Ratings v WB

[trevo]

CC 6.0 As good as he'll get I think

Corluka 4.5 Looks stoned

Kaboul 8.0 He's seizing every opportunity to impress and I'm glad for that

King 7.5 is king

BAE 6.0 A great mixture of brilliance and completer idiocy, Never a dull moment.

Lennon 4.5 I think he needs to come off the bench a few times to see if he really wants it

Hudd 6.5 Solid and Stolid

Jenas 8.0 When did we sign this player?

Bale 7.5 Always good but they sussed him out after 30 mins

VDV 7 Looks a promising signing, Good awareness

Crouch 7.5 You can't fault him really, he scored and ploughs a pretty lonely furrow up front. After VDV went off he must have felt like writing a postcard to the midfield 'Wish you were here too!'

Keane 4.5 unforunately showed why we snapped up VDV. He's fine tuned the art of running into positions where no one will ever find him. Doesn't point and shout as much now though but I wouldn't be surprised if he ever ran into the Park Lane and shouted 'On me head!'

Palacios 6.5 Hit the ball forward to player i the same coloured shirt on a few occasions. definite improvement.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

I don't get how people are giving Palacios (on for 15 minutes or whatever) a higher mark for what he did than what Huddlestone did all game!!!! Really odd.

 

[AW?]

I nearly went for Kaboul as i thought he did well. Had to go for Van Der Vaart still though. The game changed when he went off.

 

[sharky127]

BAE really has his fans and enemies on here. Personally i'm a big advocate of his game but he was poor tonight. Way to many misplaced passes in the 2nd half. He needs to learn to look up and play the ball back inside sometimes rather than continually looking to play it down the line to Bale or pump it up into Crouch.

He seems to be either very good or very poor, but he does have everything he needs to become a top LB, just needs to work on his consistency.

Other than that Kaboul was excellent tonight, a couple of stray balls here and there but otherwise very imposing. VDV was outstanding in the first half. I really can't remember the last time we had a player that wanted the ball all the time. He made us tick and we fell away badly once he went off!

Bale was great, a constant threat, great delivery and always available as an outlet. Jenas quietly went about his business and was a good link between the defense and attadk. Had a couple of very important interceptions but would still like to see him drive forwards with the ball like we know he is capable of.

I'm getting concerned about Lennon now, he looks a shadow of his former self and we need him to get back to somewhere approaching his best if we are to do well this season. He has to be the only player i've ever seen dwarfed by his mascot

Satisfied though now slightly disappointed with 2-2 but would have gladly taken that before the start of the game.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Cudicini 6

Corluka 4
Kaboul 8
King 8
Ekotto 5

Lennon 4
Jenas 8
Hudd 7
Bale 9

VDV 8

Crouch 7

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Keane 4
Palacios 6

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think you will find that it was a combination of things that led to us dropping deeper in the second half.

- VDV going off so early in the second half, that totally affected the effectivess of the system. Although Keane ran the channels and made some clever runs he didn't have anywhere near the same impact as VDV did on the game and our ability to keep hold of the ball further up the pitch suffered.

- The timing of their goal was crucial, not to mention they were going to naturally improve at some point.

You cant just blame Huddlestone for that.

You seem more concerned about proving yourself right more than anything else. Huddlestone will be starting on Saturday and will continue to be a main stay in the side all season, unless he gets injured or really slips into decline of course. Whilst not having a fantastic game tonight he still contributed greatly in the first half. To grossly simplfy that it was his 'shrinking' in the game what turned it is pretty ridiculous. The mental aspect of the game and momentum that comes with it is often underestimated. Bremen had a lift and we got cagey, VDV going off certainly didn't help our cause.

Jenas played very well tonight and just maybe being out of the side for an extended period of time has brought about a new hunger, perhaps he is more suited to European games or a 5 man midfield. But experience should tell you not to take that for granted, well maybe not you BC, but most Spurs fans - but long may it continue becuase I really enjoyed his performance tonight. If he performed close to that level every week maybe opinon wouldn't be so polarised.

