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He's not Juve's best player. He just isn't right now. He was a great player and still is. I have no idea what people say on twitter he is a phenomenal player, and was the second-best player in the world for the last 10-15 years. However, he isn't the same player he was for Real Madrid. It's not about favouritism to say that. Dybala won the series A award last season, on merit, and Ronaldo is still effective, and sometimes game-changing but not an indispensable player.Ronaldo is obscenely underrated because of a poor 6 months in late 2019. All the kids on Twitter love to jump on a bandwagon and make out he’s finished - the bloke got 41 goals in 39 games for Juventus in 2020. Maybe you don’t like him, but let’s not pretend he’s not a phenomenal player. The same applies to Ramos. Clearly as all-round players both have dipped from their prime due to age, but they’re both still incredible players. If there was even a chance of Spurs getting Ramos (which is very unlikely) we should do all we can to make it happen.
Both Messi and Ronaldo often win awards out of hype and not always because they were actually the best players that year. And no offence to the goal stat, but 16 penalties combined in series A this season and the last do inflate the figures somewhat, and frankly, Ronaldo's game these days is all about scoring goals, and he's very good at it. In many ways he is more like a perfect mechanical football being than a human. This is nothing about not liking him, I don't personally know him, I honestly don't care about the media crap narratives about footballers. It's just I don't think he is a top 3 player, and for that matter, I think that applies to Messi too. Both are still top 10, both are also the best players of their generation.
Ramos is a different thing entirely. Ramos' form has been a regular subject of conversation in Spain, for what it's worth when the criticism does come at him he tends to go on a good run of form. But, look, he even splits opinion in Madrid these days. If you go onto the Spanish Madrid forums most accept that if he doesn't renew so be it. He's still a good player, but if we were to get him (we wont) he won't be the player some might think we'd be getting.
He still would be decent, though his error proneness and hot-headedness (off the field as well as on it) might land him in a spot of bother, it wouldn't be the first time Mourinho has dropped him for these things (which is part of the reason it won't happen, if inside sources are true Ramos campaigned for the dismissal of Mourinho) but I think his mentality, which is phenomenal, and ability could be useful. I'm not against the signing at all, though I don't believe it will happen.
But this isn't 2012 Ramos, it's not even close, and while he remains a very good player, with his age, he is likely to decline, quite rapidly, sooner rather than later, the PL, in particular, isn't a particularly forgiving league for that (In Spain he's marking players like soldado and Iago Aspas, instead of the likes of Antonio) I could see it go south very quickly. What I would think more likely, however, is something like Thiago Silva, a much more reliable player than Ramos, though maybe lacking some of Ramos' mentality, and only a year older and the jury is still out, but he has had a few poor games but also been good at moments. What is clear though is that this Thiago Silva is a shadow of his former self and you can tell that he's not going to be able to be at that level for too much longer.