Ratings vs West Ham

[THFCSPURS19]

Bollocks.

Go and watch the sequence again. It starts on 41min20s. Kane plays Rose in behind the defence, in the box and he has time and space, none of the other players are remotely close to the area he whacks it into, at no point, despite having time and space does he lift his head and look where anyone is, and the pace he whacks it, even if someone was close it's highly unlikely they'd get to it.

You can give credit to Rose for his engine and willingness to get forward, and occasionally he will deliver something vaguely close to productive, but his end product is more often than not fucking atrocious, as it was then.

Wasn't it a Rose cross that also created the chance for Dier?

 

[lennon4england]

was it not also rose's excellent cross that dier nearly scored from? think people have unrealistic expectations as to how many crosses should meet their target in a packed penalty area and any that don't directly result in a goal seem to be forgotten.

Also victim of us watching and analysing every minute of every spurs game and seeing our players making mistakes or being wasteful.

I doubt anyone in here watches every moment of other teams to watch players of other team's wastefulness - we only see highlights which is generally of good things.

 

[double0]

We won and in all honesty it was deserved. It wasn't a polished performance from us, Wet Spam played a tactical game imo parked the bus and waited for mistakes on the counter.

Lloris 6.5. Has to do better with distribution

Walker 6.5. Sloppy at times great at other times going forward second half.

Dier 8. Classy player, defended well, distribution varied brilliantly.

Vertonghen 7. Hmm at times otherwise ok.

Rose 6.5. Ok

Wanyama 7. Cut a lot of potential moves at source.

Winks 8. Scored on he's debut! Good on the ball with many forward passes.

Dembele 6. Not the best of games, still awaiting the Dembele of last season.

Eriksen 5.5. Very sloppy with simple passes to teammates really off form improved 2nd half.

Janssen 5.5 Needs a goal from open play quickly. It's crazy for strikers, he worked just as hard as Kane but all in the wrong arears I thought.

Kane 8. Scored two goals and won us the game, such a clever player. Kane puts himself in the right areas unlike Janssen whos still adjusting to be fair, Underrated (Kane) we lose this game without Kane.

Son. 8 Changed the game with direct running behind wet Spam.

Alli 7. Ok

Pochettinho changed the system again so please can people just stop with the notion he is unflixible. Positive substitution to get us on the front foot


How I love beating Spams.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Wasn't it a Rose cross that also created the chance for Dier?

So do you agree with my point that he wasted the earlier opportunity with a shit ball ?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

So do you agree with my point that he wasted the earlier opportunity with a shit ball ?

No, I just couldn't be bothered to argue over something so minor. In my eyes, he produced a good cross on 3 occasions, constituting a good attacking game for a full-back.

 

[dannythomas]

You're not really adding anything to the argument here DT. I said I'd start him already. I know what he brings, just can't ignore the whole oeuvre is all.

Not sure I was actually arguing with you, I know you said you would start him. But I think you were a little harsh talking about his earlier play that had led to nothing. That often goes with the territory for players who have the balls to run at defenders and they lose the ball in the final third. In the end though they are more likely to cause problems at the sharp end and induce errors from defenders as Son did for both goals.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Not sure I was actually arguing with you, I know you said you would start him. But I think you were a little harsh talking about his earlier play that had led to nothing. That often goes with the territory for players who have the balls to run at defenders and they lose the ball in the final third. In the end though they are more likely to cause problems at the sharp end and induce errors from defenders as Son did for both goals.

Hmmm..I think that's one way of looking at it, another would be that we can't seem to create quality chances, and didn't yesterday (I mean a proper deliberate intentional quality chance - not a decent cross - of which there was only one of those I remember) and one reason for that is all the fucking carelessness that goes on, promising situations that get pissed away time after time before something of tangible quality actually happens.

I can barely remember Janssen missing a decent chance in all the games he's played, because he's barely had one, the poor sod. Even Kane's yesterday was heading straight for the defender until Randolph kindly diverted it to Kane. So yes, marks for "effort" by Son, but lets not pretend it was a fucking creative epiphany. And I don't believe you excuse all the careless wastage just because once in a while something good happens. It's still careless bloody wastage. West Ham nearly broke and killed us off a couple of times because of it.

 

[dannythomas]

Hmmm..I think that's one way of looking at it, another would be that we can't seem to create quality chances, and didn't yesterday (I mean a proper deliberate intentional quality chance - not a decent cross - of which there was only one of those I remember) and one reason for that is all the fucking carelessness that goes on, promising situations that get pissed away time after time before something of tangible quality actually happens.

I can barely remember Janssen missing a decent chance in all the games he's played, because he's barely had one, the poor sod. Even Kane's yesterday was heading straight for the defender until Randolph kindly diverted it to Kane. So yes, marks for "effort" by Son, but lets not pretend it was a fucking creative epiphany. And I don't believe you excuse all the careless wastage just because once in a while something good happens. It's still careless bloody wastage. West Ham nearly broke and killed us off a couple of times because of it.

Well, let's put it this way. If Kane missed 5 sitters but then scores his next 3 because of defensive errors I think we'd forgive him his earlier profligacy . Likewise I forgive Son his earlier wastefulness because basically he won us the game aided and abetted by poor defending.

 

[guiltyparty]

I remember reading an interview with Cech something like two years ago where he was telling how he does lots of his own stats on penalty takers, having a video collection etc. He mentioned some GKs don't do this at all and leave it purely on instinct and mentioned Hugo being one of them.