I notice you didn't remark on Palacios giving the ball away at the death that could of cost us. Yes he shored up the right side and put a peach of ball through to Crouch, but again he could of cost us with slopping passing.

Selective as ever to support your own theories. Now dont respond in a hot headed way, go and have a :beer:before you touch that keyboard!

Why should I pick out Palacios giving the ball away and not Huddlestone, Jenas, VDV, Lennon, Corluka, Ekotto, Bale or any of the players that gave the ball away some in much worse situations. I didn't mention it because I didn't mention anyones. None of them were particularly dangerous or played a part in our (or any individual) overall performance which is what concerned me more.

How come your desire for non selectiveness didn't drive you to list everyone else's misplaced passes as well ?

And I didn't just blame Huddlestone. Stop being so selective in your appraisal of my posts.

 

[stevenqoz]

Cudicini 6.5
Corluka 5.5
Kaboul 7.5
King 7
BAE 6
Lennon 5
Huddlestone 6.5
Jenas 7
VDV 7
Bale 7.5
Crouch 6.5
Keane 6
Palacios 6

 

[EastLondonYid]

I've been calling for jj and kaboul to start( see team v werder page 1)

and i have been calling for corluka to be dropped all week.

well jj and kaboul were our 2 outstanding players.
corluka was shocking..AGAIN...

carlo...suspect for both goals.especially 2nd.

king..good enough...are we suprised?

Kaboul..showed how much potential this fella has...superb.

corluka..couldn't have played much worse... time for bench long overdue.

BAE..fucked up for their goal, but wasn't bad.

bale was awsome..at times unplayable.

vdv class..clever player, makes runs and vital in a 4-5-1.

hudd..did his job, kept us pushing...

azza..needs a break...i'm a big fan, but looks nothing like the player he is.

j j ..was superb, what a difference when we keep the ball.should be used more.

crouch..played really well , shame he didn't win it at end,only fuck-up

keane...ran around, hard working.....isn't enough though is it?

wilson...wasn't bad when he came on to be fair.

gutted to throw away 2 goal lead, but was convinced they were gonna get a 3rd,
so sort of releived at final whistle,but we should have been out of sight.

hopefully we will learn from our mistakes,and win games we are cruising.

 

[Damian99]

Kaboul 7.5 - A really good performance all in all. I was really fucked off with Ramos’s treatment of him and was glad to get him back. He’s like a quicker more comfortable on the ball, Dawson. Something for everyone eh ? Damien ?

:rofl:

Well the first 43 minutes showed exactly what you know about football BC, absolutely "fuck all".

Kaboul should have closed the shot down for the second goal and he never and he was struggling badly later also when their guy shot over the bar from about 8 yards, when he really should have scored.

More comfortable on the ball at best but he IS NOT a better defender than Dawson and like i told you before this game about Huddlestone starting, so will Dawson once he's fit.

But keep dreamin.

 

[Damian99]

Seriously, if you took Huddlestone out of that side put Modric in it how much better would it be. Even better put Modric right and Palacios and Jenas as the central pair and you have everything and they can all move quickly and for 90 minutes.

You need some form of help BC, really you do.

Could you please explain the performance away at YB with this great Wilson fella and this dummy Huddlestone not playing??

Oh yeh and this "quarterback" fella we have, well this ball form wilson(the one you're wanking over) who was in the box when Crouch shot wide?

So he must still get forward even late in the game then.


:stupid:

 

[Michey]

Cudicini 6

Corluka 3
Kaboul 7
King 7
Ekotto 6.5

Lennon 3
Jenas 7
Hudd 7
Bale 7.5

VDV 7.5 (motm)

Crouch 6.5

SUBS:
Keane 6
Palacios 6


Our right side was extremely poor yesterday....both in attack and defence. It was a wonder that we didn't do anything about it really.

About 2-2...........i'm quite content even though three points started to look believeable until WB scored their first. Anyway, 2-2 away against Bremen is a good result.

 

[Garm]

Cudicini 6

Corluka 3
Kaboul 7
King 7
Ekotto 6.5

Lennon 3
Jenas 7
Hudd 7
Bale 7.5

VDV 7.5 (motm)

Crouch 6.5

SUBS:
Keane 6
Palacios 6


Our right side was extremely poor yesterday....both in attack and defence. It was a wonder that we didn't do anything about it really.

