous manager and show some sort of improvement against teams above us?

Tim, in my opinion, is out of his depth and we could do a lot better, when you add in his media personality and his unprofessional behaviour in general also his alienation of particular squad members (the same thing he attacked our previous manager for) and also his refusal to ever take blame for poor results, instead, always trying to blame others for his own flaws and his numerous contradictions about many subjects, then you cannot deny we could do better, it is, in my opinion, obvious.

AVB got sacked for similar results and if we were to take his cup record into account, better results, I admit AVB was nowhere near good enough with this squad of players, so why is Tim? Because we score a few more goals and play the "Spurs way" and he is "Honest" (which is the biggest fallacy of them all I am afraid, history and recent contradictions prove otherwise)

We need a manager that will IMPROVE us, MAXIMIZE this squads potential and CHANGE our mentality as a club into a winning one.

I, for one, cannot see Sherwood doing that.

Just my thoughts.

 

[TheGreenLily]

That's because he used words like immense, dimension, negative and spiral. And mostly because he spoke with a gruff voice and a Portuguese accent. Wasn't there a stat that we had not played a successful through ball in 3 months as oppositions defences were pushed back too far. Is that not tactically clueless also?

Yeah, AVB didn't know what he was doing

 

[Metalhead]

Well, except the seemingly bad behavior and stupid quotes.

This is it, I think that the person who made the comparison might have been misunderstood.

 

[Kubo]

That's because he used words like immense, dimension, negative and spiral. And mostly because he spoke with a gruff voice and a Portuguese accent. Wasn't there a stat that we had not played a successful through ball in 3 months as oppositions defences were pushed back too far. Is that not tactically clueless also?

Come to think of it, we basically never ran offside during AVB, mostly cause there was no space to run into. Brilliant.

 

[Breezer]

You are backing the wrong horse then because he believes that. He has had months to work on something, the only thing that's conclusive is we have no identity, no setup and the performances are equally as dire as those under AVB in the main, bar a few exceptions.

The chopping and changing is because he has no clue what he is doing, cemented for me by the clueless notion that coming back against Southampton at home, that we could somehow use the same paper weight midfield, away against a free scoring Liverpool and we know how that one turned out.

If he is left in position, he will quickly decimate the squad, some of the quality players we have amassed will leave or simply not play for him because on the nonsense that comes out of his mouth and the lack of tactically anything will be apparent even against weaker teams.

He has already stated his preference, with league experience being the weighted factor over quality, he is a dinosaur in his respective views which is crazy from someone so young. I have said it before, the guy is a chancer.

Only Timothy would go to Anfield and play 4-4-2 with Bentaleb and Sig in the middle.

 

[Nebby]

It's a theory which I pieced together through reviewing multiple reports, sources and most importantly, the outcome. In other words, like the theory of gravity, it's an attempt at an explanation of the irrefutable observable effects.

In other words, complete and utter bollocks.

 

[ERO]

If they award manager of the month for points per game, Sherwood is on for the award with our 3-1-0. If not, it will probably go to Palace and Pulis with 4-0-1 though.

The irony would be amazing if he got manager of the month in the middle of all the critisism he's under.

 

[Bobbins]

Wasn't there a stat that we had not played a successful through ball in 3 months as oppositions defences were pushed back too far. Is that not tactically clueless also?

Presumably that was only league if true, since Holtby got about 5 assists for Defoe in a handful of EL games purely by playing little through-balls into him.

I'm so fed up of this manager crap. I don't see how it can be so difficult to find a guy who simply ticks the following boxes:

- Has at least a general plan of how he wants to play, but can be flexible when needed
- Is willing to use all the players in the squad when circumstances allow it
- Can set up a team to make the most of his players' strengths, not handicap them in a system which doesn't suit the players
- Doesn't personally fall out with random players and mug himself off by freezing them out of the team
- Doesn't pointlessly loan out players for no apparent reason
- Is actually willing to listen to others and isn't a stubborn prick
- Doesn't talk shit about his players in public
- Actually watches games and can see really obvious stuff like the need for Lennon to be benched (which I think is one thing ALL of us can agree on)

Aren't all these things just pretty normal things which you'd expect any parks-level manager to be capable of? Why do we find it so hard to find anyone who can do this?

 

[Breezer]

Point is, it's clear Sherwood doesn't rate much of the squad and I tend to agree with him. The thing is if you look at the performances of 90% of players this season then it's really difficult to make a case that they're even close to good enough for the top 4. People keep trying to convince me that we have a great squad but I've seen nearly every game and been to many and I'm struggling to see what evidence there is to support an argument that we don't need a minimum of five first team players in the summer to even think about top 4.

Performances have been poor. But player for player do you think Everton and Liverpool have a better squad than Spurs?

Before you answer that question just imagine the football we'd be playing, if our current crop of players were managed by Rodgers or Martinez.

 

[nedley]

Only Timothy would go to Anfield and play 4-4-2 with Bentaleb and Sig in the middle.

There's a reason for this.

Apparently.

Ask EddieB.