In his career, Lloris has faced 59 penalties and conceded 51. For Spurs, he's faced 19 and conceded 15. How he compares to EPL's best:

Penalty record: All-time career
Keeper - faced/saved

Karius - 23/8 (35%)
De Gea - 36/11 (31%)
Heaton - 29/9 (31%)
Hart - 45/13 (29%)
Forster - 24/7 (29%)
Bravo - 36/10 (28%)
Gomes - 48/13 (27%)
Cech - 62/16 (26%)
Boruc - 54/14 (26%)
Schmeichel - 58/14 (24%)
Mignolet - 37/9 (24%)
Vorm - 35/8 (23%)
Courtois - 24/5 (21%)
Stekelenburg - 47/9 (19%)
Foster - 44/8 (18%)
Lloris - 59/8 (14%)

Penalty record: Current team only

Bravo - 1/1 (100%)
Stekelenburg - 3/2 (67%)
Boruc - 9/4 (44%)
Gomes - 16/6 (38%)
Hart (City): 25/8 (32%)
Mignolet - 16/5 (31%)
Heaton - 14/4 (29%)
Schmeichel - 35/9 (26%)
De Gea - 20/5 (25%)
Lloris - 19/4 (21%)
Foster - 25/5 (20%)
Courtois - 5/1 (20%)
Vorm - 2/0 (0%)
Forster - 4/0 (0%)
Cech - 5/0 (0%)
Karius - 0/0 (N/A)

EDIT: As @Blake Griffin later points out, these are actually the number of missed penalties against these keepers, including saves, posts and random air shots, rather than just saves. Blame Transfermarkt for their shitty wording.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Not sure if this guys vids have been posted on here before but they're pretty funny, some might not get all the humour though.

 

[HildoSpur]

Rose, Walker, Eriksen and Dembele all had poor games on Saturday - Eriksen in particular had a stinker and sadly is in an extended run of poor form.

The positives though were in Winks obviously with a superb full debut and Kane getting back to match fitness and back scoring.

Janssen wasn't great but he was at least involved in the goal - needs to improve his movement though imo - jury still out a bit on him but he is young and we might not see the best of him till next season.

Our mentality is very strong though, this was a great example of it and bodes very well for the future - Poch has instilled a belief into the players and they do not give up, fighting right to the end to get a result and fortunately it payed off for us brilliantly.

If we can get a result against Chelsea next week and also win in Monaco mid-week then I'd like to think that those folk who still remain unconvinced by Poch and this team will finally relax a bit. When I read folk comparing Poch to AVB I honestly want to bash my head off a wall.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Great debut by Winks, Kane showing what we have missed but voted for Son purely because in getting behind the opposition defence he did what others had failed to do all game so creating the two last goals

 

[double0]

Great debut by Winks, Kane showing what we have missed but voted for Son purely because in getting behind the opposition defence he did what others had failed to do all game so creating the two last goals

That Kane scored, being in the right position.

You have to give it to the match winner.

 

[EQP]

In his career, Lloris has faced 59 penalties and saved 8. For Spurs, he's faced 19 and saved 4. How he compares to EPL's best:

Penalty record: All-time career

Karius - 23/8 (35%)
De Gea - 36/11 (31%)
Heaton - 29/9 (31%)
Hart - 45/13 (29%)
Forster - 24/7 (29%)
Bravo - 36/10 (28%)
Gomes - 48/13 (27%)
Cech - 62/16 (26%)
Boruc - 54/14 (26%)
Schmeichel - 58/14 (24%)
Mignolet - 37/9 (24%)
Vorm - 35/8 (23%)
Courtois - 24/5 (21%)
Stekelenburg - 47/9 (19%)
Foster - 44/8 (18%)
Lloris - 59/8 (14%)

I will never forget his penalty save to foul to conceding a penalty sequence long as I live.

 

[hughy]

Just out of interest, does anyone remember the four that Lloris has saved? I can't remember any of the top of my head...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just out of interest, does anyone remember the four that Lloris has saved? I can't remember any of the top of my head...

I was thinking the same (was also thinking the same when they got their pen "I can't remember Lloris saving one) and like @am_yisrael_chai I listened to the commentator saying "and Lanzini has put his last 4 to the keepers right, and then wondered why the fuck Lloris dived left.

 

[Disconosebleed]

You have to give it to the match winner.

Why? What if Son had set those two goals up by running the length of the pitch before squaring to Kane? I'm not criticising Kane at all, and of course you have to make the right run to score the first and have the bottle to score the second, but it was an open goal and a penalty. Scoring those two is the bare minimum you would expect from him, or any decent striker, whereas Son created the two goals from very little.

Put it this way - if Kane had missed either of his goals, we'd be criticising him. If Son hadn't managed to get the ball across for the first, or win the penalty for the second, we wouldn't be criticising him because it was more difficult.

 

[double0]

Why? What if Son had set those two goals up by running the length of the pitch before squaring to Kane? I'm not criticising Kane at all, and of course you have to make the right run to score the first and have the bottle to score the second, but it was an open goal and a penalty. Scoring those two is the bare minimum you would expect from him, or any decent striker, whereas Son created the two goals from very little.

Put it this way - if Kane had missed either of his goals, we'd be criticising him. If Son hadn't managed to get the ball across for the first, or win the penalty for the second, we wouldn't be criticising him because it was more difficult.

But Son didn't run the length of the pitch to square it to Kane. Son's cross wasn't a direct assist the keeper got a hand to it, Kane anticipated adjusted and scored, then had the bottle in the 90th min to win us the game with a vital pen.

Kane didn't miss he won us the game.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Just out of interest, does anyone remember the four that Lloris has saved? I can't remember any of the top of my head...

he's only saved two - aguero at the etihad in 14/15 and sidwell at the lane in 13/14. noble and puncheon missed pens against us with hugo in goal but he didn't save them.

 

[ultimateloner]

We were lucky to win because we didn't get enough shots on goal.
Janssen pen was the right shout by the ref...need to cut that out.