About 2-2...........i'm quite content even though three points started to look believeable until WB scored their first. Anyway, 2-2 away against Bremen is a good result.

This

 

[DarT]

Ratings:

Cudicini 6 - Did well apart from the 2 goals, where he could have done better

Corluka 5 - Bad day at the office, looked slow, didnt really support attack well, looked continually exposed.

Kaboul 8 - A really good performance all in all. Looked assured, quick in mind and feet, and very comfortable on the ball.

King 7 - Relatively good performance for Leds, and i suspect his presence brought the best out of Kaboul.

Ekotto 6 - Relatively decent perfromance, but should clearly have done better for 1st goal.

Lennon 4 - Worked hard enough off the ball, but with the ball was anonymous, rightly subbed, would prefer alternative to him on his current form.

Huddlestone 6 - Controlled midfield in 1st half, lost the battle in the 2nd.

Jenas 7 - Good performance from JJ, but still he annoys as he is capable of actually being the star for us and he doesn't, happy with the perfromance, but he aint no modric.

Bale 8 - Fantastic performance again from Bale, energy, endeavour and class, tired a little in the 2nd half, but had a second wind late on when we needed it. Simply the best player in our team last night.

VDV 7 - Really lively, got into the game well, fantastic touch (most of the time) and added to a great 1st half performance. Clearly off the pace in the 2nd half and was probably one of the reasons that WB got a foothold in the game. Needs to improve fitness quickly.

Crouch 7 - Works hard throughout games, and resulted in 1st goal and scored 2nd, but for me in the system we played last night he doesn't hold the ball enough for it to work, and doesnt have the pace.

Keane 5 - Shame to see what he has become, because he added little to the team, wasn't much better than a knackered VDV, should have been moved on in the window, because i suspect his value will plunge over the next 6 months.

Palacios 6 - Improved the right side no end when he came on, obviously not much of an attacking threat (bar couple of good through balls), but defensively was massive improvement.

 

[kremlyn]

MOTM - Frings, that is what an all-round midfielder looks like.

Jenas played really well, 2nd game on the trot but that's hardly enough to say he's got over his consistency issues is it?

If you gave him MOM over Bale you must realise that you've somehow turned down a mental cul-de-sac and if you don't do a 3-point turn back to objectivity high street you're going to end your lives on the mini-roundabout of consistency debates.

In the cafes of Europe the talk of he competition so far will be the extraordinary contributions of Bale. It won't be "Ooh, Jenas had a good game".

 

[poc]

CC 6 Decent enough
Corluka 2 Awful (again!)
Kaboul 7 Very good display overshadowed King
King 6 Decent enough
BAE 7 Thought he had a good game (though I still am not a fan )
Lennon 4 Poor needs confidence back
Hudd 5 Worst game for a while imo, looked like he was running in sand
Jenas 6 Did pretty well looked tired at the end
Bale 8 oustanding as usual
VDV 8 looked a great buy
Crouch 7 had a good game on his own imo

Keane 5 gave the ball away and looks slow
Palacios 6 ok I spose

 

[Paxtonite]

CC 6

Corluka 4 Our right side with him and lennon was so weak. Kept giving ball away and easily beat by opponents.

Kaboul 8 Did excellent although got pulled out of position a few times.

King 6 didnt seem his usual assured self but did well.

BAE 6 was excellent up until he was at fault for first goal. Confidence rocked.

Lennon 3 very poor and not for the first time this season.

Hudd 6 needed to step up a gear when game was drifting. Not sure he managed it.

Jenas 7 Energy in midfield and some good passing. Best game for a long time.

Bale 6 Did well as an attacking threat once more.

VDV 7 Showed for the ball all the time and used it well. Good pressing too.

Crouch 6 Excellent goal but needs to hold ball up better, especially when we are under the cosh.

Keane 3 What is the point of Robbie Keane these days? Offered nothing when he came on.

Palacios 5 Not sure why he was on the right. Good through ball for the Crouch chance near the end.

 

[archiewasking]

Cc 6
bae 6
vc 2
yk 9
lk 7
al 2
vdv 8
jj 8
gb 7.5
th 7
pc 7

rk 6
wp 6.5

 

[sloth]

Can't be bothered today with specific ratings, I just thought our right side looked very weak both in attack and defence while our left looked the opposite.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Ratings for 1st half and second half in isolation would be Jekyll and Hyde like, so I've rated an overall average.

Cudicini - 6 - cant really be faulted for the goals, but can't be scored higher as we conceded 2.

Corluka - 5 - got caught out far too much for my liking. He was wasteful in possession and gave the ball away in advanced areas far too much.

Kaboul - 7 - I feel he (amongst others) could have done more for the second goal, however his display showed more maturity than I have seen from him at CB, and believe he could, with a run in the team start to flive up to his potential.

King - 7 - Could he be criticised for asking Ekotto to pick up the player for the first goal? Possibly. Could he be accused of backing off for their second goal? Maybe. Other than that he played well, and was evidently helping Kaboul.

Ekotto - 6.5 - Superb pass for Bale for the first, some excellent composure shown on the ball at times and good engine up the left flank. So all in all an 8/10 performance, if it wasn't for 2 things. 1, trying to be too clever clearing a ball and slicing it into touch for a dangerous thow. 2, not picking up the man in the box or making any attempt to challenge him resulting in a foot back in the door for WB.

Lennon - 5 - he needs a rest, he needs to get his pace back, he needs to run past players, he needs all of this fast. Still made a few good runs and won a number of corners, but he's a shadow of his former self. Didn't defend as much as he has done either. Rightly replaced.

Huddlestone - 6 - Dissapointed in him tbh. I thought he was very quiet for the majority of the game. He didn't do anything shockingly bad, but then he didn't have the impact I would have expected him to have had. An off day.

Jenas - 7.5 - Showed willingness to get on the ball, used possession wisely, pressed and harried the WB midfielders when in possession. Was excellent in the first half, and although quieter in the second still continued in the same vein. Excellent pass to VDV for the second goal.

VDV - 8.5 - Its not often I give a MOM performance to a player who played only 45 minutes, but it was no coincidence that everything good from the first half slowly eroded away in the second. He quite simply ran the show in the first 40 minutes, allowing us to dominate the midfield and create chances going forward. His cross for the goal was ecsquisite and some of the deft touches he showed in tight areas were trully beautiful. Important we get him back and playing. Linked better with Crouch than any striker I have seen at Tottenham.

Bale - 8 - Simply continued the red hot form. Should have been accredited with more than his 1 assist if chances had been converted. Full backs hate him. He is, on his day, simply unplayable. Even got in good position s and round the back in the second half where EB doubled (and sometimes trebled) up on him.

Crouch - 7.5 - Other than his miss, I think Crouch led the line better than I have seen him do for a long time. His hold up play was more considered than usual, linking excellently with VDV and using the ball intelligently. He still needs to work on staying on his feet, but an improvement was seen, and he should rightly start next time.

 

[tRiKS]

Kaboul had more to do in terms of recovery because he had to recover position and he constantly let Marin come inside on his right. and the Almeida chance late on was awful from him. It was his man in the first place so king cam across to cover then Kaboul decided to take it back over, actually got in front of Almeida but still let him get his shot off. If you’re gonna take control of a situation from your team mate you need to make sure you do it right. Reminds me of the Van Rapist penalty a few years ago when Jenas got involved in a similar situation King was in control of. Bug bear of mine playing is when an over eager team mate comes charging in to a situation I’m in control of, blocks me off or makes me ease off and then they fuck it up.

Is anyone actually suggesting the first goal was a king error? It was a magnificent cross that arguably the keeper can come for but positionally 1 in front and 1 behind, with hardly a body’s width between them, is completely the right thing to do. Ekotto also stood no chance within the laws of the game, he could have perhaps fouled Almedia and left it to the ref to make a decision on it, surreptitious shirt pull or eased his shoulder or backside into him as he jumped but in terms of King and BAE on a technical level that goal was not a “fault”.